was wondering if anybody out there had any pics of the new 08' TCR advanced ISP frames. Thanks in advance

Wish I did, heard their comming out in July.

There were some pictures in Road Bike Action Magazine of the TCR Advanced 0, which has SRAM Force. From what I can tell, the frame looks identical to this year. However, an interesting change is that the there will be 4 models and 3 of those models will have the ISP. I presume that only the lowest end model, most likely with Ultegra components will have a regular seatpost. I presume the other 3 models will be a Dura Ace, a SRAM Force and then likely a Dura Ace Team model.

thanks for the info

Does Giant think that the average rider wants the ISP? It might be a good thing for a pro rider, but the club racer/rider I can't see too many buying it. Maybe I am not seeing something.

I presume that the club rider spending that kind of money on a bike will spend money for a professional fitter so cutting the seat post is not a big deal. I have been riding the same exact position for 1.5 years since I got a professional fitting done.

I could not buy the ISP because I do not have money for 2 bikes at that level and I travel several times a year with my bike. In size large, I could not get the ISP into my bike box, unless I bought the really bike tri box, which is a pain to transport.

sbindra, do u have pics from the magazine. i don't subscribe to the magazine

I don't think I would ever buy an ISP because I use my bikes for 1 maybe 2 seasons and then sell them.

sbindra, do u have pics from the magazine. i don't subscribe to the magazine

Pictures from the magazine.

i am a size M 5'10" so i shouldn't have a hard time selling it. Thanks a ton for the article. i've read that ISP has no real advantages. so still undecided.

Is there any info on the full carbon trinity's have they changed the geometry to reflect the alliance geometry? are they based on the current t-mobile tt bikes?

i am a size M 5'10" so i shouldn't have a hard time selling it. Thanks a ton for the article. i've read that ISP has no real advantages. so still undecided.

I have read exactly the same thing. The weight savings is about 20 grams, which is about a tablespoon of water. The ISP may be slightly stiffer but why would I want more stiffness on my bum? I presume that ISP vs. non-ISP makes no difference or almost no difference in the stiffness of the bottom bracket area. If it makes the seatpost area stiffer, that might actually make a harsher ride without providing any benefit in terms of more efficient energy transfer (assumes that the ISP does not effect bottom bracket stiffness).

I remember reading in the first issue of Road Bike Action Magazine a review of the ISP Advanced. The final line was despite the europro panache of the ISP model, the reviewers actually preferred the non-ISP model for its ease of adjustment presumably because there was little or no trade-off in performance.

I've been riding an ISP on my Taiwanese no-name frame.
I like it, but I don't think I can the difference, actually.

Looks nice though.