View Full Version : Why the end of cheap credit spells economic disaster


ashpelham
07-27-2007, 11:08 AM
As if anyone cares what I think, I am fascinated by the economy and all things related to money and finance. What is most fascinating to me is the psychology of credit spending, margin spending. Yesterday's stock sell-off was partially triggered by high crude prices, partially aided by homebuilder woes, and finally by fear of sub-prime (as well as prime) home loan defaults.

And what this whole sordid tale tells us is that much of the economic impetus of the past 6-7 years has been driven by cheap credit and the ease of home ownership. Whereas in years gone by, one would need to save 20% before owning a home, easy credit and bad lending practices have put some credit risk individuals into homes, and given them cash back, to boot. This isn't meant as a slander against those with poor credit; quite the contrary. I think those who've struggled paying their bills in the past, including myself, need to be protected FROM THEMSELVES, by not allowing them access to huge amounts of credit that they could mis-manage.

Home-ownership is a responsibility. It's not a right, or some obligation of the government. Making money too easy to lend, making rates too low, are responsibilities of the US Federal Reserve, but lending to sub-prime borrowers at unbelievable levels is a new thing. Was this meant to continue fueling the home-building market? Or, did the credit come first, making home-building a viable demand market? I think it was the former, not the latter...

What I'm saying is the the addiction to credit is much more pervasive and terrible than the addiction to oil. While foreign oil represents a threat to national security, the addiction to credit threatens to bring down the most sacred of American institutions: the United States Family.

Like any addiction, if credit is truly to be kicked, and no longer are people and businesses extended huge lines of cheap money to blow, this economy is going to go through a very rough withdrawal stage. Home values will fall, as demand dries up. Big box retail stores and interstate-exit casual dining chains will be boarded up. Lots of unskilled labor is going to be unemployed, as they are always the first to be hit by downturns.

I'm talking 10-15% unemployment rates here, and worse possibly in rural areas without a strong job market.

The upside is that after this time of credit withdrawal, we will re-learn the importance of saving for rainy days, and we will possibly value the money we earn a bit more. We will expect good service and good products for the money we spend on them. Wal-Mart's lack of quality and service will be considered offensive.

I look forward to that day. And, no, this isn't about my 2nd Ipod video breaking down on me. :D

Mel Erickson
07-27-2007, 03:04 PM
I agree on your credit views but, while these woes will have an affect on the economy, it's not as great as you fear. The hit investment bankers will take on the home credit debacle will slow the pace of growth about 1/2 to at most 1 percentage point. This is significant but not disastrous. In other words GDP growth that would otherwise be about 3.5% will fall to 2.5-3%. This does not spell recession or deflation but is bad news and will mean the new president will be faced with a poor economy, an intractable war(s), and a surly public demanding action to make things better in a hurry. I think it's a GOP plot. Hand the White House to the Dems, watch them get bogged down and the public turn on them and take it back the next election for another long stint.:ihih:

bahueh
07-27-2007, 03:20 PM
so I don't think your "sky is falling" prediction will truly play out...
I wouldn't worry too much, the DOW jones and real estate have always, and most likely will continue, to increase with time...dont' worry too much about the short term fluctuations...

bigbill
07-27-2007, 09:14 PM
so I don't think your "sky is falling" prediction will truly play out...
I wouldn't worry too much, the DOW jones and real estate have always, and most likely will continue, to increase with time...dont' worry too much about the short term fluctuations...

I agree, the higher risk of a subprime loan is figured into the overall risk that mortgage lenders take. I don't believe that it will have a great effect on the overall market once everything settles out. It won't save the borrowers who took out ARMs to buy a bigger house than they could actually afford, but the market should survive. I bought a home back in February and the market is adjusting itself in that area now. I may have to hang onto the property longer because of that, but in the end I will fine.

Len J
07-28-2007, 05:43 PM
Where is Rydster when you need him?.....I'm sure it's a radical Islamic plot.

Len

ukiahb
08-31-2007, 05:38 PM
agree, and I'm also fascinated by this kind of stuff (and spend too much time reading about it)....FWIW there is a really good blog (not mine, or anyone I know) on these topics (and others) at http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html

the_rydster
08-31-2007, 08:40 PM
Where is Rydster when you need him?.....I'm sure it's a radical Islamic plot.

Len

No.

Economic disaster probably not....market correction maybe. One thing I know is that the 'consumer boom' in the West is unsustainable....being driven by credit....something has to give.