Just purchased an Everti Phoenix Frame and built it up with an Ultegra grouppo from my previous bike. I was a little nervous purchasing the frame sight unseen. I did read the Pez cycling review, the "Tuned by Woodie" video at roadienews.com and exhausted internet searches with comments about Everti. Every thing I learned was positive, so I decided to pull the trigger and placed an order. The frame cost $1475 + $45 S&H. I see the price has increased to $1525 at the time of this writing. It took about 8 weeks for delivery and during this period I emailed Kurt Knock (Everti owner) a couple of times and he responded quickly to my inquiries. Though it took longer than I would have wished...I was very pleased when I finally laid hands to the frame. The frame is much nicer in person than pictures on the web. The welds are very nice, clean and uniform. The overall finish exceeds my expectations and I would place it on par with Litespeed. I'm really glad I didn't buy the litespeed and to save about a grand. The build up went smooth and without any problems. My first ride was 80miles on country roads with rolling hills and I found the frame to be comfortable, stable, and stiff. FYI...I ride about 600miles/month and I'm 69" tall and 175lbs with normal body proportions. The frame size is 55cm (medium) and it fits me perfectly. For anyone who is looking to buy a titanium frame, don't underestimate the Everti Phoenix. I am a completely satisfied!

As you can see in the attached photos, I also have the Nuevation M28 Aero 2 wheelset which have about 2000miles and have been stellar. Also on the bike are: Conti GP4000 tires, Reynolds Ouzo Pro fork, Deda Newton 31-86 stem, Deda Supernatural Bars, Bontrager X-lite Seat Post, Fizik Arione Saddle, Ultegra Drive Train and Breaks, FSA integrated headset, Speedplay x/5 pedals, SRAM chain, and Jagwire cables to complete the bike. Most of these parts I found on ebay (all new parts) or internet retailers. I saved a bundle and the bike cost well under 3 grand.

As it turns out, the bike is a bit heavy @ just under 19lbs as pictured. I could easily shave off some weight by going to a lighter wheelset, easton SLX fork and Dura Ace drivetrain. But that would cost another 2 grand or so. Not worth the expense to lose about 1 to 1-1/2 lbs. The bottom line is... this is a terrific performing bike built-up at a good price.

What is with people obsession with the welds on Ti frames. I have an Airborne and have never considered taking a close up of the welds.

Weld bead uniformity has nothing to do with weld strength. Not that those are really all that uniform.

Nice looking bike

Welds, in and of itself, may not expose the truth about quality but it is an indicator of quality. I doubt very much that a company would take the extra time and added expense to create beautiful bead welds only to hide poor construction techniques. Does it matter much if the welds were of lesser aesthetic quality? Maybe not, but a poor looking weld would certainly be more suspicious. I post the pictures of the welds because it demonstrates this point.

Is Everti welded in CAN or Taiwan, just curious? Not that it matters, their customers seem to like their products quality. Nice bike.

Made in Russia , not that theres anything wrong with that ,cheap labor for sure but still a quality product.

At Straight Up Cycles I was told that this year he began contracting the manufacturing to China.

Made in Russia , not that theres anything wrong with that ,cheap labor for sure but still a quality product.

Then It must be made from recycled Ti sourced from scrapped MiG-25 Foxbats:D

Lovely bike!

Then It must be made from recycled Ti sourced from scrapped MiG-25 Foxbats:D

Lovely bike!

First I shoud say hello to eveyone here and this is my first post and I'm from China.
Chinese Air Force do not have any MiG 25, but so far as I know the major material used on that MiG is steel. Ti was too expensive for Soviet aero industry to build a fighter in the early days.

beautiful frameset. I have neuvations also, and i really love them. congrats on a great looking bike. Ride it alot!

First I shoud say hello to eveyone here and this is my first post and I'm from China.
Chinese Air Force do not have any MiG 25, but so far as I know the major material used on that MiG is steel. Ti was too expensive for Soviet aero industry to build a fighter in the early days.

The basic airframe was steel but leading edges were titanium.

and what looks like over an inch of stack and a positive rise stem

boy I sure love the fit on them compact frames

People make a big deal of frame geometry. I don't see the point to quibble about geometry so long as the bike fits the rider. I've owned traditional geometry frames in both steel and aluminum. I've also owned an even more compact geometry frame. So I can say with some confidence that I wouldn't know what was under me if I didn't look down. I do feel a difference in material selection and certainly a bike that is not fitted correctly will never be comfortable. That being said, your right, there is about an inch of spacers under a positive rise stem. You'll also notice (if you look closely at the photo) that the picture was taken from a low angle. This angle exagerates the rise and it is actually a bit more flat than represented in the photo. At any rate, if I had a traditional geometry frame, I would have fewer spacers, but the distance from my seat post to handlebars would be exactly the same and I would set the bike up to have similar (if not exactly) the same biometric measurements. So, in short..."what ever dude".

if you have over an inch of stack and a positive rise stem, your bike doesn't fit.
to achieve equal seat to handlebars ratio of your standard bike you had to 'shim' that bike to fit.
you could have had a longer HT and a slightly higher TT. Mfrs don't want to make longer HTs cause folks think they make compacts look funny, so instead they do what you did or they create headsets with an inch of rise in them (see Cane Creek)

so you have a load of steerer above the HS, this makes them more prone to breakage (CF) please note mfrs have suggested max limits for a reason.

so again, due to the limitations on the design, the bike had to be 'fudged' to fit.
I'm sure it rides fine, I'm sure you will enjoy it, to me it looks like when the LBS sold my friend a 63 Trek (which is a 61) cause it was the biggest bike they had, instead of finding him a 63 that would have actually fit. All they did was give him a really long seatpost, a heap of stack, a positive stem and say 'Voila, it fits'

Do you know how much your bare frame weighs?

Well, I looked into the spec on my fork and you are correct that there is a manufacture maximum limit of steerer tube above the head tube, which is 1-1/2" for my fork. That being said, I reduced my steerer tube by 10mm which put it under the limit. The bike still fits comfortably and I might suggest it fits even better. That all being said, your contention that compact geometry frames have inherent limitations and that standard geometry frames are superior does not make sense. Fit is a function of the relative position of the contact points of the body to the bike. Frame geometry doesn't matter if the rider position is correct. Don't take my word for it, in cyclingnews.com Scott Saifer who has a Masters Degree in exercise physiology and sports psychology and has personally coached over 300 athletes, reports "The compact or standard geometry makes no difference whatsoever in how you do a set-up. In either case you make adjustments to achieve certain relationships between the contact points (pedals, saddle and bars), appropriate to the dimensions, fitness and flexibility of the rider. It doesn't matter if the stuff between those items is a tiny frame and a long seatpost or a giant frame and stubby post. So long as you can achieve the desired relationship between those three "contact points", and get weight distribution compatible with good handling, you're fine. On either style of frame you may need to get a different seat post, stem or bars to achieve a good position."

The photos I posted were of my new bike before fine-tuning the fit. Sure the steerer tube is long, but I'd rather start off with a long steerer tube and gradually shorten it to find proper fit, than to start short and waste $300 if I don't achieve a proper fit. I've ridden a lot of road bikes and most were of standard geometry frames and in comparison to the compact geometry frames I have owned, my experience tells me that the frames make little difference to how I feel on the bike (so long as the frame does not prohibit me from finding a comfortable riding position). The Everti frame is perfect for my needs and there is no inherent limitations of the fit due to it's geometry. Those folks who claim that one is superior to the other probably started off with a frame that is too large or to small for their needs which resulted in a scenario that no amount of fine tuning could overcome.

Very nice. The welds look good, maybe not a 10 but good enough to show off, especially at that price. Maybe it's just me, but the zip ties for your rear cyclometer pickup stick out like a sore thumb. Don't know what else you could do except maybe get some gray colored ones (do they make gray?).

Don't let the style police get you down. While I'm not a big fan of compact frames it's, as you say, just an aesthetic. If it fits, is balanced and rides right, that's the main thing. I think it looks fine. BTW, also like the Neuvations. I'm thinking of getting their R28 SL 3 set. Smoking good buy right now for a sub 1600gm wheelset. The M28 Aero 2's are an even better buy.

I agree on both accounts. The welds are nice (not perfect) and the zip ties are terrible. The main reason why I show the welds in detail is because when I was preparing to purchase the frame, the one bit of information I could not ascertain was the quality of the welds. I'm showing the welds to help others who may be considering to by an Everti frame. Like'em or not, this is what you'll will get from Everti. By the way, Everti does make a standard geometry frame called the SWIFT. It also accepts a traditional headset (1-1/8") and I assume the welds are similar. So I guess it's dealers choice...

The Neuvation M28 Aero2 wheelset have been the biggest surprise. They are definitely on par with most wheelsets I've owned that cost $500-600. If I had to do it all over again, I would consider the R28 SL3 wheelset to reduce a bit of weight, but there is nothing bad to say about the M28s.

I just wanted to let you all know the Everti frames are actually made in Taiwan, not Russia or China.

...and you know this, how?

My brother, Kurt is the owner of Everti.

Because I am skepitcal in nature, I'll call Kurt Knock and verify your claim. For your benefit, I hope you are telling the truth. Regarding your claim that the frame is made in Taiwan...to me it doesn't matter if the frame is made in Taiwan, China, Colorado, Russia, or Mars, so long as it meets my quality expectations.

I don't know if I have ever seen someone get piled on so badly just for posting pics of a new bike. What ever happened to "if you can't say something nice..."

I don't know if I have ever seen someone get piled on so badly just for posting pics of a new bike. What ever happened to "if you can't say something nice..."

Ditto.

Only thing I would question is you are not riding crossed like it looks in the picture are you? It looks like the chain is on the innermost ring of the triple and almost on the smallest cog in the back.

Overall, it looks like a great frame and setup. I like the Ultegra triple drivetrain, the wheels, the seatpost, saddle and the Everti frame looks like they did a very good job. Congrats.

Very nice. The welds look good, maybe not a 10 but good enough to show off, especially at that price. Maybe it's just me, but the zip ties for your rear cyclometer pickup stick out like a sore thumb. Don't know what else you could do except maybe get some gray colored ones (do they make gray?).

Don't let the style police get you down. While I'm not a big fan of compact frames it's, as you say, just an aesthetic. If it fits, is balanced and rides right, that's the main thing. I think it looks fine. BTW, also like the Neuvations. I'm thinking of getting their R28 SL 3 set. Smoking good buy right now for a sub 1600gm wheelset. The M28 Aero 2's are an even better buy.
"The zip ties stick out like a sore thumb" and, "Don't let the style police get you down", both on the same post? Sheeesh!

Only thing I would question is you are not riding crossed like it looks in the picture are you? It looks like the chain is on the innermost ring of the triple and almost on the smallest cog in the back.

Overall, it looks like a great frame and setup. I like the Ultegra triple drivetrain, the wheels, the seatpost, saddle and the Everti frame looks like they did a very good job. Congrats.
I must agree, nothing beats a good triple setup.

It was merely an observation, especially since he had a close up picture of one on the downtube. Routing a rear cyclometer wire is always a problem. Silver colored zip ties wouldn't stick out as much. You can route it along a shifter or brake cable. You can go wireless.

I don't mind, really. Forums are for all sorts of opinions and ideas. Sometimes dissenting opinions leads to new discovery. In any event, thanks for your support.

Yeah, I was probably just setting up the derailleurs and making high/low adjustments.

My brother, Kurt is the owner of Everti.

Well, I did a little digging around the forum and I found that "pettacci" appears not to be the brother of Kurt, rather pettacci is Kurt Knock. On 02/13/2006 pettacci posted to this forum and signed off as Kurt Knock. This would confirm the claim that 2007 Everti frames are made in Taiwan. I still like the frame, still find it to be of very high quality, and still highly recommend the 2007 Pheonix frame. The apparent outing of pettacci as Kurt doesn't change my opinion of Kurt, his company, and his service that he provided me when I purchased the frame. All of which are high. If you are thinking of purchasing an Everti, don't hesitate and just go for it!

I agree on the ditto's. Don't let "the critic" ever see my Litespeed, I've got it set up for all day riding, but I am afraid it doesn't meet the right criteria. More stack than ortizlink's but with an aluminum steerer. It's amazing how well it actually rides though and how comfortable it is. Hmmmmm imagine that! It was a few months ago that I thought, new bike or simply replace the fork so I would gain what I was trying to achieve. Saved myself about 2K.

Well, I did a little digging around the forum and I found that "pettacci" appears not to be the brother of Kurt, rather pettacci is Kurt Knock. On 02/13/2006 pettacci posted to this forum and signed off as Kurt Knock. This would confirm the claim that 2007 Everti frames are made in Taiwan. I still like the frame, still find it to be of very high quality, and still highly recommend the 2007 Pheonix frame. The apparent outing of pettacci as Kurt doesn't change my opinion of Kurt, his company, and his service that he provided me when I purchased the frame. All of which are high. If you are thinking of purchasing an Everti, don't hesitate and just go for it!
Hi John,

Sorry I stated I was my brother but I don't want people to think I come on here to try to sell my bikes or give biased opinions. I just want to make sure the correct information is out there. From now on I will not hide my true identity. I hope you understand.

Sincerely,

Kurt Knock

Thank you for owning up to this minor issue. I continue to enjoy my bike and still think highly of your product and service.

"The compact or standard geometry makes no difference whatsoever in how you do a set-up. In either case you make adjustments to achieve certain relationships between the contact points (pedals, saddle and bars), appropriate to the dimensions, fitness and flexibility of the rider. It doesn't matter if the stuff between those items is a tiny frame and a long seatpost or a giant frame and stubby post. So long as you can achieve the desired relationship between those three "contact points", and get weight distribution compatible with good handling, you're fine. On either style of frame you may need to get a different seat post, stem or bars to achieve a good position."


so to achieve 'good fit' 'equal contact points' you need a longer, heavier and more likely prone to flex seat post that puts all the weight (rider) further away from any support mechanism (think lever) and at typically more of an angle. to avoid making an unsightly extra long head tube you compensate with heaps of stack and a positive rise stem (again now think lever and the fulcrum is the top headset)

so yes you can achieve equal contact points and a decent fit, all at the expense of creating a couple weak links in the design. It's okay the marketing guys at Giant will tell you that isn't seatpost flex, it is 'smoothing out the ride'. It is a lovely bike and I'm sorry if I'm raining on your parade, but compact bikes were made for the mfr and retailer not the rider. They were able to reduce the number of SKUs, therest is just sales hype. Lastly when one goes to buy a bike and the bike doesn't quite fit, they just 'fudge it' until it does.

so to achieve 'good fit' 'equal contact points' you need a longer, heavier and more likely prone to flex seat post that puts all the weight (rider) further away from any support mechanism (think lever) and at typically more of an angle. to avoid making an unsightly extra long head tube you compensate with heaps of stack and a positive rise stem (again now think lever and the fulcrum is the top headset)

so yes you can achieve equal contact points and a decent fit, all at the expense of creating a couple weak links in the design. It's okay the marketing guys at Giant will tell you that isn't seatpost flex, it is 'smoothing out the ride'. It is a lovely bike and I'm sorry if I'm raining on your parade, but compact bikes were made for the mfr and retailer not the rider. They were able to reduce the number of SKUs, therest is just sales hype. Lastly when one goes to buy a bike and the bike doesn't quite fit, they just 'fudge it' until it does.


This is fast becoming a boring subject. Again, your claims are unsubstantiated, have no basis in anything but assumptions and only supports your own bias. I'm happy that you like traditional geometry frames. But, one is not superior than the other and there is no real-world difference to prove otherwise. It all boils down to aesthetics and there is certainly enough choice for the consumer to have it either way, which is a good thing. Enjoy your bike & and I'll enjoy my exceedingly comfortable and properly fit road bike.

If a few cm's of stack height equates to an ill fitting frame what do you say to the tens of thousands of traditional geometry threaded headset frame owners who have several inches of quill stem sticking out of their toptube? Very, very few of these bikes are setup where you see the quill stem pushed all the way down into the headtube, and these threaded headset frames are virtually all traditional geometry, non sloping designs. Are all of these thousands of riders on ill sized frames?

There can be any number of reasons for going with a sloping frame over a traditional toptube frame including lack of standover clearance for a guy who wants a relitively high handlebar position.

I just don't understand how some spacers or an upturned stem equates to poor fit. I'd much rather see a guy run that setup comfortably than pretend he's some euroracer with no stack height, a flat stem and then has almost no ability to use the drops at all or remain comfortable for a long period of time because his bars are too low for him.

having a bike that is 'close' and then fudging it

yeah you guys are right, not one is better, which is proven by the fact that all the folks famous for ProTour compact bikes (Giant, Cervelo, Orbea) when building TT bikes where seated power is key have traditional geo. But I don't know whatr I'm talking about.

why make pants with waist and leg lengths , when you could reduce to 4 sizes and just make belts and big cuffs.

yeah no substantiation, guess you never got past the lever in any of your science classes

Nice frame for the price. I'd ditch some stickers if possible, BTJM.

As far as geometry...I don't see a compact frame geometry limiting a riders "power"...Paris-Roubaix anyone? How about this years TDF podium? How many stage wins did Gerold Ciolek have at the Deutschland Tour? What bike company was the sponsor to the overall leader of the Deutschland Tour? I don't think ortizlink has to worry about being dropped by his buddies on the next Sunday ride because he has a compact and they are on a traditional frame. It's not about the bike...right?