View Full Version : Ohio Ignores Fed Court Order and Destroys 2004 Ballots
spyderman 07-31-2007, 09:36 AM Gee, I wonder why???
http://www.alternet.org/story/58328/
In 56 of Ohio's 88 counties, ballots and election records from 2004 have been "accidentally" destroyed, despite a federal order to preserve them -- it was crucial evidence which would have revealed whether the election was stolen.
Two-thirds of Ohio counties have destroyed or lost their 2004 presidential ballots and related election records, according to letters from county election officials to the Ohio Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner.
The lost records violate Ohio law, which states federal election records must be kept for 22 months after Election Day, and a U.S. District Court order issued last September that the 2004 ballots be preserved while the court hears a civil rights lawsuit alleging voter suppression of African-American voters in Columbus.
The destruction of the election records also frustrates efforts by the media and historians to determine the accuracy of Ohio's 2004 vote count, because in county after county the key evidence needed to understand vote count anomalies apparently no longer exists.
"The extent of the destruction of records is consistent with the covering up of the fraud that we believe occurred in the presidential election," said Cliff Arnebeck, a Columbus attorney representing the King Lincoln Bronzeville Neighborhood Association, which filed voter suppression suit. "We're in the process of addressing where to go from here with the Ohio Attorney General's office."
"On the one hand, people will now say you can't prove the fraud," he said, "but the rule of law says that when evidence is destroyed it creates a presumption that the people who destroyed evidence did so because it would have proved the contention of the other side."
Brunner's office confirmed the 2004 ballots were missing, but declined to comment.
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MR_GRUMPY 07-31-2007, 11:19 AM If you have 56 people "plotting" to destroy vital evidence, don't you think it would be pretty easy to get one of the them to "roll" on the person who gave the order? Isn't it more likely that normally stupid people destroyed the ballots at the time that they normally destroy old ballots?
stuck 07-31-2007, 11:28 AM You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore.
There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore.
rocco 07-31-2007, 12:58 PM You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore.
There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore.
There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. You know, the great thing about our system of government is that no matter how much you hate whoever's in power, if you wait a couple of years they won't be there anymore. There are so many more current things that Bush has done to complain about, all this supposed election stealing just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore.
(keep telling yourself that over and over again until the elections aren't any deal anymore and they stick around indefinitely)
Snakebit 07-31-2007, 01:35 PM The skuy is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling...................keep telling yourself that over and over and maybe someone will drop a safe on you one day and you'll be vindicated.
rocco 07-31-2007, 01:45 PM The skuy is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling...................keep telling yourself that over and over and maybe someone will drop a safe on you one day and you'll be vindicated.
I hope for your sake that you didn't put any thought into that comment because if you did then...
spyderman 07-31-2007, 03:09 PM From vote tampering... to an Atty Gen lying to Congress... to corruption... to treason... to the military lying/covering-up about the death of a soldier... etc.
You'll excuse anything that the Republican party does won't you?
The skuy is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling...................keep telling yourself that over and over and maybe someone will drop a safe on you one day and you'll be vindicated.
atpjunkie 07-31-2007, 03:20 PM as long as it is pursuit of his agenda he really doesn't give a rats @ss about anything else
Snakebit 07-31-2007, 03:21 PM From vote tampering... to an Atty Gen lying to Congress... to corruption... to treason... to the military lying/covering-up about the death of a soldier... etc.
You'll excuse anything that the Republican party does won't you?
Them there charges ain't so just 'cause you say them loud and over and over. I do understand that that process reinforces your belief in them though. the lines eventually blur to the point that even you can't remember what is real and what is just smoke and mirrors.
spyderman 07-31-2007, 06:00 PM Them there charges ain't so just 'cause you say them loud and over and over. I do understand that that process reinforces your belief in them though. the lines eventually blur to the point that even you can't remember what is real and what is just smoke and mirrors.
Where I come from we calls'em facts...
Snakebit 07-31-2007, 06:01 PM Where I come from we calls'em facts...
I know that's right..............where you come from.
rocco 07-31-2007, 06:11 PM I know that's right..............where you come from.
He comes from America.
Snakebit 07-31-2007, 06:14 PM He comes from America.
He shoulda stayed.
spyderman 07-31-2007, 07:20 PM He shoulda stayed.
Why, so I can exploit me some Mexicans for cheap labor? Or that I can buy cheap chit from China? Or that I can buy as many guns as I want an kill me some brown peoples like Iraqis or afghanistans? Or that insurance companies can profit off my cancer??? (no I don't have cancer yet...but hey, I'm from AMerica...)
Oooo...so attractive? :rolleyes:
Greggb 08-01-2007, 07:00 PM Far as I am concern anyone still defending dimwit bush and slimeball cheney is a traitor. Certainly anyone that supports those two criminals in the WH is no American
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