that's the day W should have started a Manhattan Project to get us off our 'addiction to oil'

that's the day, that instead of preparing to assure America with 'Go Shopping"
he could have thought "Carpool, public transportation, bike, sell the gas guzzler...."

that's the day that instead of running around trying to find a link to Iraq he could have seen the obvious link to Saudi Arabia

that's the day that instead of leading America in a bold new direction that would have created new industries, jobs, and made America a world leader in new technologies he chose to side with the old guard and their old ways

that's the day W squandered his chance to become a monumental President for the ages to become nothing more than to do his backers bidding

not every President gets an opportunity to be truly great. not everyone is given a critical moment in history to make bold leadership moves, W when you look around the Mall at all those monuments, think, 'Gee I coulda had one of those', instead you used it to line your buddies pockets and stomp on our Constitution.

heckuva job

REMEMBER 9/12!!!

Wait! Do we get a day off???

REMEMBER 9/12!!!






moreon...

moreon...


I just had to. HAD to.

Wait! Do we get a day off???

No...just like yesterday, pop open a Bud in your cubicle. If you have a window...try to get the smoke from the grill pointed toward it.

I just had to. HAD to.


Sure you did......:rolleyes:

Ah yes 9-12. W was cowering in AF-1...hiding from OBL. Much too busy to get that project going. :rolleyes5:

Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm going shopping!

I just had to. HAD to.

and well played


golf clap

'merica hater

Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm going shopping!


I helped! Bought me a shirt.


// When I typed "Bush" into the google search bar it called up the following as preferred searches: Bush is a moron, Bush is an *******, Bush is evil, Bush is stupid, Bush is the antichrist, Bush is a monkey, Bush is bad, Bush is the devil, etc . Even the google is against him.

Ah yes 9-12. W was cowering in AF-1...hiding from OBL. Much too busy to get that project going. :rolleyes5:
He had to finish reading "The Return of My Pet Goat."

that's the day W should have started a Manhattan Project to get us off our 'addiction to oil'

that's the day, that instead of preparing to assure America with 'Go Shopping"
he could have thought "Carpool, public transportation, bike, sell the gas guzzler...."

that's the day that instead of running around trying to find a link to Iraq he could have seen the obvious link to Saudi Arabia

that's the day that instead of leading America in a bold new direction that would have created new industries, jobs, and made America a world leader in new technologies he chose to side with the old guard and their old ways

that's the day W squandered his chance to become a monumental President for the ages to become nothing more than to do his backers bidding

not every President gets an opportunity to be truly great. not everyone is given a critical moment in history to make bold leadership moves, W when you look around the Mall at all those monuments, think, 'Gee I coulda had one of those', instead you used it to line your buddies pockets and stomp on our Constitution.


Six woulda-coulda-shouldas, each errant analytically, each impotent prescriptively.

that's the day W should have started a Manhattan Project to get us off our 'addiction to oil'


Pursuing which technology?

Even the google is against him.

Pwwwwtht, LFAO.

That's good Turt.

BT

Think if the billions we've spent funding the "war" was funneled into research into many different sources of alternative energy. Hell, we might have free electricity by now. I'm pretty sure a couple hundred billion dollars could be put to good use in research and development of viable alternative energies, instead, it was poured into the already stuffed rich military industrial complex.

Most of you guys can't even remember your anniversery.

Pursuing which technology?


Noo-qyou-lar, of course!


Duh. :p

Pursuing which technology?

You're missing the point. The Manhattan Project had the goal of producing a bomb. It wasn't restricted to any technology. They had at least two theories to work with, and they pursued both. They ended up producing two types of bombs. Afterwards, one technology was deemed better than the other.

Noo-qyou-lar, of course!


Duh. :p


Seriously though, that's where we shoulda spent the few $trillion we have and will spend in Iraq. Convert all US power plants to nuke. Push development of battery tech to provide 300 mile runtimes and 5 minute recharges (we're not all that far off now). Fund infrastructure necessary infrastructure and phase in over 10 to 20 years.

Then... increase funding on research for the next generation power source.

You're missing the point. The Manhattan Project had the goal of producing a bomb. It wasn't restricted to any technology. They had at least two theories to work with, and they pursued both. They ended up producing two types of bombs. Afterwards, one technology was deemed better than the other.

spend hundreds of billions (the $ spent in Iraq) looking into all of them

Joe please explain how errant? so dismissive without anything behind it.

every American was asking "What can I do?"

why not take that moment to say "we're gonna break our dependency on oil and quit sending them our $$ starting today" and lay out a 5 (10, whatever) year plan?

it isn't 6, it is one. time to change
to the individual, start conserving until we have an alternative
to industry, create an alternative, we'll help

oil is a finite substance, at some point the whole world will need an alternative. We'd be the ones holding it. we'd be the ones exporting it. that is jobs for our people and $ for our economy.

heck Carter had this plan in the 70's. It was scrapped the day Reagan took office. Old guard ya know. So we're 3 decades behind already, now add another 6.

so Joe, if you are gonna pooh-pooh something please provide your reasoning.

we had a nation out of work and an economy that had imploded from Laisezz Faire economics. my guess is you would have had a similar response to "the New Deal"

every American was asking "What can I do?"
Bush told us what to do ... go to the mall, spend money.

I've done my part. :thumbsup: :rolleyes:

Most of you guys can't even remember your anniversery.

Mine's December 1st. So there.

every American was asking "What can I do?"

9-11: Four planeloads of psychopaths easily kill innocents.

9-12: ATP says if every American votes Green, OBL&Co. will newly judge Americans as repentent embracers of Islam, and they'll all relax, man; Satan conquered. Materialist cohabitation with the Oil Economy will be nought but a bad memory of oilslick sex with dirty ragdolls, and the replacement resource to be tapped for the benefit of all mankind will be "whatever gives you a rush, man, no worries, everybody loves us ever since we kicked the habit."

hey Joe what does it take to set up cells internationally? send folks to flight schools, pay their rent and buy them first class tickets so they have easy access to the cabin?

has nothing to do with them thinking we are green

has to do with
a) reducing their funding, not giving them ourt money to attack us
b) second, if we were not in need of oil, the ME would be strategically meaningless, meaning we'd have less involvement in the area. meaning we'd be f'ing with people's lives less thus they'd hate us less. Maybe you aren't clear, Al Qaeda became our enemy when we put military bases on holy soil. So once again we had our fingers in other folks pie and then wonder "why do they hate us?"

Joe , Iran had a democratically elected leader in the 50's. A bit of a lefty, had this wacky idea of sharing the oil revenues with all his citizens. That didn't go over too well w ith British Petroleum and the US. So we sponsored the Coup, but a brutal but US and Brit friendly dictator (the Shah)

his brutal regime gave rise to a people's revolution lead by t he Ayatollah

we funded the Mujahadeen to fight the russians over a piece of soil that meant nothing in the grand strategic scheme of things. These freedom fighters grew in power and became Al Qaeda and the Taliban

so there, 2 examples of us meddling in other folks business to further our political and mostly economic goals, and both come back to be our biggest headaches of the 21st C.

had we started and continued the ween when Jimbo implemented it, who knows we may have had NO interest in the area and thus pissed nobody off.

instead we keep sending our $'s to t he Sauds and such so we in facty helped finance those guys flying planes into bldgs. So ethically and morally
we shouldn't be contributing to our enemies doncha think?

doncha think having them feel a bit of an economic squeeze would be a good thing?

what would happen to Las Vegas if we all quit gambling?

doncha think having them feel a bit of an economic squeeze would be a good thing?

Put the squeeze on 'em all -- Arab countries, right? -- because a confluence of circumstances bred a few psychopaths?

what would happen to Las Vegas if we all quit gambling?

The U.S. Government would buy the town and lease it out to Al Queda and others itching to fly planes into buildings?

The U.S. Government would buy the town and lease it out to Al Queda and others itching to fly planes into buildings?

Only if the Republicans win back Congress.

none circumstantial, this is hint #1 at your ignorance

lets see Historically they have disliked us for our lean to Israel . historically they have disliked us because we've meddled in their affairs all the way back to T.E. Lawrence. historically they hated us because we put our military on their most sacred land

the spiritual wing hates us cause we are idolators (worshipping Jesus instead of Yahweh, Allah, God: you know that silly first commandment)

you calling them psychopaths confirms what I thought about why you were being so dismissive. You really have no frickin idea what is behind this and how deep it runs.

you've reduced it to 'a couple crazies who hate our way of life' nice, simple RTP soundbite.

why don't you spend some time studying the socio- economic forces in Saudi Arabia and how one of the richest nations in the world has a huge # of ignorant impoverished people that are easily manipulated by state and church into becoming suicide machines.
how the State is happy to send their unemployed off to blow themsleves up in some other land. How they do all this, are the epicenter of both spiritual and economic backing of the Wahhabi Jihadist movement (cornerstoned by Al Qaeda) while still having hand holding sessions with the POTUS in the rose garden should be baffling to anyone who has a logic board functioning in their 'think muscle'.

none circumstantial, this is hint #1 at your ignorance

...they...they...they...

you calling them psychopaths confirms what I thought about why you were being so dismissive. You really have no frickin idea what is behind this and how deep it runs.

you've reduced it to 'a couple crazies who hate our way of life' nice, simple RTP soundbite.

why don't you spend some time studying the socio- economic forces in Saudi Arabia and how one of the richest nations in the world has a huge # of ignorant impoverished people that are easily manipulated by state and church into becoming suicide machines.
how the State is happy to send their unemployed off to blow themsleves up in some other land.

ATP, the 9-11 suicidal hijackers were not "ignorant," were not "impoverished," were not "easily manipulated." More than a few could be said to be intellectuals. The historical record of suicidal leaders /followers is a record of individual circumstances requisite to commit such acts. "O Great Allah, bless us with many stoopid people so that we may be featured in socio-economico stories in the Great Harper's Magazine, and in this way bring glory to ourselves and to Allah."

ATP, the 9-11 suicidal hijackers were not "ignorant," were not "impoverished," were not "easily manipulated." More than a few could be said to be intellectuals. The historical record of suicidal leaders /followers is a record of individual circumstances requisite to commit such acts. "O Great Allah, bless us with many stoopid people so that we may be featured in socio-economico stories in the Great Harper's Magazine, and in this way bring glory to ourselves and to Allah."

but the heaps that are now in Iraq. you know the foreign fighters. those would be whom SA is sending across the border
also the ones blowing themselves up in Israel and Palestine as well

you have to have a 'cover story' to set up foreign terror cells. much easier to do with student visas so this makes students prime candidates.

a decent portion of the 9-11 crew, were young college level kids, displaced from their homes by a variety of reasons and susceptible to influence. This recruitment is no different than the college aged 'intellectuals' that get picked up by the Hare Krishnas or other groups. Some smart kids feel lost, some feel they don't fit in. Various groups provide a place for them where they can be molded into a variety of forms.

look at the Hamburg cell as an example. Some good kids, from good homes, displaced and feeling culturally alone. So they find a Islamic study group that first provides them with fellow Muslims and converts some of them to Jihadists. You don't think there was any manipulation there? You don't think smart, doctors to be can be brainwashed?

better go check the death rolls of numerous cults, heck the Comet Crew was all what one would think were "Smart Folks" and they were talked into one of the silliest suicides to date.

...and converts some of them to Jihadists. You don't think there was any manipulation there? You don't think smart, doctors to be can be brainwashed?

better go check the death rolls of numerous cults, heck the Comet Crew was all what one would think were "Smart Folks" and they were talked into one of the silliest suicides to date.

You're changing your assay, ATP, of peoples you repeatedly referred to as "they," whom you earlier characterized as "ignorant" and "impoverished," and whom you now equate with "the Comet Crew," a cult that exemplifies MY counterpoint that "the historical record of suicidal leaders/followers is a record of individual circumstances requisite to commit such acts." Those Rancho Sante Fe residents surely didn't think their actions "silly," but were no doubt equally sure -- as sure as the 9-11 hijackers -- of their elitist ideology.

...when you look around the Mall at all those monuments,...

Violations of the Second Commandment. Distractions from natural evolution of God's Law.

Violations of the Second Commandment. Distractions of natural evolution of God's Law.

Which god? There are so, so many to pick from.

Which god? There are so, so many to pick from.

You must be a Viking? :)

lets see Historically they have disliked us for our lean to Israel . historically they have disliked us because we've meddled in their affairs all the way back to T.E. Lawrence. historically they hated us because we put our military on their most sacred land


Just wondered if you think this is the motivation behind all world-historically movements; the reflexive response of impassioned 'victims', wanting nothing more than justice for their oppressors?

Or can a movement not spring forth, through faith in its own superiority, with a will to conquer...to achieve hegemony?

Or can a movement not spring forth, through faith in its own superiority, with a will to conquer...to achieve hegemony?

Sounds like the American Ideology to me.

the 9-11 group or any cell needs a cover story to set it up in foreign lands
so students are one of the easiest stories to use
so they recruit intelligent kids who are liminal in their life phase and weed out until they find those most easily influenced by their rhetoric

they do not make up the majority of suicide bombers, just the terror cell operatives
and their recruitment is exactly like the recruitment of religious groups or cults
a rejection of the present culture as corrupt and evil sold to college kids feeling isolated from their home and home culture.

now do you think they perceive America as corrupt just because of our hedonistic lifestyle and materialism? No, it has to do with this being reflected in our economic imperialism. We weren't on Al Qaeda's 'hit list' until we violated their Holy Land. (their view not mine).

in both cases our historical meddling is used as an example of such. it is sold to both factions with their just being a smaller number of recruits at the 'cell' level. It is sold through church and state. It also doesn't help when the leader of your enemy draws up old feelings by usng words like "Crusade'

Now Rydster it can Spring forth from a concept in one's own superiority or in a view that the other culture is corrupt and an affront to God. But the language used to sell amongst the Jihadists is revolt against the Imperialist, Zionist heathen who have turned their backs on God. It sells both moral superiority alongside the language of smashing oppression. So this sword has 2 edges.

.

why don't you spend some time studying the socio- economic forces in Saudi Arabia and how one of the richest nations in the world has a huge # of ignorant impoverished people that are easily manipulated by state and church into becoming suicide machines.
how the State is happy to send their unemployed off to blow themsleves up in some other land. How they do all this, are the epicenter of both spiritual and economic backing of the Wahhabi Jihadist movement (cornerstoned by Al Qaeda) while still having hand holding sessions with the POTUS in the rose garden should be baffling to anyone who has a logic board functioning in their 'think muscle'.

are you saying that the plane hijackers in 9/11 were ignorant impoverished people?

are you saying that the plane hijackers in 9/11 were ignorant impoverished people?

make up a minute portion of the jihadist suicide 'force' and no they were not

they were a mixture of people who had better cover stories to set up cells in foreign lands without being noticed. Kinda hard to get a person with no job or education a Visa ya know? Large numbers of foreign Jihadists into Iraq and other wars come from the ignorant (and I use this term to mean uneducated) and unemployed sectors of rich ME lands.

they were mostly young people who were living abroad and feeling isolated from their culture and were susceptible to influence. Their recruitment, as I have stated was no different than many college kids who reject their parents ways (or western culture) and join either a fringe religion or cult. Local Mullahs gather such folks and slowly select down to the few who can become full converts. Not all people attending religious studies abroad can be sucked in, same as not every college student can become a cult member.

and both forms are sold the same backstory. All the ills of the Islamic world are due to the evil and corrupt western imperialists and zionists.

the 9-11 group or any cell needs a cover story to set it up in foreign lands
so students are one of the easiest stories to use
so they recruit intelligent kids who are liminal in their life phase and weed out until they find those most easily influenced by their rhetoric

they do not make up the majority of suicide bombers, just the terror cell operatives
and their recruitment is exactly like the recruitment of religious groups or cults
a rejection of the present culture as corrupt and evil sold to college kids feeling isolated from their home and home culture.

now do you think they perceive America as corrupt just because of our hedonistic lifestyle and materialism? No, it has to do with this being reflected in our economic imperialism. We weren't on Al Qaeda's 'hit list' until we violated their Holy Land. (their view not mine).

in both cases our historical meddling is used as an example of such. it is sold to both factions with their just being a smaller number of recruits at the 'cell' level. It is sold through church and state. It also doesn't help when the leader of your enemy draws up old feelings by usng words like "Crusade'

Now Rydster it can Spring forth from a concept in one's own superiority or in a view that the other culture is corrupt and an affront to God. But the language used to sell amongst the Jihadists is revolt against the Imperialist, Zionist heathen who have turned their backs on God. It sells both moral superiority alongside the language of smashing oppression. So this sword has 2 edges.

To explain the actions of 19 with, as to the U.S., a narrative laden with none other than Marxist-defined phrasologies, and as to the terrorists, a religion gone amok, is to taint too many peoples, both those in the 50 states of America, and those in the several Arab nations; it's tantamount to slander of millions; it's a mindset that diffuses individual criminality and gives a flight-pass to individual irrationality.

not blaming the religion, nor all its members, never had

religion is just a tool used to manipulate

their ruling elite call us infidels and urge some of theirs to kill us

our ruling elite calls them terrorists and urges some of ours to kill them

meanwhile back in the rose garden the heads of both ruling elite hold hands and talk about how much $ their partnership in the Carlysle Group has made

this has nothing to do with individual criminality

this has to do with divide and conquer

not blaming the religion, nor all its members, never had

religion is just a tool used to manipulate

their ruling elite call us infidels and urge some of theirs to kill us

our ruling elite calls them terrorists and urges some of ours to kill them

meanwhile back in the rose garden the heads of both ruling elite hold hands and talk about how much $ their partnership in the Carlysle Group has made

this has nothing to do with individual criminality

this has to do with divide and conquer

"...their...our...meanwhile...": A tricorporal confederation?

"...their...our...meanwhile...": A tricorporal confederation?

nope just the haves playing the have nots off each other

again, if we were really serious about fighting global terrorism, why does the source get a hall pass

same ole, same ole

he could have chose a different route

he coulda been somebody

he chose low b!tch

Well put in the OP ATP.

It's amazing how the Bush administration has turned one of its greatest failures into a rallying call behind them.

How about "Remember August 6th?" The day Bush received a Presidential Daily Briefing warning of al Qaeda's plans to attack the US. Bush did nothing to stop known terrorist suspects from buying tickets and boarding airplans using their real names! Some who had been known to have received flight training. The warnings were getting louder and louder.

Bush was practicing his philosophy of limited government. Bush was, of course, on vacation at his ranch in Crawford Texas when he received this Aug 6th document. Remember how much time Bush used to spend on his treadmill in the Whitehouse and making a point of going home at 5 pm? Prior to September 11th, at a time when action was greatly needed.

George W. Bush, the reckless incompetent president, has gone on to achieve other great failures.

Which god?

The God of causal connections.

The God of causal connections.

Why would that one be pissed?

Why would that one be pissed?

you know all those 'connections' that caused us to invade...

Why would that one be pissed?

Bzzzzzzzzzzzt. You commit zee fallacy of complex question, KennyB, therefore, rephrase or retire.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzt. You commit zee fallacy of complex question, KennyB, therefore, rephrase or retire.



Riiiiight.

you know all those 'connections' that caused us to invade...

Bzzzzzzzzzzzt. You make bad meaning me "connections" -- you read into, ATP, and, you no good with three dots. Three dots -- denoting omission of text -- only for when citing others or when citing self of yore. Big time rule: no quotes, no three dots, that simple good habit. You bad habit.

Riiiiight.

You doubt? OK, you smartypants. You make imposition me use dirty word, "pissed," who say thing about this "pissed?" No me. You. You bad habit.

You doubt? OK, you smartypants. You make imposition me use dirty word, "pissed," who say thing about this "pissed?" No me. You. You bad habit.


Sorry, you seemed to imply that this god of casual connections would be miffed over distractions from the natural evolution of her law.

What are the factors that determine whether or not a word is dirty?

I digress. You were saying?

Sorry, you seemed to imply that this god of casual connections would be miffed over distractions from the natural evolution of her law.

What are the factors that determine whether or not a word is dirty?

I digress. You were saying?

Did you know it's talk like a pirate day today?

Did you know it's talk like a pirate day today?


Unfortunately. Was that pirate speak? :confused:

Unfortunately. Was that pirate speak? :confused:

I'm 80.

God of Grammar / Syntax corrections day as well

too bad Joe never met Mr S or TiJeanKerouac

God of Grammar / Syntax corrections day as well

too bad Joe never met Mr S or TiJeanKerouac

Too bad Sorelian can't make an appearance anymore.

only refer to him as Mr S

and why hath Mr S been banned?

I see no crime in having such mythic figures make cameos

and why hath Mr S been banned?


Banned? Really? Are you sure? Did you check? Because I don't think I have banned anyone by that name.

do we need a chant to bring him back?

he is so Sorely needed

Sorry, you seemed to imply that this god of casual connections would be miffed over distractions from the natural evolution of her law.

What are the factors that determine whether or not a word is dirty?

I digress. You were saying?

1 You feer God of casual connections, for why else you make sorry and make "pissed" "miffed?" You still rephrase more, feer more too. You make double fallacious interogative complexy query, you no logic, you with "her," you stop sneaky-sneak in things not I say. You unnatural.

2 When doktur who boo, you boo-boo on rbr, when try to make words like come from me, you boo-boo if dirty or not, dirty unnatural twice. You not make wrong first time, you maybe natural.

3 When do the grunyun run?

3 When do the grunyun run?

March through September

best time to catch oversized Short Fin Corvina and Toad Halibut in the Bay

tossing flies looking at downtown from those little beaches in Nado in the middle o' the night

God of Grammar / Syntax corrections day as well

too bad Joe never met Mr S or TiJeanKerouac

Why yoo so much name-dropper? yoo like spoof yoo...hahahahaha...you no never see big picture...you page encyclopedia...big Lincoln, he helicopter vision, yoo fly kite, no tail....hahahaahhahaha

Why yoo so much loser name-dropper? yoo like spoof yoo...hahahahaha...you no never see big picture...you page encyclopedia...big Lincoln, he helicopter vision, yoo fly kite, no tail....hahahaahhahaha

I got ant trail vision, parade vision and it still don't provide omnipotence nor omniscience
helicopter vision don't let yya see the perv dry humping the young girl in the crowd
don't let ya see pickpocket working the throngs

So now you pray to gawd of fallcious metaphors?

my picture so much bigger than folks ruled by tiny dogmas

March through September

best time to catch oversized Short Fin Corvina and Toad Halibut in the Bay

tossing flies looking at downtown from those little beaches in Nado in the middle o' the night

The Grunyun Song?:

In the middle of the night
I go walking in my sleep
From the mountains of faith
To the river so deep
I must be lookin' for something
Something sacred I lost
But the river is wide
And it's too hard to cross
even though I know the river is wide
I walk down every evening and stand on the shore
I try to cross to the opposite side
So I can finally find what it is I've been looking for
In the middle of the night
I go walking in my sleep
Through the valley of fear
To a river so deep
I've been searching for something
Taken out of my soul
Something I'd never lose
Something somebody stole
I don't know why I go walking at night
But now I'm tired and I don't want to walk anymore
I hope it doesn't take the rest of my life
Until I finally find what it is I've been looking for
(Two beat Pause)
In the middle of the night
I go walking in my sleep
Through the jungle of doubt
To the river so deep
I know I'm searching for something
Something so undefined
That it can only be seen
By the eyes of the blind
In the middle of the night (break)

I’m not sure about a life after this
God knows I've never been a spiritual man
Baptized by the fire, I wade into the river
That is runnin' to the promised land (Long Five beat Pause)

In the middle of the night
I go walking in my sleep
Through the desert of truth
To the river so deep
We all end in the ocean
We all start in the streams
We're all carried along
By the river of dreams
In the middle of the night

I got ant trail vision, parade vision and it still don't provide omnipotence nor omniscience helicopter vision don't let yya see the perv dry humping the young girl in the crowd don't let ya see pickpocket working the throngs

So now you pray to gawd of fallcious metaphors?

my picture so much bigger than folks ruled by tiny dogmas

1 yoo picnic no happy yoo oom-pah, oom-oah eyes, ATP no gahd, no private blackwater shoot young girl in crowd, sykes its oliver

2 Burp. Nothing fallacious or metaphorical about "God of causal connection." Fallacy of Complex Question is your favorite habituation too, I see.

3 Tonight's therapy has been fruitful ATP, now that we have a proper diagnosis of your problem -- Corgi Complex -- all them corgi pix i've been seeing is you looking at you dot dot dot

1 yoo picnic no happy yoo oom-pah, oom-oah eyes, ATP no gahd, no private blackwater shoot young girl in crowd, sykes its oliver

2 Burp. Nothing fallacious or metaphorical about "God of causal connection." Fallacy of Complex Question is your favorite habituation too, I see.

3 Tonight's therapy has been fruitful ATP, now that we have a proper diagnosis of your problem -- Corgi Complex -- all them corgi pix i've been seeing is you looking at you dot dot dot

sorry not part of the Corgi nation, you one bad shrinky dinky

I think you steppin' too quick

sorry not part of the Corgi nation, you one bad shrinky dinky

I think you steppin' too quick

Well, we're at dog beach now anyway -- unleash -- c-ya junkieboy, my Ford GT awaits...

ah ha now i get it, im glad you enlightened me. so the long gas lines, and terrible economy of the late seventies was brilliant jimmy carter's plan to get us off oil. do you read this crap you type, before you hit the reply button?

ah ha now i get it, im glad you enlightened me. so the long gas lines, and terrible economy of the late seventies was brilliant jimmy carter's plan to get us off oil. do you read this crap you type, before you hit the reply button?


the oil shortage caused Carter to make radical plans to change America's oil consumption

he said that year would be the most foreign oil America would ever use and started implementing policy for auto fuel consumption and others.

after Reagan was elected his policy changs were scrapped

here, enlighten yourself

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_energy.html

or here's some highlights in case you are too lazy ( April 18, 1977.)

"Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly.

It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century.

We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren.

We simply must balance our demand for energy with our rapidly shrinking resources. By acting now, we can control our future instead of letting the future control us.

....

The most important thing about these proposals is that the alternative may be a national catastrophe. Further delay can affect our strength and our power as a nation.

Our decision about energy will test the character of the American people and the ability of the President and the Congress to govern. This difficult effort will be the "moral equivalent of war" -- except that we will be uniting our efforts to build and not destroy"

The first principle is that we can have an effective and comprehensive energy policy only if the government takes responsibility for it and if the people understand the seriousness of the challenge and are willing to make sacrifices.

The second principle is that healthy economic growth must continue. Only by saving energy can we maintain our standard of living and keep our people at work. An effective conservation program will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs.

The third principle is that we must protect the environment. Our energy problems have the same cause as our environmental problems -- wasteful use of resources. Conservation helps us solve both at once.

The fourth principle is that we must reduce our vulnerability to potentially devastating embargoes. We can protect ourselves from uncertain supplies by reducing our demand for oil, making the most of our abundant resources such as coal, and developing a strategic petroleum reserve.

The fifth principle is that we must be fair. Our solutions must ask equal sacrifices from every region, every class of people, every interest group. Industry will have to do its part to conserve, just as the consumers will. The energy producers deserve fair treatment, but we will not let the oil companies profiteer.

The sixth principle, and the cornerstone of our policy, is to reduce the demand through conservation. Our emphasis on conservation is a clear difference between this plan and others which merely encouraged crash production efforts. Conservation is the quickest, cheapest, most practical source of energy. Conservation is the only way we can buy a barrel of oil for a few dollars. It costs about $13 to waste it.

The seventh principle is that prices should generally reflect the true replacement costs of energy. We are only cheating ourselves if we make energy artificially cheap and use more than we can really afford.

The eighth principle is that government policies must be predictable and certain. Both consumers and producers need policies they can count on so they can plan ahead. This is one reason I am working with the Congress to create a new Department of Energy, to replace more than 50 different agencies that now have some control over energy.

The ninth principle is that we must conserve the fuels that are scarcest and make the most of those that are more plentiful. We can't continue to use oil and gas for 75 percent of our consumption when they make up seven percent of our domestic reserves. We need to shift to plentiful coal while taking care to protect the environment, and to apply stricter safety standards to nuclear energy.

The tenth principle is that we must start now to develop the new, unconventional sources of energy we will rely on in the next century