You people should be ashamed of yourselves!

Republitards need to wake up and realize there is no military solution to the situation in Iraq.

You people should be ashamed of yourselves!

Republitards need to wake up and realize there is no military solution to the situation in Iraq.


Huh??

Huh??


it's tough to come up with new material all the time, especially when you've gotta meet your new thread quota.

it's tough to come up with new material all the time, especially when you've gotta meet your new thread quota.


BJII has no problem with that. Perhaps Spydie oughta take lessons?

I assume that he means soldiers in the broad term of "service members". Uninformed people do that. Anyway, if six hundred of us have been condemned to death, I assume I would have received an email if I was on the list. I'll watch my back anyway. I swear someone was following me last weekend in Napoli.

Just watch out for the little black helicopters. Blackwater doesn't have much to do these days.

This thread is proof that drinking and posting should not be allowed.

I assume that he means soldiers in the broad term of "service members". Uninformed people do that. Anyway, if six hundred of us have been condemned to death, I assume I would have received an email if I was on the list. I'll watch my back anyway. I swear someone was following me last weekend in Napoli.

Just a guess, but spydie might be talking about the defeat of the Webb amendment that would mandate more downtime after rotation. One year there, one year here, stuff like that. Where the 600 number came from though, I don't even have a guess.

This thread is proof that drinking and posting should not be allowed.

That would take all the fun out of posting. :)

Just a guess, but spydie might be talking about the defeat of the Webb amendment that would mandate more downtime after rotation. One year there, one year here, stuff like that. Where the 600 number came from though, I don't even have a guess.

The Webb ammendment would be probably be a fun thread. Congress determining troop deployment and all. I can't remember, is Congress the Commander in Chief of the military or is that with some other branch of government?

I have no clue where the 600 came from. Didn't 300 hold off the Persian Army? Maybe the democrats want us to withdraw but leave 600 behind to hold of the Persian Army. Not that Iraq is Persia, but similiar.

I have no clue where the 600 came from. Didn't 300 hold off the Persian Army? Maybe the democrats want us to withdraw but leave 600 behind to hold of the Persian Army. Not that Iraq is Persia, but similiar.

Yea...until they all died.

The Webb ammendment would be probably be a fun thread. Congress determining troop deployment and all. I can't remember, is Congress the Commander in Chief of the military or is that with some other branch of government?

I have no clue where the 600 came from. Didn't 300 hold off the Persian Army? Maybe the democrats want us to withdraw but leave 600 behind to hold of the Persian Army. Not that Iraq is Persia, but similiar.

Well, if you're willing to accept "kicking the can down the road" as justification for allowing 600 more US troops to die in Iraq, then perhaps you should turn in your "I love America" card?

We already know there isn't a military solution to Iraq, yet you obstructionist Republitards can't seem to get that through your thick sculls... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yea...until they all died.
Thesbians who get NO love whatsoever

but they kicked Persian Butt in the Water Themisticles Pawn3d them 2x!!!

Thesbians who get NO love whatsoever

but they kicked Persian Butt in the Water Themisticles Pawn3d them 2x!!!

I read that as:

Lesbians who get NO love whatsoever
but they kicked Persian Butt in the Water Testicles Pawn3d them 2x...

I like my version

...
Lesbians who get NO love whatsoever
...

That's not what I hear...

That's not what I hear...


I'm a lesbian and I get lots of love.

Well, if you're willing to accept "kicking the can down the road" as justification for allowing 600 more US troops to die in Iraq, then perhaps you should turn in your "I love America" card?

We already know there isn't a military solution to Iraq, yet you obstructionist Republitards can't seem to get that through your thick sculls... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Where does the 600 come from? I guess my thick skull can't figure it out.

I assume that he means soldiers in the broad term of "service members". Uninformed people do that. Anyway, if six hundred of us have been condemned to death, I assume I would have received an email if I was on the list. I'll watch my back anyway. I swear someone was following me last weekend in Napoli.


It was probably a pickpocket. Beautiful city though.

Well, if you're willing to accept "kicking the can down the road" as justification for allowing 600 more US troops to die in Iraq, then perhaps you should turn in your "I love America" card?

We already know there isn't a military solution to Iraq, yet you obstructionist Republitards can't seem to get that through your thick sculls... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Lighten up Francis. You remind me of AJS a little too much sometime. BigBill is one of the Good Guys.

Where does the 600 come from? I guess my thick skull can't figure it out.

March/May '08, 6-8 months away. That's about the time when your obstructionist party will become dovish on the war solely for political reasons. They don't give a rats arse about the 600 who will die in the mean time.

The Pentagon gave you a mission that they didn't plan for when they could and should have. "6 days, 6 weeks, I highly doubt 6 months." It was a war of choice and you weren't given the proper equipment for fighting what turned out to be a guerrilla war. They were warned by military experts and they chose not to listen. You weren't trained for nation building. "Mission Accomplished"

The Pentagon and the White House know they can't win this with the current tactics, yet they are going to keep with the same tactics? Brilliant!

Lighten up Francis. You remind me of AJS a little too much sometime. BigBill is one of the Good Guys.

Sorry greg, I wont lighten up. I'll take the AJS comparison as a complement. He wasn't too far off the mark. He was talking about PNAC before anyone else.

Bigbill is one of the good guys, and so are the other 160,000 troops we have in harms way.

The Republican party is allowing 600 more troops to die simply for political reasons. That pisses me off!

Perhaps more people should be angry about that?

The Republican party is allowing 600 more troops to die simply for political reasons. That pisses me off!

Perhaps more people should be angry about that?


Actually, it's the Dems that have allowed it to happen. They had a chance to defund the whole thing this past spring and didn't. Defunding it back then was the easiest and most foolproof option they had because all they had to do was vote no. No legislation to pass only to have vetoed, nothing to filibuster, just a simple nay vote and there wouldn't be a damned thing the Republicans, the President or the SC could do to prevent it.

If they didn't have the balls to do it back then, they surely don't have the ball to do it now and now they'd have to pass legislation to make it happen. It's been one squandered oportunity after another with this crew. Or, more likely, it's no different than the initial authorization for the war: they're looking to capitalize on it. Rest assured, it will backfire on them.

Actually, it's the Dems that have allowed it to happen. They had a chance to defund the whole thing this past spring and didn't. Defunding it back then was the easiest and most foolproof option they had because all they had to do was vote no. No legislation to pass only to have vetoed, nothing to filibuster, just a simple nay vote and there wouldn't be a damned thing the Republicans, the President or the SC could do to prevent it.

If they didn't have the balls to do it back then, they surely don't have the ball to do it now and now they'd have to pass legislation to make it happen. It's been one squandered oportunity after another with this crew. Or, more likely, it's no different than the initial authorization for the war: they're looking to capitalize on it. Rest assured, it will backfire on them.

Do you really think if tomorrow, the Congress voted to cut off all funding for Iraq, and it survived a presidential veto, that Bush would simply shrug his shoulders and say Ok, we're bringing the troops home?

He spied illegally on American citizens, despite the laws passed by Congress, they move the TIA program from the Pentagon to the NSA after Congress cut off funding for that, etc., etc.

He'll keep on fighting his war with whatever money he can wrangle from wherever, and claim his duties as commander in chief supersede anything Congress can do.

Do you really think if tomorrow, the Congress voted to cut off all funding for Iraq, and it survived a presidential veto, that Bush would simply shrug his shoulders and say Ok, we're bringing the troops home?

He spied illegally on American citizens, despite the laws passed by Congress, they move the TIA program from the Pentagon to the NSA after Congress cut off funding for that, etc., etc.

He'll keep on fighting his war with whatever money he can wrangle from wherever, and claim his duties as commander in chief supersede anything Congress can do.

tho that is true the Dems should have had the ballz to defund it anyway..... Bush is stalling till he gets out of office....the fact that the rest of the Cons are going along will help them lose some more seats.....

To all the apologists: How many lives is a losing battle worth....your incompetent leaders have made any kind of victory impossible so how many more must die until you concede you fvcked up.....

BJII has no problem with that. Perhaps Spydie oughta take lessons?

Yeah but dick jokes and what you're having for lunch threads are a lot easier than politics.

tho that is true the Dems should have had the ballz to defund it anyway..... Bush is stalling till he gets out of office....the fact that the rest of the Cons are going along will help them lose some more seats.....

To all the apologists: How many lives is a losing battle worth....your incompetent leaders have made any kind of victory impossible so how many more must die until you concede you fvcked up.....

may put some troops at more risk. something the Dems cannot risk either for the safety of the troops or for the future

what if they defund and W keeps them there with just less stuff, or less people?

may put some troops at more risk. something the Dems cannot risk either for the safety of the troops or for the future

what if they defund and W keeps them there with just less stuff, or less people?

If you keep someone in harms way, you are responsible for their safety.

Responsibility is not high on the list of Con attributes however.

If you keep someone in harms way, you are responsible for their safety.

Responsibility is not high on the list of Con attributes however.

but the Cons are so good at deflecting blame

as my first witness see the last 6 years

tho that is true the Dems should have had the ballz to defund it anyway.....


agree. the same reason they should keep sending him a funding bill with timelines for withdrawal in it, or force the Repubs to actually filibuster every bill, instead of quietly withdrawing it when it becomes clear that they don't have enough votes to end debate on it.

force them to filibuster, stand there for hours arguing against it, force Bush to veto their bills. make it abundently clear who it is standing in the way of bringing our troops home from Iraq.

agree. the same reason they should keep sending him a funding bill with timelines for withdrawal in it, or force the Repubs to actually filibuster every bill, instead of quietly withdrawing it when it becomes clear that they don't have enough votes to end debate on it.

force them to filibuster, stand there for hours arguing against it, force Bush to veto their bills. make it abundently clear who it is standing in the way of bringing our troops home from Iraq.

agreed

Cons: Corrupt and incompetent

Dems: Spineless

in the meantime our guys keep getting maimed and killed

agreed

Cons: Corrupt and incompetent

Dems: Spineless

in the meantime our guys keep getting maimed and killed

my guess is this ramming the head against the wall will be the new technique

agreed

Cons: Corrupt and incompetent

Dems: Spineless

in the meantime our guys keep getting maimed and killed

Word.


Pubs: Corrupt and incompetent.
Dems: Corrupt and spineless.

Actually, it's the Dems that have allowed it to happen. They had a chance to defund the whole thing this past spring and didn't. Defunding it back then was the easiest and most foolproof option they had because all they had to do was vote no. No legislation to pass only to have vetoed, nothing to filibuster, just a simple nay vote and there wouldn't be a damned thing the Republicans, the President or the SC could do to prevent it.

If they didn't have the balls to do it back then, they surely don't have the ball to do it now and now they'd have to pass legislation to make it happen. It's been one squandered oportunity after another with this crew. Or, more likely, it's no different than the initial authorization for the war: they're looking to capitalize on it. Rest assured, it will backfire on them.

If we want to be specific, during the '06 election, Howard Dean left like $10 million on the table that could have been used to win more seats in both the House and Senate. He tried to win it on the cheap and that is why the Dems hands are tied.

Right now, the Dems are like a castrated bull. The Republicans obstruct everything and anything the Dems put forth and there lies the problem. Since everyone knows military force can't solve the problems in Iraq, the Republicans are actually the ones stopping the Dems from changing the course of the war.

The Buck Stops There...

If we want to be specific, during the '06 election, Howard Dean left like $10 million on the table that could have been used to win more seats in both the House and Senate. He tried to win it on the cheap and that is why the Dems hands are tied.

Right now, the Dems are like a castrated bull. The Republicans obstruct everything and anything the Dems put forth and there lies the problem. Since everyone knows military force can't solve the problems in Iraq, the Republicans are actually the ones stopping the Dems from changing the course of the war.

The Buck Stops There...


Then vote and have it filibustered and/or vetoed so everyone can see and have no doubt who the buck stops with. Until then, it's all about political expediency.

Word.


Pubs: Corrupt and incompetent.
Dems: Corrupt and spineless.

us=f*kked