How many French riders have been busted for doping? I have not heard of any or is all French riders pure and the rest dopers?

Remember Richard Virenque?

perhaps something from this decade?

i thought the french had really good doping controls. thats why when people got caught in the tour, all the french riders waited in protest at the start, to protest against the other riders who were doping. thats prob also why they are all slow.

L'Equipe said 5 others tested during Le Tour had traces of Dynepo. They had no problem outing Rasmussen, but one wonders why they didn't name the other 5.

Things that make you go Hmmm....

It is funny that with all of the riders getting busted or names where mentioned as posibles that none of the riders are French. I think that alot of the riders are getting sick of the French B.S. and racing in America is the futrue.

L'Equipe said 5 others tested during Le Tour had traces of Dynepo. They had no problem outing Rasmussen, but one wonders why they didn't name the other 5.

Things that make you go Hmmm....

Are you sure that is what L'Equipe said?

From what I read they said that there had been 10 positives over the last few years, and 9 of them were track and field.

step away from the crack pipe :rolleyes:

demus, you're right, there's a French conspiracy. The French labs have agreed not to out any French riders for positive results as long as the riders agree not to win any races...

The French have one of the most rigorous testing programs in place...and have for a long time.

The French have one of the most rigorous testing programs in place...and have for a long time.
+1. The French teams have been running anti-doping programs since the mid-90s... and they beefed them up a lot after Festina, IIRC.


Ag2R, Boygues Telecom, and Credit Agricole suck in the ProTour for a reason. They do better dope control than anyone else (with the exception of like, Slipstream).

That's why French teams suck so bad... they're clean.

I feel when the sport get's cleaned up the French will still suck. Time has passed them buy.

+1. The French teams have been running anti-doping programs since the mid-90s... and they beefed them up a lot after Festina, IIRC.


Ag2R, Boygues Telecom, and Credit Agricole suck in the ProTour for a reason. They do better dope control than anyone else (with the exception of like, Slipstream).

That's why French teams suck so bad... they're clean.
I remember when Joseba Beloki came back from his broken leg. He signed with a French team, but had a very open battle with team mgt. He wasn't allowed to take his Slbutimol at anywhere near the level he was accustomed to.

FWIW - Salbutimol is the same alergy treatment Pettachi is acused of abusing.

JSR

Interesting how you left out Cofidis, because it disproves your point. David Millar lived in France and rode for a French team, and he was taking EPO. Several Cofidis riders also went down in the wake of Millar. And while that may be in the recent past, just this year, Christian Moreni got busted just this year for testosterone, riding for Cofidis. So you can say the French may have a better system, but you definitely can't say they are all clean.

No one said they are all clean. Just because Yemen has one of the lowest crime rates per capita in the world doesn't mean that there is no crime. Just because the french are some of the cleanest in the world doesn't mean there is no doping.

I've yet to see an FDJ rider be banned or even scrutinized, though. It's probably happened, but not in my recent memory.

Just like Slipstream. Are all their riders clean? They will probably be the cleanest team in the peleton, but I'm sure some rider will eventually seek external medical treatment...

Why is it that alot of peaople are against the frecnh? the most drugged rider in the history of cycling (who never got caught) is an AMERICAN (lance armstrong), than there is landis, tyler hamilton...... who was the moron that said that the fiture of clean cycling is in the USA????

I guess I am the moron that said that. But you should read and try to comprehend what I said that the future is racing in America. I said nothing about being the cleanest,So who is the MORON. Everybody is sick of the French B.S. They wine and ***** more than anybody I know.

Demus - I'll leave aside your ill-informed generalizations re. "the French" , but I will point out that we at least know how to spell "whine" correctly in English... and we know the difference between "gets" and "get's", ... and we know when to use "by" vs. "buy". :thumbsup:

Mohair - perhaps you do not understand the scope of the FFC's anti-doping controls.
The French do have one of the most rigourous anti-doping policies around ... but it only concerns the riders under the authority of the French Cycling Federation, e.g. French license holders. The examples you give do not disprove the effectiveness of the French controls -- Millar holds an English license and Moreni an Italian License and thus are not subjected to the same longitudnal controls that Cofidis'<i>french</i> riders are. A better example would be Philippe Gaumont (ex-Cofidis) but he was caught using those same controls. Also, note that Virenque and Jalabert both held Swiss and Spanish licenses respectively at some point in the end of their careers.... hmmm, wonder why? Of course there are cyclists who dope in France but the fact remains that doping, esp. the kind of "boutique" doping that had cyclists flocking to Girona and other points in Spain, is simply much, much more difficult to get away with when you are a French licensed rider.

Everybody is sick of the French B.S. They wine and ***** more than anybody I know.

Who is everybody?

Wine? Yes, wine is cheaper than water in france--- or do you mean whine? Frankly, it sounds like it is YOU that is whining.

Sorry about the spelling I should of took more time to check my spelling. But with the French you always here them talking about other riders doping but them. It get's really old to here the same old story. Just get on the bike and ride.

I'll admit I don't know the scope of the FFC controls, but from what I understand, they are better than anyone else's controls, and that's a good thing. My point was not to malign the French or their system, but merely to point out that even with these controls in place, it's doubtful that <u>all</u> French riders are clean.

I should of <i> took </i> ..... you always <i>here</i> them talking .

Not to belabor a point but ... holy craptastic grasp of the English language, Batman!

In fact, you say "you always here (sic) them talking" but that simply isn't true. In interview after interview many French riders (I''ll cite Casper, Moreau, Turpin, Pineau and Gadret as recent examples), go out of the way to point out that it's not their business to worry about who is doping in the pro peleton and whether or not their performance may have better if others weren't doping but to train and ride the best they can and let the UCI worry about the dopers. A consistent theme coming up is that many of these riders prefer to race in the Coupe de France races as these tend to attract riders under the anti-doping control of the FFC.

I, on the other hand, would be mad as hell if a generation of blood-doping cheaters had swindled my chances at a career. I also would be mad that they would have forced me to make a decision whether or not to dope to have a career or not dope and be uncompetitive when the blood bags get broken out. I also would likely be frustrated that my own national cycling federation's rigourous anti-doping stance makes it so that I do the "right" thing ... and stay uncompetitive in the Grand Tours... but that's just me. Lucky for the Spanish, the Americans, the Kazakhs and, to a lesser extent (after the police drug raids at the Giro), the Italians -- their national federations' lack of action made it easier for them to dope!

Agreed, and indeed there are still some cases of crude "pot belge" doping in the amateur ranks.

Furthermore, I am not saying that the French would not dope if they had the chance to -- that's a ridiculous and historically untenable assertion -- the French are no more likely to dope, or not dope, than any other nationality in the peleton. That is exactly the point of having the rigourous controls in place -- it makes it much more difficult to get away with doping, especially of the kind we have seen in the past few years.

While I think it is great that Slipstream, Telekom, CSC, etc are starting to have the same approach as the FFC, I believe the only effective solution will be for the National cycling federations to put in place the same controls ... although there is always the case of the Kazakh national cycling federation:rolleyes:

Not to belabor a point but ... holy craptastic grasp of the English language, Batman!LOL! Too funny.

Why is it that alot of peaople are against the frecnh? the most drugged rider in the history of cycling (who never got caught) is an AMERICAN (lance armstrong), than there is landis, tyler hamilton...... who was the moron that said that the fiture of clean cycling is in the USA????

Armstrong Derangement Syndrome?

While I think it is great that Slipstream, Telekom, CSC, etc are starting to have the same approach as the FFC, I believe the only effective solution will be for the National cycling federations to put in place the same controls

Even better is for the UCI to make the FFC controls the minimum standard for all national federations. Any federation that does not conform would be decertified, which none of its riders can race. At that point, either the federation conforms, or another conforming federation can be created to take its place. That would solve the Spanish problem.