i put soy protein in my smoothies. just curious about the difference between soy and whey. is it a personal preference thing? is one more bioavailable? anyone know any biological difference between the two?
thanks

Whey protein costs more but doesn't taste nasty. Thats all I know.

This is my first post, so hello everyone.

Soy protein is basically crap. Google soy and you will find that there is a big controversy over whether soy belongs in the human diet in any form.

Whey is generally accepted as the best protein supplement, if you are looking for a protein powder for smoothies.
MuscleMilk by Cytosport is supposed to be a good one.

Personally I don't take any protein supplements, I just try to eat high quality eggs, chicken, fish, or beef.

This is my first post, so hello everyone.

Soy protein is basically crap. Google soy and you will find that there is a big controversy over whether soy belongs in the human diet in any form.

Whey is generally accepted as the best protein supplement, if you are looking for a protein powder for smoothies.
MuscleMilk by Cytosport is supposed to be a good one.

Personally I don't take any protein supplements, I just try to eat high quality eggs, chicken, fish, or beef.

Crap is a bit strong, but I'd pick whey over soy personally. Nothing really wriong with soy IMO though.

Hemp protein.

By far the best. Tastes great, gets you the protein in a highly available and digestible form, and has the added benefit of getting you the good fats you need in the form of real omega-3's... And it's great from an environmental standpoint.

No, it won't get you stoned or show up on a pee test.

Yes, you can make it yourself with raw hemp seeds and a coffee grinder.

I use Manitoba Harvest but have also had Living Harvest and bought out of the bulk bins at the food co-op. The dumbfunks at the FDA and DEA still won't allow it's production in the USA, so we are left with importing from Canada.

You may want to check out www.organicathlete.com and do some googling of Hemp Protein

No, it won't get you stoned or show up on a pee test.
Not so sure about that. I mean the test part...I realize it won't get you stoned, but if the test is sensitive enough you may have enough THC metabolites to trigger a positive much like how poppyseeds can sometimes trigger a positive heroin test.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/column?oid=oid%3A394192

Even though eating a hemp food product is unlikely to produce a positive drug-test result, bear in mind that the legal limit for THC is not necessarily the safe limit. There has never been a documented fatality from THC overdose, but recent findings reveal changes in brain chemistry with even small amounts of THC. Most urine tests detect only THC carboxylic acid (an inactive metabolite) rather than THC or any of its active metabolites. Testing for the THC carboxylic acid metabolite may not relate to intoxication.

Well, later in that article...it says "if you consume 2/3 lb of hemp on the day of your test". I believe you WOULD have to be stoned to think consuming that much protein powder was ever a good idea...in which case you would fail the test on two accounts.

http://www.testpledge.com/

Specific to the OP:

http://www.fitstep.com/articles/nutrition/direct/hemp-protein-review.htm

Flax seed and bee polen are good add-ins too.

Besides, it's more than likely that most people are getting plenty of protein from their diet anyway...I use hemp protein more for the fat component and fiber than just getting protein...and to complete the meal when I'm having a smoothie for breakfast pre-run/ride.

Well, later in that article...it says "if you consume 2/3 lb of hemp on the day of your test". I believe you WOULD have to be stoned to think consuming that much protein powder was ever a good idea...in which case you would fail the test on two accounts.

http://www.testpledge.com/

Specific to the OP:

http://www.fitstep.com/articles/nutrition/direct/hemp-protein-review.htm

Flax seed and bee polen are good add-ins too.

Besides, it's more than likely that most people are getting plenty of protein from their diet anyway...I use hemp protein more for the fat component and fiber than just getting protein...and to complete the meal when I'm having a smoothie for breakfast pre-run/ride.

It is definately unlikely, but if I was say--Lance Armstrong or some Olympic athlete I think I'd shy away from it just in case there was the slightest chance it might trigger a positive.

Probably true...but I'm guessing the OP is not one of them...nor are the rest of us...

It's a great alternative to the chemical mixes/supplements on the market.

I'll leave it at that and let personal choice take it from there.

This is my first post, so hello everyone.

Soy protein is basically crap. Google soy and you will find that there is a big controversy over whether soy belongs in the human diet in any form.

Whey is generally accepted as the best protein supplement, if you are looking for a protein powder for smoothies.
MuscleMilk by Cytosport is supposed to be a good one.

Personally I don't take any protein supplements, I just try to eat high quality eggs, chicken, fish, or beef.

Stick to riding and not nutrition. :nono:

+1 on the Hemp. :thumbsup:

I do lots of reading on nutrition so I am curious how you disagree Speedy.
Do you have any info you could pass along?

i defiantly don't want to test positive next year in bejing.

I do lots of reading on nutrition so I am curious how you disagree Speedy.
Do you have any info you could pass along?

It sounds like you are not very selective in your reading. You may find a big controversy on the Internet about soy vs. dairy protein, but you can also find a big controversy about whether we really landed on the moon, or about evolution vs. intelligent design. That doesn't mean that knowledgeable scientists think there is a controversy. Try quackwatch or pubmed for your reading pleasure.

As a vegetarian, I consume majority of protein from soy products. B/c I am not a vegan, I also consume a lot of cassien protein from cottage cheese (mixed with peanut butter is yummy-yummy).

Today I did a litte over 57 miles average 18.57 mph ... so if soy protein is crap and I can do this, then WOW

Kudos to you.

But if you switched to Hemp protein, 19 mph would be yours tomorrow :)

It sounds like you are not very selective in your reading. You may find a big controversy on the Internet about soy vs. dairy protein, but you can also find a big controversy about whether we really landed on the moon, or about evolution vs. intelligent design. That doesn't mean that knowledgeable scientists think there is a controversy. Try quackwatch or pubmed for your reading pleasure.

Last time I checked, the "we didn't land on the moon" faction doesn't spend billions of dollars on lobbyist groups and false science to prove it's point.

Just sayin...

Kudos to you.

But if you switched to Hemp protein, 19 mph would be yours tomorrow :)
And if you quit carrying around all that extra protein that you don't need, you would be even faster. - TF

Kerry Irons, I suggested the OP use google to find quick examples of the
controversy with soy products. What I read on the subject of nutrition is
not limited to the internet and the plethora of conspiracy theories that are
floating around.

As Cervelo-er eluded to the soy industry is large and powerful and most likely
does not care if soy is not as healthy as they'd like you to believe.

Here is an interview with a "certified clinical nutritionist with a Ph.D. in nutritional sciences and anti-aging therapies."

http://www.utne.com/2007-07-01/2007-142-How-Much-is-Too-Much.aspx

As Cervelo-er eluded to the soy industry is large and powerful and most likely
does not care if soy is not as healthy as they'd like you to believe.


Well...I was more referring to the Dairy Industry, but yeah, soy is up there too...but then again, I doubt the organic soy producers are the ones throwing their weight/money around...

Still, it all comes down to personal choice. We're all probably more likely to die from getting hit by a car or faceplanting at 50mph than from the cumulative effects of soy vs. casein vs. hemp protein powder...but if we can avoid the former, then the latter becomes more important.

And for me, it's worth it to prepare, or at least make decisions, as if I'm going to live a long life.

Nevermind the fact that milk makes me gag...and soy makes my GF gag...if she's in the same room, or a sealed car, 2 hours after I ingest :eek:

Kerry Irons, I suggested the OP use google to find quick examples of the
controversy with soy products. What I read on the subject of nutrition is
not limited to the internet and the plethora of conspiracy theories that are
floating around.

As Cervelo-er eluded to the soy industry is large and powerful and most likely
does not care if soy is not as healthy as they'd like you to believe.

Here is an interview with a "certified clinical nutritionist with a Ph.D. in nutritional sciences and anti-aging therapies."

http://www.utne.com/2007-07-01/2007-142-How-Much-is-Too-Much.aspx

The soy industry is very large and powerful? Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!

Both whey and soy are complete proteins (i.e. they carry all the amino acids that our bodies cannot produce). I suggest you experiment with both and stick with the one that makes you feel better/stronger, after ingestion. Think of all your foods as performance enhancing and drop those that drag you down or make you feel weaker.

If you get drug tested at work, I'd avoid hemp products (even though in some ways they are superior as a food source). You'd hate to lose a job over a protein shake. The drug tests today are too sensitive.

Soy protein is the ideal protein to use prior to and during a workout. Use whey as your recovery protein...whey is more easily assimilated into your body to repair the muscle tissue. Never use whey during a workout as whey can produce ammonia in your muscle tissue, which in turn will cause muscle fatigue. If you consume whey prior to a workout, give your body 3 hours to process it so you won't have the issue with ammonia.
Basically, you don't want to consume soy for breakfast, lunch and dinner......use it a few times throughout the day and that should be fine. Like most things, moderation is key.

The soy industry is very large and powerful? Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!

Soy is the #3 food crop in the US behind corn and wheat.