After doing the RBR ride a couple of weeks ago I'm lusting even more than before for a nice steel lugged frame for my geared bike. Money is a little tight right now but I'm semi- seriously thinking about considering selling my Ti-Carbon Lemond Tete-De Course Frame. I'd then pick up a nice lugged steel frame from eBay,GVH or another suggested place. I like the Tete but I also LOVE my steel Lemond Fillmore and I lust for Lugs. I would like custom but can't afford it right now, and if I did go custom I'd probably go for the fixie first. What does the peeps in the lounge say?

I've already got two Macs..

Let us know the size you are looking for & we can keep our eyes open.

Len

Sell a MAC.

Buy a Waterford.

Selling both of My macs wouldn't make enough for a Waterford. Besides, when I go custom I'm lusting for a Kirk fixie.

I think you either like the retro look or you don't. Or you like it well enough to own one among others. I say you should buy what you like to look at because construction method isn't going to make a difference in ride.

There are a lot of interesting options out there ranging from NOS-used on eBay to a nice new Delancy (http://www.somafab.com/delancey.html) or Speedster (http://www.somafab.com/speedster.html) from Soma. Might easily get on something between $400 and $800 and not thus break the bank.

It's an itch I always scratch - why not?

The solution is don't hang out with LenJ, MB1, MissM, or any other luggites.

I ride a 55 Lemond, basically a 56 in everybody elses book. It's a semi-compact effective toptube is 56.5.

It's an itch I always scratch - why not?



DUH.......

VaughnA...I have a nice 57 cm lugged Merckx that I might be selling as a complete bike soon....What size ya need?

The solution is don't hang out with LenJ, MB1, MissM, or any other luggites.


AHEM...yourself included??

AHEM...yourself included??


I am a luggite wannabe. MB1 taunts me on a regular basis. He is actually the devil on a Waterford.


I am building up my Guerciotti as we speak and I do have a very nice lugged Picchio fixed gear.

Too late! And you're an instigator with the Big Leg Emma, she may not have lugs but she is sexy and steel!

Lugs are for slugs.

Yeah, I said it! It rhymes.

i hear ya...my fixie is an early 80s lugged bottecchia (the recent BD incarnation, or whatever, breaks mah hart)

i love that bike. it's what sparked my adult life obsession with bikes....

56.5 TT , I don't want to go any longer. The 57 may be too big.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Trek-957-Campagnolo-Columbus-Tubing-Cinelli_W0QQitemZ170162686644QQihZ007QQcategoryZ98 084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


or


http://cgi.ebay.ca/GAZELLE-Road-Frame-Reynolds-531Cinelli-Stronglight_W0QQitemZ140173270583QQihZ004QQcategor yZ98084QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Actually, I've been thinking about getting this one:

http://www.excelsports.com/image.asp?item=Gios%20Compact%20Pro%20Frame%20with out%20Fork.jpg

I won't go for a trek, lugged or not! If I could only talk my friend out of her Bob Jackson that she doesn't ride anymore.

I won't go for a trek, lugged or not! If I could only talk my friend out of her Bob Jackson that she doesn't ride anymore.

I added another choice - uber-cool for those in the know.

Sell a MAC.

Buy a Waterford.
Lugs, not drugs.

bitten by the lug bug?

The Yellow Jersey, red Pinarello $700? 57cm st, shorter TT, semi horizontal dropouts, beautiful, LUGS. Nuff said (well maybe not but I got to go)

Too late! And you're an instigator with the Big Leg Emma, she may not have lugs but she is sexy and steel!

You are mixing up Bigrider with Bigbill (although I do think they would get along just fine in person).

I think you either like the retro look or you don't. Or you like it well enough to own one among others. I say you should buy what you like to look at because construction method isn't going to make a difference in ride.

There are a lot of interesting options out there ranging from NOS-used on eBay to a nice new Delancy (http://www.somafab.com/delancey.html) or Speedster (http://www.somafab.com/speedster.html) from Soma. Might easily get on something between $400 and $800 and not thus break the bank.

It's an itch I always scratch - why not?

I'd be all over a Speedster if they'd extend the head tube a centimeter or more over the top tube. Or if they offered a threaded fork. They look really nice, and they're not too spendy, neither.

The solution is don't hang out with LenJ, MB1, MissM, or any other luggites.

I sent her RS22 fixte out to be chopped and repainted and put her back on the RS14. It was a week before she noticed she was riding a different bike. :rolleyes:

She only noticed because a hook was empty in the basement.

You are mixing up Bigrider with Bigbill (although I do think they would get along just fine in person).


Yeah, what MB1 said.

Check out R&A Cycles www.racycles.com and look at their clearance section. They have lots of nice Casati frames/forks, all ferrous.

Originally Posted by MB1
You are mixing up Bigrider with Bigbill (although I do think they would get along just fine in person).


I just figured that out. My bad..

I've got one of these in red.





Columbus Neuron tubing in Nivacrom steel. It is the classic frame build with new tubing material (standard diameter tubing).
Original microfusion personalized lugs and fork crown that when combined with chrome fork, head lugs and rear triangle represents the elegance associated with traditional italian hand built works of art.
While traditional in appearance it is light and responsive and a worthwhile extension into what is "new".
The 55 cm frame (chrome and painted) weight approx. 1.730 kg (3.81 lbs).

that Tommasini is georgeous, i'd take that over any carbon Colnago in a heartbeat

You should sell me your Lemond dirt cheap, then you can visit it when we both go on the next DC ride. I'm in Gettysburg, PA but had CX races that coincided with the most recent RBR ride.

Check out R&A Cycles www.racycles.com and look at their clearance section. They have lots of nice Casati frames/forks, all ferrous.

Wow! You weren't kidding. Some of those Casati frames are very nice. Must resist. Luckily (for my wallet) nothing very large with MAX tubes.

And VaughnA, you are CRAZY to pass up the Merckx because the TT is .5cm too long.

Wow! You weren't kidding. Some of those Casati frames are very nice. Must resist. Luckily (for my wallet) nothing very large with MAX tubes.

And VaughnA, you are CRAZY to pass up the Merckx because the TT is .5cm too long.

I'm going to look up the geometry tonight and see how it looks. But it also is a complete bike, I'm looking for just a frame.

Actually, I've been thinking about getting this one:

http://www.excelsports.com/image.asp?item=Gios%20Compact%20Pro%20Frame%20with out%20Fork.jpg

Nice frame, do it!!!

b21

.... MB1 taunts me on a regular basis. He is actually the devil on a Waterford......

You rang?

I can't do this if I sell it 'dirt cheap'. I'm still in the idea stage right now. The Tete is a very nice frame. I'm just wanting something with a bit more soul. The comments here at least tell me I'm not crazy for this idea. I'd love a merckx though. I'm going to check into the prices of many of the frames mentioned and see what the going price is for the Tete. Thanks guys.

http://www.llewellynbikes.com/albums/album37/aaa.sized.jpg

I saw the Llewellyns in the Velonews Buyers Guide. Sweet ride but probably out of my range.

Be careful of older lugged frames.......my experience is that, you have a greater possibility of a noodle. Find out the weight of the owner and how much power they generate and if they get chain rub.......

Len

Be careful of older lugged frames.......my experience is that, you have a greater possibility of a noodle. Find out the weight of the owner and how much power they generate and if they get chain rub.......

Len

Biggest myth in bicycling. No empirical evidence exists to suggest the old steel frame flexing hypothesis.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-materials.html

Biggest myth in bicycling. No empirical evidence exists to suggest the old steel frame flexing hypothesis.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-materials.html

I was very specific in what I said...."my experience is that, you have a greater possibility of a noodle."

Nothing in your post or in Sheldon article counter what I specificially said. I wasn't referring to steel breaking down over time......I was talking about the original flexiness of the original frame. I didn't say all, I said "greater possibility". I've been riding for 35 years and Newer steel bikes have better quality control and are made with much more consistant materials than any bike made 20 or 30 years ago. I'm not suggesting that all older bikes are noodly, just that you have to be careful because more of them were that one would expect if you were used to buying modern bikes.


Len

I'm going at this VERY cautiously. In fact I'm having reservations because of issues such as this with older frames. If I could find a used IF,waterford or equivalent I may go for it but I'm starting to think I'll wait unless I see a great deal. That isn't to say I won't be spending a lot of time in the classifieds and on eBay. If the last year or so is any indication I won't be riding the geared bike that much.

AHEM...yourself included??

check your PMs pls

b21

I'm going at this VERY cautiously. In fact I'm having reservations because of issues such as this with older frames. If I could find a used IF,waterford or equivalent I may go for it but I'm starting to think I'll wait unless I see a great deal. That isn't to say I won't be spending a lot of time in the classifieds and on eBay. If the last year or so is any indication I won't be riding the geared bike that much.

If you are patient and ask the right questions, you'll get a great bike for a great price. Now is a great time of year to be buying.......small demand, large supply.

Check the Seroota Forum classified periodicially....some great deals there & honest sellers.

Len

Biggest myth in bicycling. No empirical evidence exists to suggest the old steel frame flexing hypothesis.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-materials.html


You misunderstood LenJ.

He said beware of a frame that was built a noodle not beware of a frame that turned into a noodle.

My soma es smoothie is a noodle.

That's a place I haven't looked. Thanks for the tip. I think what I've decided is that I'll look for a newer lugged frame.

That's a place I haven't looked. Thanks for the tip. I think what I've decided is that I'll look for a newer lugged frame.

there are PLENTY of older steel frames available at great prices. Just follow Len's advice-do a little homework on quality of construction and lugs. I weigh 215 and have had no problems getting older steel frames as stiff as I need.

You may find this site helpful

http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/columbus/columbuschart.htm

+1 on the Serotta forum, a lot of us hang there a lot. I am constantly surprised how some guys buy and sell frames like water.

b21

under Coppi

usually a few lugged Coppis NOS for around $500 Frame and Fork

yup lugs are for slugs

tell that to all those guys riding C-40s, C-50s, Looks, Calfees......

I was very specific in what I said...."my experience is that, you have a greater possibility of a noodle."

Nothing in your post or in Sheldon article counter what I specificially said. I wasn't referring to steel breaking down over time......I was talking about the original flexiness of the original frame. I didn't say all, I said "greater possibility". I've been riding for 35 years and Newer steel bikes have better quality control and are made with much more consistant materials than any bike made 20 or 30 years ago. I'm not suggesting that all older bikes are noodly, just that you have to be careful because more of them were that one would expect if you were used to buying modern bikes.


Len

I did read your original post, and I do agree with your follow-up clarification, however, my post was prompted by the fact that many people actually believe the steel breakdown theory and your original statement; "Find out the weight of the owner and how much power they generate and if they get chain rub......." certainly implies some notion of fatigue breakdown due to the owners weight and power.

Not what you meant as you subsequently point out, but one could read it that way, since your original statement as clarified is related to poorly built bicycles (of any age), yet doesn't mention initial quality as a factor, only "older".

I did read your original post, and I do agree with your follow-up clarification, however, my post was prompted by the fact that many people actually believe the steel breakdown theory and your original statement; "Find out the weight of the owner and how much power they generate and if they get chain rub......." certainly implies some notion of fatigue breakdown due to the owners weight and power.

Not what you meant as you subsequently point out, but one could read it that way, since your original statement as clarified is related to poorly built bicycles (of any age), yet doesn't mention initial quality as a factor, only "older".

"Find out the weight of the owner and how much power they generate and if they get chain rub......."

Translate into frame breakdown over time?

me thinks you are projecting.

Whatever.

Len

I never once thought about breakdown since I think that the thought of a steel frame getting weaker is bunk. I just figured that like Len said, some may be more flexy than others. Just like every other frame material. And I tend to produce a bit of flex on a BB when I crank up hills (ask Len).

"Find out the weight of the owner and how much power they generate and if they get chain rub......."

Translate into frame breakdown over time?

me thinks you are projecting.

Whatever.

Len

"Find out the weight of the owner and how much power they generate and if they get chain rub....."

Translate into older frames had poor quality control and therefore some may have been poorly built, so make sure you don't buy one that was poorly built.

I think you're projecting as much as I am. (it translates to my intepretation because it implies that the heavier stronger rider may have "worn out" the frame. some people actually believe this.

Whatever as well, this is really not an issue for me.

I'm going at this VERY cautiously. In fact I'm having reservations because of issues such as this with older frames. If I could find a used IF,waterford or equivalent I may go for it but I'm starting to think I'll wait unless I see a great deal. That isn't to say I won't be spending a lot of time in the classifieds and on eBay. If the last year or so is any indication I won't be riding the geared bike that much.

What kind of price range are you considering?

I am contemplating a sale of one of my Waterfords.

What kind of price range are you considering?

I am contemplating a sale of one of my Waterfords.

which one? we could make a series of trades. i have lots of bike stuffz to offer for a good frame.

What kind of price range are you considering?

I am contemplating a sale of one of my Waterfords.

I'm considering another frame from another Loonger but I'd have to sell my Lemond Tete De Course Carbon/Ti to buy it. The price that I'd probably get on eBay is so low I don't think that it is worth it. I'm hoping for a nice Christmas bonus so I could buy it without selling the Tete because I'd really like a nice quality lugged frame.

I've already got two Macs..

I read your post as: LenJ's bikes got me to thinkin..Lust for Jugs and thought how strange....

/my beautiful lugged Pogliaghi is just sitting until I get a 120 stem.....anyone have one laying around they'd like to unload cheap:)

I read your post as: LenJ's bikes got me to thinkin..Lust for Jugs and thought how strange....

/my beautiful lugged Pogliaghi is just sitting until I get a 120 stem.....anyone have one laying around they'd like to unload cheap:)


that Pog, that bike rides beautifully......:thumbsup:

I'm considering another frame from another Loonger but I'd have to sell my Lemond Tete De Course Carbon/Ti to buy it. The price that I'd probably get on eBay is so low I don't think that it is worth it. I'm hoping for a nice Christmas bonus so I could buy it without selling the Tete because I'd really like a nice quality lugged frame.

How much do you want for the Lemond? PM if applicable.

I read your post as: LenJ's bikes got me to thinkin..Lust for Jugs and thought how strange....

/my beautiful lugged Pogliaghi is just sitting until I get a 120 stem.....anyone have one laying around they'd like to unload cheap:)

I probably do, I will check.

What size bars do you want it for -> 26.0 or 26.4 ??

Assume you want a quill stem?

And this is why I try to avoid this forum. I came in here to respond to TF's request for pics of my planted aquarium and I encounter this thread. Of course, that was just after I finished looking over ebay and writing an e-mail to a buddy of mine about how I am thinking about getting a 1985ish Colnago steel frame to transfer the Super Record off of my old, beat up, racing frame from the same era (i.e., I wanted a Colnago back then, but my parents could only afford the Mino Denti frame).

Here is one I am looking at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/FRAME-AND-FORK-COLNAGO-MEXICO-NEW-NOS_W0QQitemZ170165948830QQihZ007QQcategoryZ56197Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here is the other:
http://cgi.ebay.com/COLNAGO-MASTER-FRAME-FORK-WHITE-AZURE-PAINT_W0QQitemZ270183232917QQihZ017QQcategoryZ5619 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Either of which could lead to my wife hitting me with a frying pan across the head, or something even heavier and harder.

wanna onload that super record at a great, lawnje-community price?

:p

Selling both of My macs wouldn't make enough for a Waterford. Besides, when I go custom I'm lusting for a Kirk fixie.

Wow! I like to ride hard but sometimes I like to choose to stop pedaling for whatever reason. Maybe I'll catch on to the fixie bug, but I'm not ready now.

The Super Record and the frame it is on are way too dear to me for me to sell them. Granted, everything has a price, but my price for this bike or any parts on it would be pretty steep. My wife and I got into a little disagreement when she quietly suggested that I ebay my old bike since I got the new one. Kind of like selling a gun that I have been hunting with since I was 8. While I now have better guns and bikes that I use, the old ones still have emotions attached to them. Last winter I replaced the old 165 cranks from my junior spinning days with 170's and I couldn't bring myself to sell the 165's even though I know I will never use them again. Same goes for the old Super Record toe clip pedals that I have sitting in my parts box that were replaced with Looks when Looks first came out in the late 80's.

The Super Record and the frame it is on are way too dear to me for me to sell them. Granted, everything has a price, but my price for this bike or any parts on it would be pretty steep. My wife and I got into a little disagreement when she quietly suggested that I ebay my old bike since I got the new one. Kind of like selling a gun that I have been hunting with since I was 8. While I now have better guns and bikes that I use, the old ones still have emotions attached to them. Last winter I replaced the old 165 cranks from my junior spinning days with 170's and I couldn't bring myself to sell the 165's even though I know I will never use them again. Same goes for the old Super Record toe clip pedals that I have sitting in my parts box that were replaced with Looks when Looks first came out in the late 80's.

you have the love. much respect for you! :thumbsup:

The Super Record and the frame it is on are way too dear to me for me to sell them. Granted, everything has a price, but my price for this bike or any parts on it would be pretty steep. My wife and I got into a little disagreement when she quietly suggested that I ebay my old bike since I got the new one. Kind of like selling a gun that I have been hunting with since I was 8. While I now have better guns and bikes that I use, the old ones still have emotions attached to them. Last winter I replaced the old 165 cranks from my junior spinning days with 170's and I couldn't bring myself to sell the 165's even though I know I will never use them again. Same goes for the old Super Record toe clip pedals that I have sitting in my parts box that were replaced with Looks when Looks first came out in the late 80's.

Is this a cry for help?

I wouldn't think so, unless it is my wife crying for help because of my hobbies. Just got back into racing this past season and between September 2006 and September 2007 I have built a Colnago Cristallo, Colnago Arte, and Colnago Oval Krono all with Campy Record, Zipp wheels, etc. Right now, I am in the process of finishing a Bianchi FG Lite that I bought back in August. It too will be Campy Record with Zipp's on it, but I am also building up some everyday wheels for it.

I have a lot of passion for a couple things. First and foremost is my family. Then, in no particular order there is cycling, hunting, shooting, fishing, aquariums, and dogs. I have loved these things since I was a little kid. Might be because of the exposure my parents gave me to all of them. I remember coming home from watching Star Wars at a drive through to find my dad's hexagonal tank leaking. He had actually built that tank himself. Now, I know better. He also kept angelfish with mollies and tiger barbs and the angelfish kept dying. Now I know better.

Regarding my old frame, I raced on it for 4 years as a junior, and racing was a huge part of my life back then. My dad came to almost all my races, as he did this past year. I won a ton of races on that old bike, went through some pretty nasty wrecks, and almost always came up a tad bit short of a gold medal in districts. Nowadays, I race for fun, but I still want to win.

Another thing that would have an absolutely high selling price for me is my dad's Browning A-5 and his Winchester 101 shotguns. Those are the first 12 gauge shotguns that I got to use, and they were always my dad's main guns until I bought a Beretta 15 years ago and he decided to buy one after that. Nowadays, I despise shooting those older guns for reasons that I will not elaborate upon since most people on this forum wouldn't understand recoil and gun fit. However, I will keep these guns in my safe for as long as I live. The memories that go with them are just too good.

Kind of like my 1989 Mustang GT. Got it when I was 18. Nowadays, I hardly ever take it out from under the cover. Just too much work to drive it and it just doesn't fit in with my life. However, that car will never be sold either. Since I was a little kid, I can remember my dad telling me about his Mustang and how he wished he never sold it. I don't want that to be my story. When I tell my kids how I wrecked my Mustang, or how me and their uncles would be up late modifying our cars, I want to show them the real thing and not pictures.

It is all about passion.

Moved my response to Fabsroman's responses. It was early in the morning

Nowadays, I hardly ever take it out from under the cover. Just too much work to drive it and it just doesn't fit in with my life.
I hope you drive it at least once a month or so, and sometimes on longer trips. Nothing ruins a car like not being driven.

I don't think I'll have a problem regretting getting rid of something, since I keep nearly everything. :)

I wish I had done that so many times in my life. I have almost nothing from any of my hobbies or events of my childhood. I was moved around after my parents divorce and never kept much of anything. One of my passions as a teenager was kayaking, as I mentioned in Dave Hickey's kayak thread, I built my own kayak at 14. But a month later my dad moved us and didn't have room to take it so I left it behind. It still hurts today 30 years later. Keep that stuff if you can. Even before reading your post I'd decided that when I get a lugged frame I'm going to keep my Tete. It was the first really top-of-the line bike I've owned and I just get a hole in my stomach when I think about selling it.

PS.. Welcome to the Odd World of the Lounge. You have been assimilated!

Nope, haven't driven it in a year, and believe me, I do understand that nothing ruins a car like letting it sit. However, I just do not have the time. Maybe in a year or two after we have a house and everything settles down a little. Heck, I might be catching up with my work, so maybe I'll have some time then. Then again, I'd probably be out riding or hunting instead of driving the car. Too many choices, too little time.

Vaughn,

We aren't starving, and I cannot forsee that happening, so I'll be keeping everything. We are pretty cautious about our debt situation (i.e., we only owe on our townhouse mortgage and we pay $1,000 extra a month on it), so we don't really stress over money too much.

I probably do, I will check.

What size bars do you want it for -> 26.0 or 26.4 ??

Assume you want a quill stem?

you know I don't know, bar is an ITM...I think it's 26.4...the gnoccia stem I have on is beautiful, but at 140, it stretches me out too much.....I'll double check and let you know

Thanks!

/yes, quill