in the Middle East.

Musharref suspends Constitution, sends troops in the streets (http://apnews.excite.com/article/20071103/D8SMG92G0.html)

can't you just feel it? that flowering democracy?

over there as a trial balloon for over here

in the Middle East.

Musharref suspends Constitution, sends troops in the streets (http://apnews.excite.com/article/20071103/D8SMG92G0.html)

can't you just feel it? that flowering democracy?

Saddam must be rolling in his grave.

in the Middle East.

Musharref suspends Constitution, sends troops in the streets (http://apnews.excite.com/article/20071103/D8SMG92G0.html)

can't you just feel it? that flowering democracy?


seven supreme court judges there who were going to rule AGAINST his power grab mysteriously disappeared today...There was a lot of thought, EVEN with our current admin that this might happen. No one was happy when he took over in 99. Especially as he not only became president, but remained the Top General of the Pakistani Military. It was a coup waiting for a time....and the time has apparently come.

over there as a trial balloon for over here

I loved this quote:

The United States "does not support extraconstitutional measures," Rice said from Turkey, where she was participating in a conference with Iraq's neighbors.

George W. Bush, responded to himself as he read this quote:

"But we sure are working hard to define just what extraconstitutional means."

seven supreme court judges there who were going to rule AGAINST his power grab mysteriously disappeared today...There was a lot of thought, EVEN with our current admin that this might happen. No one was happy when he took over in 99. Especially as he not only became president, but remained the Top General of the Pakistani Military. It was a coup waiting for a time....and the time has apparently come.

I spent yesterday quail hunting and am not really sure about what took place but just to comment on your post here, I think the coup took place in '99. What was in place was an uneasy truce with militant Islamists and the previous democratic structure was left in place. The military was always in the wings to insure that the coup retained power. The recent push to have open elections, bringing back opposition leadership strained the situation to the breaking point and it broke. Not taking sides, just an observation. I do believe that we are better served with Musharrif in control but the whole damned thing could yet explode and who can be sure where the fallout, figurative and actual, might land?

Dick didn't shoot you in the face?

Dick didn't shoot you in the face?

How in the world do YOU hunt quail? :)

How in the world do YOU hunt quail? :)


ROTFLMAO...POST OF THE YEAR......HAHAHAHAHA...:thumbsup:

and the democracy just keeps on coming.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/04/pakistan/index.html

The prime minister said that up to 500 people had been arrested so far in a round-up of judges, lawyers and political activists. Among the political activists arrested is Gen. Hameed Gull, the former head of the ISI, the Pakistani intelligence service, police officials told CNN.

Dubai-based GEO television showed live footage of Gull being apprehended as he attempted to meet some of the seven Supreme Court judges placed under house arrest Saturday after refusing to endorse the president's decision to suspend the constitution.

"There have been 400 to 500 preventative arrests in the country," Aziz told a news conference in Islamabad.

Media and police sources say 1,500 opposition figures from Pakistan's military, judiciary and political sectors have been detained.

If OldEdScott were here he might suggest that.

Freedom is on the March.

in the Middle East.

Musharref suspends Constitution, sends troops in the streets (http://apnews.excite.com/article/20071103/D8SMG92G0.html)

can't you just feel it? that flowering democracy?

Last time I checked Pakistan was not in the ME.

I love the term "preventative arrest." Sounds like something the Bush Administration would come up with. Where is Tom Cruise when you need him?

Last time I checked Pakistan was not in the ME.

Where did you check?

Because....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East

I was just listening to the news on the radio, and heard Bush talking about this. Essentially he said, we don't condone it, but he could see why he did it because Islamists were trying to take over Pakistan, and then they could launch attacks on the US if they bad guys took over. Hmm, sounds like Bush would say that martial law is OK, if you think someone is out to get you out of office. Power grab by Musharef (sp??) is what this appears to be, I mean, more than even before. Hey, Supreme Court not ruling how you like it, arrest them, and declare the Constitution out of order. I'm betting W wishes he could do this. Sort of like how Rudy suggested not having elections right after 9/11. Good times over there, our allies, letting freedom ring and all, but as the elections by the Palestinians showed us, democracy is considered great by the US, as long as you elect the right people, and if not, then screw you guys, democracy sucks!

I was just listening to the news on the radio, and heard Bush talking about this. Essentially he said, we don't condone it, but he could see why he did it because Islamists were trying to take over Pakistan, and then they could launch attacks on the US if they bad guys took over. Hmm, sounds like Bush would say that martial law is OK, if you think someone is out to get you out of office. Power grab by Musharef (sp??) is what this appears to be, I mean, more than even before. Hey, Supreme Court not ruling how you like it, arrest them, and declare the Constitution out of order. I'm betting W wishes he could do this. Sort of like how Rudy suggested not having elections right after 9/11. Good times over there, our allies, letting freedom ring and all, but as the elections by the Palestinians showed us, democracy is considered great by the US, as long as you elect the right people, and if not, then screw you guys, democracy sucks!

Oh for crying out loud, there is nothing about what he said that can get you to your conclusions except the extreme prejudice you harbor against anyone who doesn't think the same way you do.

funny how Musharref isn't sending troops into the tribal regions, where those militants, including Osama bin laden and the rest of Al Qaeda dwell, plot and carry out attacks.

Instead, he's focused on rounding up everyone who might stand in opposition to his rule. strange way to fight Islamic extremists, if you ask me. Unless he's another one of those "you're either with us or against us" guys.

I was just listening to the news on the radio, and heard Bush talking about this. Essentially he said, we don't condone it, but he could see why he did it because Islamists were trying to take over Pakistan, and then they could launch attacks on the US if they bad guys took over. Hmm, sounds like Bush would say that martial law is OK, if you think someone is out to get you out of office. Power grab by Musharef (sp??) is what this appears to be, I mean, more than even before. Hey, Supreme Court not ruling how you like it, arrest them, and declare the Constitution out of order. I'm betting W wishes he could do this. Sort of like how Rudy suggested not having elections right after 9/11. Good times over there, our allies, letting freedom ring and all, but as the elections by the Palestinians showed us, democracy is considered great by the US, as long as you elect the right people, and if not, then screw you guys, democracy sucks!

does one get from thousands to passively protesting Pakistani lawyers to "islamists taking over the country"...? seems like a bit of a jump..
these people welcomed back democratic reform leader Bhutto a few weeks ago..witnessed a democratic leader enter back into the country after Musharref's coup...then any such momentum was SQUASHED by Mushie when he sees a political shift he doesn't like...
sounds a lot like...well...our current White House.

Oh for crying out loud, there is nothing about what he said that can get you to your conclusions except the extreme prejudice you harbor against anyone who doesn't think the same way you do.

Go back, read what I wrote. I can argue with people who don't agree with me, and I can accept their points of view as their own. I don't have to like it. What in my post indicates that I harbor extreme prejudice? Against Bush, yeah, more than likely, because he's screwed up, well, so many things. That he even gave Musharef an "out" for what he's done shows that indeed, he doesn't care about freedom, and he doesn't care about Pakistan. What he does care about is that Mush stays in power.

I'm more than willing to bet old Bush boy thought more than a few times that life would be easier for him if he didn't have Congress, and the Supreme Court to deal with, not that either of those have stopped him from you know, not following the Constitution and things like that. I mean, it's almost like he does exactly what he wants, regardless of what the law says. Oh wait, he does do that.

Snake, you're reading way too much into what I wrote. I don't agree with you, hardly ever, and I don't think you're a bad fellow, and harbor no ill will towards you. Bush, yes. Other normal people who aren't leaders of the free world, nope, not at all.

does one get from thousands to passively protesting Pakistani lawyers to "islamists taking over the country"...? seems like a bit of a jump..
these people welcomed back democratic reform leader Bhutto a few weeks ago..witnessed a democratic leader enter back into the country after Musharref's coup...then any such momentum was SQUASHED by Mushie when he sees a political shift he doesn't like...
sounds a lot like...well...our current White House.

This is what Bush was saying. I will say though, that there is a high rate of fairly fundamental Islam followers in Pakistan. They are one military coup away from being a majority fundamentalist country with actual real live nuclear weapons. But, the protests this week are far away from that. I agree with you there.

Mushie doesn't want to cede any power at all. Funny that Bush is calling for him to step down as the leader of the Pakistani Army. Maybe Bush should do that here.

I also heard Mushie talking, and he was invoking Lincoln, yes, Abraham Lincoln, to say that the things he did this week were just like what Lincoln did during the Civil War.