Huckabee declared GOP winner, and a virtual tie between Obama, Clinton & Edwards. It seems like there are no knock-outs to the top contenders as far as the national race. There's still a 4-way race in the GOP -- Huck, McCain, Romney & Guilani, at least for now, and a three-way Dem race with Obama, Clinton & Edwards surviving and contending.

Obama is now leading by a bit. There could be some real damage if Edwards beats Clinton.

Now to see how these early results hold out.

How could anyone with more than one braincell vote for Huckabee? It is amazing to me that he could get 34% of the Republican vote.

Len

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How could anyone with more than one braincell vote for Huckabee? It is amazing to me that he could get 34% of the Republican vote.

Len
Because his running-mate is the J-C.

How could anyone with more than one braincell vote for Huckabee? It is amazing to me that he could get 34% of the Republican vote.

Len



I'm surprised that you're surprised by this. I think it's very, very telling.

How could anyone with more than one braincell vote for Huckabee? It is amazing to me that he could get 34% of the Republican vote.

Len

It's them mean old Christians. First thing you know they'll be praying in schools and like that. The country is doomed, doomed I tell ya.

MSNBC homepage has a link that says "Analysis: For Iowa GOP, it's head vs. hearts." With Huck's win I guess we know how the Iowa GOP went...

It's them mean old Christians. First thing you know they'll be praying in schools and like that. The country is doomed, doomed I tell ya.

and them women will be back in the kitchen where they all belong......

and those gays & lesbians will go back in the closet where they belong.....such depravity......

and we'll scale back seperation of church and state.

Yea, I can see why people like him.......I'm just worried about what kind of people.

Len

It's them mean old Christians. First thing you know they'll be praying in schools and like that. The country is doomed, doomed I tell ya.

Do you mean the christians that like the label.....

or the ones who actually follow Christs teachings?

I'd agree with you if you mean the former....the country is doomed.

Len

and them women will be back in the kitchen where they all belong......

and those gays & lesbians will go back in the closet where they belong.....such depravity......

and we'll scale back seperation of church and state.

Yea, I can see why people like him.......I'm just worried about what kind of people.

Len

Back to the dark ages I guess. Might's well be mooslims.

Back to the dark ages I guess. Might's well be mooslims.

Ironic how conflicts highlight more of our similarities than our differences.

Len

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Do you mean the christians that like the label.....

or the ones who actually follow Christs teachings?

I'd agree with you if you mean the former....the country is doomed.

Len

I think it should be a wakeup call for all the candidates on both sides. However you see this segment of American society, it has political clout and ignoring them isn't a really smart political move. Smart politicians would find some common ground with some issues and try to splinter the block. The kind of rhetoric we see used to refer to them here only serves to strengthen the bonds between those who cannot be turned and those who would be willing to listen to real options.

crazy high turnout in my precinct, at least on the dem side. I threw my lot in with Dodd to reward him for his FISA veto and would have swung to Obama had it been helpful but as I was the lone Dodd-ite my vote was, as the mayor told me "meaningless-you've got no leverage". lol. at least one of the 2 that I'd have supported won.

I think it should be a wakeup call for all the candidates on both sides. However you see this segment of American society, it has political clout and ignoring them isn't a really smart political move. Smart politicians would find some common ground with some issues and try to splinter the block. The kind of rhetoric we see used to refer to them here only serves to strengthen the bonds between those who cannot be turned and those who would be willing to listen to real options.

I don't disagree......and the dems are parading at least 2 candidates that will guarantee raising their Ire.

But then again you don't negotiate with terrorists (or extortionsists).:p

Always interesting.

I'll be more interested to see if he and his history can stand the scrutiny of the frontrunner....something tells me he can't.

I don't see the Rel. Right lining up behind Romney or Guiliani...so if Huckabee fades...who do they back?

Len

I think it should be a wakeup call for all the candidates on both sides. However you see this segment of American society, it has political clout and ignoring them isn't a really smart political move. Smart politicians would find some common ground with some issues and try to splinter the block. The kind of rhetoric we see used to refer to them here only serves to strengthen the bonds between those who cannot be turned and those who would be willing to listen to real options.


As long as guns are legal, I'm not too worried about them.

How could anyone with more than one braincell vote for Huckabee? It is amazing to me that he could get 34% of the Republican vote.
I have to say, on a theoretical level I am really excited about how the voting turned out for a few reasons - 1: Huckabee was a dark horse who didn't really spend a ton of money in Iowa, and while the whole "votes can't be bought" rhetoric is a little cheesy, I think it's an important trend in this world of mass media and spiffy marketing for voters to be able to look beyond the deep pocket spending and make educated decisions, and 2: 10 years ago would Obama have even had a chance? I'm not so sure, but it's heartening to see him doing so well. As much as I wouldn't vote for Hillary, it's heartening to see a woman with so much support also. The democratic primaries are shaping up to be an interesting race, and I'm looking forward to casting my absentee FL ballot.

I have to say, on a theoretical level I am really excited about how the voting turned out for a few reasons - 1: Huckabee was a dark horse who didn't really spend a ton of money in Iowa, and while the whole "votes can't be bought" rhetoric is a little cheesy, I think it's an important trend in this world of mass media and spiffy marketing for voters to be able to look beyond the deep pocket spending and make educated decisions, and 2: 10 years ago would Obama have even had a chance? I'm not so sure, but it's heartening to see him doing so well. As much as I wouldn't vote for Hillary, it's heartening to see a woman with so much support also. The democratic primaries are shaping up to be an interesting race, and I'm looking forward to casting my absentee FL ballot.

big dumb voting bloc

Go MIke!!!!!!!

maybe this time they'll stop men from kissing!!!!!

I don't disagree......and the dems are parading at least 2 candidates that will guarantee raising their Ire.

But then again you don't negotiate with terrorists (or extortionsists).:p

Always interesting.

I'll be more interested to see if he and his history can stand the scrutiny of the frontrunner....something tells me he can't.

I don't see the Rel. Right lining up behind Romney or Guiliani...so if Huckabee fades...who do they back?

Len

McCain. I listened to Edwards speech and Huckabee's and there was a real contrast. Edwards was a trial lawyer against the evil big business. Divisive. Huckabee's message was hope and unity. I am revising my opinion, maybe he can actually win and unlike Bush, he can speak and appeal to people. He is a dangerous man to take for granted.

McCain. I listened to Edwards speech and Huckabee's and there was a real contrast. Edwards was a trial lawyer against the evil big business. Divisive. Huckabee's message was hope and unity. I am revising my opinion, maybe he can actually win and unlike Bush, he can speak and appeal to people. He is a dangerous man to take for granted.

and making 2 major foreign policy "duhs' in the lead up to the election I think you picked yourself another winner

..to be made about the God fearing Iowan Republicans choosing a man of the cloth and their counterparts in Iraq following Muhammad Al Sadr. He's going to school to become an Ayatollah, to upgrade his spiritual credentials, the news reported last week. Are many Americans longing for a spiritual leader in the White House? So much for separation of church and state.

and making 2 major foreign policy "duhs' in the lead up to the election I think you picked yourself another winner

I'm not picking him, but the folks that seem inclined that way have a better track record than the ones that have been choosing yours.

No matter what the results, the big dumb voting bloc argument could be made - especially if Romney came out as the front runner. C'mon, you've got something better than that.

I think it would be good if McCain could garner those votes if Huckabee fades, but from what I can tell, he'd basically have to admit to being a closet satanist right now for the "religious right" to find fault with him.

Face it: this has been a powerful powerful voting block in the past two elections, whether we agree with the basis or not.

For me, being from the fine state of Alabama, one of the reddest of the red states, I will do ANYTHING to keep another southern man from being appointed president. Yes, I said appointed. GWB didn't win the popular vote in the past two elections. He was appointed by a court in 2000, and Kerry stepped in his own poop enough to guarantee 4 more 4 years back.

Why do I not want another southerner in the white house you ask? Let me count the reasons---Carter, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2. Mr. Reagan was the last non-southern president, and most folks felt this country was in good hands during that time. There again, I was 5 when he was elected to office.....Everything seemed good back then huh :D
"Cold war? Is that like a snowball fight?" :D

If I can't have Romney, then I'll take Obama. I don't vote a straight ticket, nor do I vote for party affiliations. I vote for the lesser of evils.

McCain. I listened to Edwards speech and Huckabee's and there was a real contrast. Edwards was a trial lawyer against the evil big business. Divisive. Huckabee's message was hope and unity. I am revising my opinion, maybe he can actually win and unlike Bush, he can speak and appeal to people. He is a dangerous man to take for granted.

I wouldn't qualify it by only incuding those that take him for granted.

As to McCain......I'm confident he will shoot himself in the foot again......and again.

Len

Yale Men who spent most their lives in the NE. Born in the NE
Skull and Bones and all.

they only play dress up as cowboys

crazy high turnout in my precinct, at least on the dem side.

I think turn out was +70% over 2004 on the D side. The young voters turned out huge, like no one expected, and went heavily Obama. Edwards DID pick up a lot of 2nd place action, but the new voters took Obama over the top.

Rudy and McCain pretty much bypassed Iowa because they have accurately concluded that winning Iowa doesn’t mean much. Hillary did the same thing on the Democrat side. Instead, Rudy and McCain are concentrating their money and efforts on the upcoming delegate rich states scheduled for the next few weeks. That’s a smart strategy on their part.

So, this left Huck and Romney to fight for Iowa. They are both loser candidates but Huck is less of a loser than Romney. So, Huck wins. In the end, Iowa doesn’t mean anything. Both Huck and Obama will be smothered by the other candidates during the upcoming weeks.

:idea:

No matter what the results, the big dumb voting bloc argument could be made - especially if Romney came out as the front runner. C'mon, you've got something better than that.

they make up 50% of the Con vote
25% of the national


Huckabee as shown himself to be on the 'not too informed, not too bright' side of the equation
Romney has shown he's akin to a flip flopping used car dealer

they finished 1-2 because they are 'men of god'

sadly it really is that simple

Hillary did the same thing on the Democrat side.


how did you reach this conclusion? she bought a ton of air time in my part of the state.

It's them mean old Christians. First thing you know they'll be praying in schools and like that. The country is doomed, doomed I tell ya.

last eight years of supposedly neo-con leadership has got us right where we are now...
pleading for someone else. maybe a collective realization that leadership through God ain't the most affective way a doin' thangs...

how did you reach this conclusion? she bought a ton of air time in my part of the state.


She did, but it was still a half-hearted pursuit on her part. Bill did worse in Iowa in 92. During the last few months, Hillary has spent much of her time and money in other states, specifically in the South. She didn't blow off Iowa as Rudy or McCain had done but she didn't bet the house on it either.

:idea:

She did, but it was still a half-hearted pursuit on her part. Bill did worse in Iowa in 92. During the last few months, Hillary has spent much of her time and money in other states, specifically in the South. She didn't blow off Iowa as Rudy or McCain had done but she didn't bet the house on it either.

:idea:

Im still not buying it. her biggest asset since september or so has been her inevitability. that's all gone this morning. IMO, she had to win here to get the big mo™ going into NH. she wins here, she wins there, she wins in SC. now...if she loses NH, Obama will win SC and it turns into a blowout.

most people think the country was in good hands with Clinton. Economic statistics would tend to bear that out.

Huckabee's the frontrunner, but I think the Repub party elders will kneecap him much the same way the Dems did Dean. It's ok to pander to the Christian fundies, and another thing entirely to give one of them the key to the castle. Plus, Huck's "not one of them", he's one of them low-class southern rednecks, like Clinton. And we all know what the Washington establishment thought about him.

"He came in here and trashed the place. And it's not his place"-David Broder

Can't have good ol' boy Huck coming in and upsetting the folks who really run the place.

they make up 50% of the Con vote
25% of the national


Huckabee as shown himself to be on the 'not too informed, not too bright' side of the equation
Romney has shown he's akin to a flip flopping used car dealer

they finished 1-2 because they are 'men of god'

sadly it really is that simple

something like 6/10 Repub caucus goers were Christian fundies. and went about 50% for Huck.

last eight years of supposedly neo-con leadership has got us right where we are now...
pleading for someone else. maybe a collective realization that leadership through God ain't the most affective way a doin' thangs...

I think you can gear up for another 4 years.

most people think the country was in good hands with Clinton. Economic statistics would tend to bear that out.

Huckabee's the frontrunner, but I think the Repub party elders will kneecap him much the same way the Dems did Dean. It's ok to pander to the Christian fundies, and another thing entirely to give one of them the key to the castle. Plus, Huck's "not one of them", he's one of them low-class southern rednecks, like Clinton. And we all know what the Washington establishment thought about him.

"He came in here and trashed the place. And it's not his place"-David Broder

Can't have good ol' boy Huck coming in and upsetting the folks who really run the place.

Huckabee doesn't cowtow to big business either--more of an old school conservative in that way--for that alone he will never make it.