View Full Version : So will Obama become a hypocrite?


Live Steam
02-18-2008, 07:35 PM
It seems he made a pact last year with McCain that if each became their parties nominee for president, they would forgo fundraising and use public funding only, for their campaign run for president. Does his word matter to get your vote?

Obama's No-Win On Financing

A year ago, at the beginning of his bid to secure the clean-up-Washington mantle, Barack Obama made a pact with John McCain that, if the two were to be their party's nominees, each would accept public financing for the general election. That agreement sounded far-fetched: At the time, McCain was in the middle of his high-profile free-fall in the polls, while Obama trailed Hillary Clinton by wide margins in virtually every poll.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politics_nation/ObamaDerry.jpg
<center>Obama, pictured in Derry, New
Hampshire, in January, now faces
a difficult choice</center>
Now, McCain is virtually the nominee-in-waiting. By his campaign's count, he has already surpassed the necessary threshold of delegates needed to win the GOP convention in St. Paul. Obama, too, is close to winning his side. He has Clinton against a wall; she needs wins in key states of Ohio and Texas in order to keep her campaign afloat. The scenario that the two candidates who most talk about reforming Washington will actually face each other in November looks more than possible, it looks probable. Obama's own success has forced him to make a choice that opens him to attack either way. Both of his opponents, smelling potential weakness, are already hammering him, pushing him to make the choice that would give McCain a much better position from which to win the presidency.
After raising $32 million in January and about $100 million in 2007, Obama proved he can build a campaign warchest unlike any the American electorate has seen before. If he continued to raise the amount he achieved in January, Obama would have raised an additional $300 million this year, more than $100 million above John Kerry's spending in 2004. There is reason to assume that, once Obama clinches the nomination, his pace would actually pick up.
McCain, on the other hand, has never been seen as a strong fundraiser. He fell far short of his $100 million goal for 2007, raising just $40 million and ending the year with $1.5 million more in debt than he had in the bank. While his fundraising, as the nominee, will ramp up, it is reasonable to assume that, both because of McCain's slow pace and Obama's success, the Democratic candidate would have a giant financing edge over the Republican.
So McCain has something fairly significant vested in making sure both candidates stick to public financing. If they don't, Obama would be able to outspend him by leaps and bounds. If they do, McCain has a level playing field. In fact, given that the Republican National Committee has consistently outraised the Democratic National Committee, McCain would even be at something of an advantage, as the RNC could outspend its Democratic counterparts to better define the young senator.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politics_nation/McCainNash.jpg
<center>McCain, seen here celebrating his
New Hampshire victory,
benefits either way</center>
McCain has spent much of the last several days lambasting Obama's waffling on the promise. As Democrats have done to him in recent weeks, so McCain has begun targeting Obama with verbal shots, offering a preview of the general election to come, should they face off. "I expect Senator Obama to keep his word to the American people as well. This is all about a commitment that we made to the American people," McCain said in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, on Friday, according to the Associated Press (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE2JCSH5p9r2GBkQWS9TWAMzmuvQD8URCDHG0). Clinton, on the other hand, made no such financing promise. Instead, she has based much of her campaign on the notion that she is the more electable candidate, and were she to face McCain, she would revel in her ability to outpace the Republican in fundraising. Her argument against Obama on public financing will likely be two-fold, and the first stage is already well underway.
"Last year, Senator Obama pledged to take public financing in the general election if the Republican nominee agreed to do so as well," Clinton communications ace Howard Wolfson said in a statement today, ahead of a conference call focused on the same issue. "Unfortunately, he broke that pledge this week. It now appears that Senator Obama made a promise to the American people that he is not keeping."
But the call for Obama to keep his word is a thinly-veiled trap. Should he do so, Clinton's electability argument will take on a new sense of purpose. If Obama is the nominee, she should argue, he will offer Republicans an opportunity to win. If she is the nominee, she can make the case to primary voters, she will show Republicans no mercy, making her the more electable candidate.
Obama faces two choices: First, he can take public financing, save some face now and open himself to new, stronger attacks on his electability from Clinton while providing McCain an even playing field. Second, he can back out and take a few weeks of assault from McCain and Clinton for going back on his word.
While financing a campaign is an issue few voters care about, choosing the second scenario could potentially cost him votes in a primary election. Choosing the first could risk the general election itself by giving McCain a chance Obama doesn't have to provide. The question cynics in his campaign have to answer: Do they really want to change the way politics works, or do they really want to win? The answer to that question will determine their choice on public financing.
Then again, if they decide they would rather change politics and increase their chances of losing in November, some Democrats, in February, March and April, could decide they would really rather just win.



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Len J
02-18-2008, 07:40 PM
Doesn't seem like he has to do this until he wins the nomination......which is what he pledged.

It's interesting to me how loud the republican rhetoric against Obama has gotten in the last few weeks. Do I smell fear in the air?

Len

Live Steam
02-18-2008, 07:44 PM
No fear. Just pointing to the train wreck that's about to occur.

So does his word matter? Should he keep to it or just use the money 'cause he can?

blackhat
02-18-2008, 07:48 PM
as I understand it, he didn't make a "pact" with mccain. heres what he said:

"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

interpret that as you wish, but it's not a pledge to do anything than "aggressively pursue an agreement".

Live Steam
02-18-2008, 07:52 PM
So if McCain agrees, what have we?

bigbill
02-18-2008, 08:07 PM
It doesn't matter. Hillary will trail in pledged delegates and popular vote but use superdelegates to take the nomination. The Obama supporters now feeling disenfranchised will take their enthusiasm and go home. The Hillary haters will come on in full force and she will only capture 45% of the popular vote and lose to McCain. Probably.

Live Steam
02-18-2008, 08:19 PM
Yeah that's sort of how I see this playing out too. I think Obama is starting to really scare people and for good reason. The Clintons will call in their chips - remember all thos FBI files? Not all of them were republican's files.

Jesse D Smith
02-18-2008, 08:43 PM
Doesn't seem like he has to do this until he wins the nomination......which is what he pledged.

It's interesting to me how loud the republican rhetoric against Obama has gotten in the last few weeks. Do I smell fear in the air?

Len

I'm hoping this forum is a microcosm of the general electorate, where rhetoric is embraced by by a minority in a losing effort.

dr hoo
02-19-2008, 02:54 AM
as I understand it, he didn't make a "pact" with mccain. heres what he said:

"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

interpret that as you wish, but it's not a pledge to do anything than "aggressively pursue an agreement".

Yep, he said he will try to get an agreement. Seek.

An McCain is really two faced on public financing as it is, given that he took it, but did not spend it, in order to secure a loan in the primary. Talk about hypocritical! Especially from the "campaign finance reformer". http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/mccain_campaign_banked_on_taxp.php

Republicans lie about what someone said. Shocking! Shocking that a "straight shooter" like McCain would do that, shocking that steam is once again passing along all the RTPs.

walleyeangler
02-19-2008, 03:41 AM
It doesn't matter. Hillary will trail in pledged delegates and popular vote but use superdelegates to take the nomination. The Obama supporters now feeling disenfranchised will take their enthusiasm and go home. The Hillary haters will come on in full force and she will only capture 45% of the popular vote and lose to McCain. Probably.

That is wishful thinking at its best. I see the conservative Christians already folding their tents and staying home. They see no advantage in McCain. No real commitment on his part to overturn Rowe by Supreme Court nomination. Likely, he would select middle of the roaders. (And, that's not a bad thing.) But McCain fails to ignite the the right religious freaks that have put the moron in office two times in a row. Obama or Clinton will sail in on the anti-Bush anybody-who-will-change-things, anybody but a Republican sentiment. That's how I see it playing out.

What the anti-Dems are failing to account for is that the Democrats in polls are pretty much equally satisfied whoever the nominee is. There is damn little difference in their commitment to get out of Iraq and fix the economy. The party will come together and turn out for whoever the nominee is to stop the bleeding, both literally and figuratively.

Reynolds531
02-19-2008, 06:05 AM
It seems he made a pact last year with McCain that if each became their parties nominee for president, they would forgo fundraising and use public funding only, for their campaign run for president. Does his word matter to get your vote?

Obama has a very easy and elegant way out. he simply makes the correct assertation that he has changed the way the Presidential campiagns are financed. He has shown that a candidate can raise all the money necessary from individual contributors making small donations. No one can say he is selling out to donors giving $200 a pop. The campaign financing now is not the same as campaign financing was when he made the pledge. He then can turn around and challenge McCain and Hillary to reject big PAC money and special interest money. Not a boken promise at all, but a response to a very positive change that he has produced.