John Podhoretz says it pretty well here. They are self-aggrandizing and hypocritical. I mean how bad is this nation when they are running for the highest office in the land?
She Said What? (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/2541)

John Podhoretz (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/category/contentions/?author_name=jpodhoretz) - 02.18.2008 - 17:27 Michelle Obama today said that (http://www.breitbart.tv/html/49244.html) “for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction.”
Really proud of her country for the first time? Michelle Obama is 44 years old. She has been an adult since 1982. Can it really be there has not been a moment during that time when she felt proud of her country? Forget matters like the victory in the Cold War; how about only things that have made liberals proud — all the accomplishments of inclusion? How about the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1991? Or Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s elevation to the Supreme Court? Or Carol Moseley Braun’s election to the Senate in 1998? How about the merely humanitarian, like this country’s startling generosity to the victims of the tsunami? I’m sure commenters can think of hundreds more landmarks of this sort. Didn’t she even get a twinge from, say, the Olympics?
Mrs. Obama was speaking at a campaign rally, so it is easy to assume she was merely indulging in hyperbole. Even so, it is very revealing.
It suggests, first, that the pseudo-messianic nature of the Obama candidacy is very much a part of the way the Obamas themselves are feeling about it these days. If they don’t get a hold of themselves, the family vanity is going to swell up to the size of Phileas Fogg’s hot-air balloon and send the two of them soaring to heights of self-congratulatory solipsism that we’ve never seen before.
Second, it suggests the Obama campaign really does have its roots in New Class leftism, according to which patriotism is not only the last refuge of a scoundrel, but the first refuge as well — that America is not fundamentally good but flawed, but rather fundamentally flawed and only occasionally good. There’s something for John McCain to work with here.
And third, that Michelle Obama — from the middle-class South Shore neighborhood of Chicago, Princeton 85, Harvard Law 88, associate at Sidley and Austin, and eventually a high-ranking official at the University of Chicago — may not be proud of her country, but her life, like her husband’s, gives me every reason to be even prouder of the United States.

John Podhoretz says it pretty well here. They are self-aggrandizing and hypocritical. I mean how bad is this nation when they are running for the highest office in the land?

Pretty clear that the republicans are pooping their pants at the prospect of having to go up against obama in the fall. If they weren't the dirt would be flying against clinton, and they would keep their powder dry for after the nomination.

They are both lighteningrods. Either will be polarizing as well. Neither can win because of this. No fear really.

Pretty clear that the republicans are pooping their pants at the prospect of having to go up against obama in the fall. If they weren't the dirt would be flying against clinton, and they would keep their powder dry for after the nomination.


I was thinking the same thing. The Repubs have been salivating at the thought of throwing the poop at another Clinton and seem to be caught rather short handed when it comes to dirt on Obama. But I know they will give it a valiant try and we can expect more of the same as Steam has been machine gun posting. :thumbsup:

Pretty clear that the republicans are pooping their pants at the prospect of having to go up against obama in the fall. If they weren't the dirt would be flying against clinton, and they would keep their powder dry for after the nomination.


Hell, I agree, I just sent the Obama campaign a donation, and have volunteered to help campaign for him in the spring and fall. All of the crazy mutterings from the lunatics on the right have convinced me that maybe he is the real deal, otherwise they wouldn't be so worked up by him.:thumbsup:

They are both lighteningrods. Either will be polarizing as well. Neither can win because of this. No fear really.

Now that is an absolute truth that is being totally overlooked in the feel good fervor.

Hang in their Steamy, don't show weakness or fear. :)

i would rather see less talk about pride, patriotism, change and hope. a presidency is not based on "feelings" and "change" or any other slogan.
i want to know what's possible and what's not possible.
everything else is BS.

John Podhoretz says it pretty well here. They are self-aggrandizing and hypocritical. I mean how bad is this nation when they are running for the highest office in the land?


One of the quickest paths to an Obama Presidency is to have the Republicans attempt to attack Michelle Obama. If you've ever watched her in an interview, you now that she can more than handle anything thrown at her.

Pretty clear that the republicans are pooping their pants at the prospect of having to go up against obama in the fall. If they weren't the dirt would be flying against clinton, and they would keep their powder dry for after the nomination.

Yup...it says something to me when the freepers are railing against Obama rather than their old punching bag the Clintons.

i would rather see less talk about pride, patriotism, change and hope. a presidency is not based on "feelings" and "change" or any other slogan.
i want to know what's possible and what's not possible.
everything else is BS.

How do you think GW won 2 elections? It was totally based on feelings and so called morals and patriotism rather than results. Be realistic. These things win elections these days whether you like it or not.

I’m really looking forward to a McCain Obama matchup. The Republicans are going to tear Obama apart like a pack of wolves going after a sheep. Obama and his wife got affirmative actioned through college and law school with free tuition and lower admissions standards. If anyone should be patriotic it should be these two.

Despite what polls are reflecting these days, Hillary would IMO be a stronger candidate against McCain for several reasons. First, there is the prejudice factor. Let’s face it. Prejudice towards blacks is still wide spread. It’s ugly and unacceptable but it still exists and it shows up in the voting booths. Second, there is a significant appeal among Americans for a woman president. Many moderate and conservative wives would vote for Hillary in the private confines of a voting booth. They can identify with a working woman like Hillary who has a family and a career. This is a factor that is not easily measured in polls since a wife with a conservative husband isn’t likely to admit that she may vote for Hillary. Third, Hillary has a strong political machine that is as strong and effective as the Republican machine. Obama relies mostly on his rhetoric to make his case. When the Republicans get through with Obama, he will have an a$$h0le about as big as a soccer ball.

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same statements were made about JFK and even Bill Clinton to some degree, great orators have always had a historic advantage in presidential elections. Hell, even Lincoln who was thought to be the underdog, won, for the most part due to his extraordinary oratory skills. Obama can motivate people, his speeches resonate with a great many americans, both liberals, and like myself, moderate conservatives.:thumbsup:

Your statement about women is wrong on many levels. MOST of the women I know, don't like Hillary, usually for reasons they cannot articulate, but they just don't like her. Women, as a general rule, are catty, and to think they will vote for another women simply cause of her gender is shortsighted.

PLUS, Hillary's only real advantage in the general election is that she has been vetted. Obama, not so much yet. But, IMO, Obama wins the nomination, and McCain will be a lameduck candidate. Too bad for him, but the RNC is basically offering him up as a sacrificial lamb. THERE IS NO WAY, after the horror and complete abomination that have been the Bush years that they retain the WH. Which is ironic, cause after 911 the RNC could have sewn up elections for the next twenty years, but Bush, et al, have blown it BIG time.

otherwise their attacks will be labeled racist

otherwise their attacks will be labeled racist
If Obama is smart--and I think he is--he will find ways to avoid these attempts to fling poo at him.

People who have a problem voting for a black candidate are an insignificant factor within the Democratic voting bloc. These kinds vote Republican or don't vote at all.

My concern has been that women would overwhelmingly vote for Hillary. This worry has eased as the primary season has further developed, I'm happy to say. Outside of the harder-core feminists, women are proving to be a bit more open minded than I feared. Not surprising, for a politician as charismatic as Obama is comes around rarely, if ever.

People who have a problem voting for a black candidate are an insignificant factor within the Democratic voting bloc. These kinds vote Republican or don't vote at all.

My concern has been that women would overwhelmingly vote for Hillary. This worry has eased as the primary season has further developed, I'm happy to say. Outside of the harder-core feminists, women are proving to be a bit more open minded than I feared. Not surprising, for a politician as charismatic as Obama is comes around rarely, if ever.

I think most Dems who'd vote for Hillary would also vote for Obama--not sure it works the other way though--some might decide to go for McCain and that's why the GOP is so afraid of Obama.

How do you think GW won 2 elections? It was totally based on feelings and so called morals and patriotism rather than results. Be realistic. These things win elections these days whether you like it or not.

which is sad and pathethic. does not give us Hope does it?

Win or lose, McCain will get at least 48% of the popular vote

That's a very specific figure to state with certainty. How did you come up with 48%? I'm really curious, cause I'd be disappointed to think you just pulled it out of thin air.

which is sad and pathethic. does not give us Hope does it?

I'll agree with you on that.

Both JFK and Bill Clinton had strong political machines and henchmen that went after their opponents without mercy. Both won the presidency because of their political machines. Obama doesn’t have much of a political organization, at least not yet, to match the Republicans. Maybe he will but there is no evidence at this point that Obama is well organized to take on McCain in the general election. McCain will not be the sacrificial lamb. That type of thinking will get the Democrats in trouble real quick. Neither Obama nor Hillary believe that McCain will be a sacrificial lamb. Win or lose, McCain will get at least 48% of the popular vote and he will take every state in the South and most states in the West. He will also take a few states in the North. Make no mistake about it, McCain will show up and be very strong, win or lose.

One thing that McCain has going for him is that the Democrats are split. If Hillary wins the nomination then many blacks will sit out the general election. If Obama wins then the Hillary supporters will be quite mad. The key for the Democrats is to unite the party after the nominee is selected and that’s going to be a huge undertaking. Meanwhile, McCain is already healing the Republican party and the endorsements are coming in every day from well respected Republicans. Republicans will be united in November with the exception of a few fanatical evangelicals. But, the Democrats have a long way to go before they come together and there is a good chance that they will not get it together by election day. McCain will be very strong in November.

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You're litespeeder again, right? The smiley at the end is a dead giveaway.

You're litespeeder again, right? The smiley at the end is a dead giveaway.

That was my guess too.

You're litespeeder again, right? The smiley at the end is a dead giveaway.

Start talking about abortion rights...that'll draw him out for sure. :D

You're litespeeder again, right? The smiley at the end is a dead giveaway.

Well, let's hope not. Because this IP is from a corporate address (which I now have nicely saved), and I would hate to have to inform their IT department that not only was someone posting from work, but also violating terms of use (his use rights are revoked) and using throw away e-mail accounts to get around the bans already set.

Yes, I would hate to have to do that.

Blitzkrieg, there is a small chance you are not litespeeder. However, any new account registered with a throw away e-mail is going to be deleted.

Start talking about abortion rights...that'll draw him out for sure. :D

Actually, I was trying to give him rope. To make an air tight case can take a lot longer than to figure out who a person is from posting style.

So next time, shhhhhhh!

John Podhoretz? Seriously?

where's the laughing in hysterics smiley?

Actually, I was trying to give him rope. To make an air tight case can take a lot longer than to figure out who a person is from posting style.

So next time, shhhhhhh!
I was thinking of just bad-posting, next time I will.

I was thinking of just bad-posting, next time I will.

Just PM me. I look at the account that gets bad posts notices very, very rarely. Every week or two.

Yes, I am a bad moderator. Bad me, bad me.

You neocons only have yourselves, and Bush, to blame for either Obama and Hillary. You guys have gone so far to the right, the pendulum is swinging back the other way.

Fact of the matter is, if Bush wasn't such a wanker, or if the neocons weren't so dirty and incompetent, you probably would see different democratic candidates.

Steam, where do you find these articles? They're seriously bad.

Steam, where do you find these articles? They're seriously bad.

Newsmax and other right wing blogs I think.

Newsmax and other right wing blogs I think.

He's very partial to Captain's Quarters.

How do you think GW won 2 elections? It was totally based on feelings and so called morals and patriotism rather than results. Be realistic. These things win elections these days whether you like it or not.

I think George won because he looked good when compared to the alternatives.

I think George won because he looked good when compared to the alternatives.

I'm not gonna give you a lot of argument on that because you do have a point. :D

I'm pretty right wing but please don't call me a neo-con or Bush apologist.

I think it's gonna be very nasty from McCain toward Obama, much less so the other way (at least, if his handlers are as smart as I think they are).

And big O's gonna win, same way Reagan did. Charisma hope optimism happiness big picture we're gonna make America better.

Then it's up to those smart handlers to keep Pelosi et al under control and actually deliver something.

Well, let's hope not. Because this IP is from a corporate address (which I now have nicely saved), and I would hate to have to inform their IT department that not only was someone posting from work, but also violating terms of use (his use rights are revoked) and using throw away e-mail accounts to get around the bans already set.

Yes, I would hate to have to do that.

Blitzkrieg, there is a small chance you are not litespeeder. However, any new account registered with a throw away e-mail is going to be deleted.

same writing style. same use of paragraph form. same right wing tone with the same opinions. same smiley face.
its Litespeeder...no doubt. what did he call you again, Hoo? I remember it being
something nasty... :D

same writing style. same use of paragraph form. same right wing tone with the same opinions. same smiley face.
its Litespeeder...no doubt. what did he call you again, Hoo? I remember it being
something nasty... :D

Me things he doth protest too little.

He's very partial to Captain's Quarters.

he has a 'cabin-boy' fetish

seriously I kid, couldn't help myself, you served up a tater