View Full Version : Obama's organizational advantage.


dr hoo
02-19-2008, 08:06 AM
K, voted today.

In the past week we got 2 robo calls from the clinton campaign, touting her speaking 60 miles away. We also got a robocall from them (her voice) yesterday. And a flyer in the mail.

This past weekend we got 2 calls for obama. After he spoke here, nothing before Both live, actual, human beings.

Which do you think will have more impact on undecided voters? Which do you think shows better organization, and more people availble to put to work?


Also, i wanted to pass this little bit of stupidity along from the clinton campaign:

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/15759032.html

HERE'S A LITTLE political banana peel.

Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign failed to file a full slate of convention delegate candidates for Pennsylvania's April 22 primary.

This despite the possibility the primary proves critical and despite Clinton owning the full-throated support of Gov. Rendell, state Democratic Party leadership, Mayor Nutter and, presumably, the organizational skill all that entails.

And despite a Rendell-ordered extension of the filing deadline that could be viewed as more than just coincidental.

"There are a number of Clinton delegates that did not file for reasons of illness or other issues," Democratic state chairman T.J. Rooney conceded yesterday after being questioned by the Daily News.

He initially said he was unaware of the fact, but confirmed it after checking with Clinton's state delegate petition organizer.

It appears Clinton came up 10 or 11 candidates short across a number of congressional districts, including two in Philadelphia.

That's close to 10 percent of the 103 delegates to be decided by voters.

It appears the shortage would've been double that if Rendell hadn't extended last week's candidate filing deadline by a day and a half, ostensibly due to bad weather.

This at a time when Clinton's campaign, like Barack Obama's - which did file a full slate in the state - hoards delegates like diamonds.

Going into today's Wisconsin primary, Obama leads Clinton by just 61 delegates (1,322 to 1,262 with 2,025 needed to win).

But Clinton's faux pas is more of an image problem than a practical one.

Under Democratic Party rules (and does any organization on the planet have more rules or more complex rules?) a presidential candidate winning in a congressional district gets delegates from that district (assigned at a later date) whether he or she files slates delegates or not.

Still.

For a national campaign stressing competence, experience, "ready day one," one might expect a full slate in what could be a key state.


Details matter, and the obama campaign is crossing all the 't's and dotting all the 'i's all the way. Clinton, not so much. Heck, they didn't even know the texas rules, even though they were banking on tx/oh/pa after super tuesday!

MikeBiker
02-19-2008, 08:25 AM
Hillary does not seem to have picked the best people to run her campaign.

Recorded messages always irritate me.

Starliner
02-19-2008, 08:39 AM
Hillary does not seem to have picked the best people to run her campaign.
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I think she's got good people - their hearts just aren't as into the swing of it all, as much as Obama's troops. If the heart isn't there, a good mind loses its effectiveness.

MarkS
02-19-2008, 08:44 AM
Details matter, and the obama campaign is crossing all the 't's and dotting all the 'i's all the way. Clinton, not so much. Heck, they didn't even know the texas rules, even though they were banking on tx/oh/pa after super tuesday!

I was shocked that there appeared to be no Clinton organization whatsoever in Maryland prior to last week's primary. Both our Governor and our senior US Senator have been longstanding, strong Clinton supporters. My guess is that (1) the Clinton people planned to wrap things up by Super Tuesday and had no plan for anything after February 5; and/or (2) the Clinton campaign has no money for organizing local campaigns.

bigbill
02-19-2008, 09:07 AM
I live in Washington State and I got a campaign call for the primaries. The caller started out saying that he was conducting a poll. I asked if he was representing a candidate and after much prodding, he said that he was calling on behalf of the Clinton campaign. Why couldn't he just come out and say it?

I told them that I was non-resident military and vote in my home state of Texas and he hung up on me. Doesn't she have a primary there as well?

Bocephus Jones II
02-19-2008, 09:11 AM
Hillary does not seem to have picked the best people to run her campaign.

Recorded messages always irritate me.

I got tons of calls from both sides...both recorded and not. It got so bad I was getting 2-3 calls daily. After the caucus...nothing. My wife has been getting daily "political" calls though. I always just say she isn't home.

MarkS
02-19-2008, 10:55 AM
I live in Washington State and I got a campaign call for the primaries. The caller started out saying that he was conducting a poll. I asked if he was representing a candidate and after much prodding, he said that he was calling on behalf of the Clinton campaign. Why couldn't he just come out and say it?

I told them that I was non-resident military and vote in my home state of Texas and he hung up on me. Doesn't she have a primary there as well?

There was no Texas option in the caller's script. I do not know if the person who called you was a paid telemarketing type or a genuine volunteer. I once gave money to a local lawyer who was running as a Republican candidate for office. For years, I would receive call from people "conducting surveys" and the like. Usually I just hung up, but occasionally I would try to confront them -- they would be asking leading questions such as "Isn't Speaker Gingrich the greatest thing since the invention of sliced bread" Or, "Don't you agree that [insert the name of any Democrat who ever had held public office]" is the spawn of the devil." I would tell them that Newt was a piece of sh!t or that Bill Clinton was really the second coming of Jesus Christ. They clearly were supposed to be following a script and my off the wall answers would confound them. One caller actually admitted to me that she was just a paid worker and could not deviate from her script. Unless you were called by a volunteer who actually was engaged mentally and had an IQ over 80, I am not surprised that your caller did not know how to deal with your response.

Creakyknees
02-19-2008, 01:03 PM
So that's one bit of secret sauce about campaigns - the folks behind the scenes who actually run things. Gripe about our crazy process, but it's an excellent test of capabilities for large scale, high pressure, short timeline organizational logistics.

So, who are the players behind Obama? Who's the Carville / Rove for Obama?

blackhat
02-21-2008, 08:29 AM
So, who are the players behind Obama? Who's the Carville / Rove for Obama?

Obama's Inner Circle

http://www.nysun.com/article/71651