Early news from a Wisconsin source.

CNN is also giving him the win.

Len

Whiter than white Wisco, heartland of America, part of that real roots America the wingnuts pay lip service to.

His electoral prospects looking better all the time.

Can you say President Obama!

Can you say President Obama!

There's plenty of good 'ol boys who simply won't be able to say those words.

There's plenty of good 'ol boys who simply won't be able to say those words.

and those good 'ol bigots don't vote Dem anyway so null point.....

There's plenty of good 'ol boys who simply won't be able to say those words.

Not as many as there used to be, they're dying off. The next generation doesn't think like they did.

I think Obama is the real deal...

The first two paragraphs of what should have been Hillary's concession speech involved criticizing Obama, but without the courage to even speak his name. From now on, apparently his name is "our opponent". Bush would be proud of how she's embraced the "us" vs. "them" theme.
Now we'll get to see whether the Democrats are truly put off by negative campaigning and how easily they embrace blood-lust.

The first two paragraphs of what should have been Hillary's concession speech involved criticizing Obama, but without the courage to even speak his name. From now on, apparently his name is "our opponent". Bush would be proud of how she's embraced the "us" vs. "them" theme.
Now we'll get to see whether the Democrats are truly put off by negative campaigning and how easily they embrace blood-lust.

Shrillary it has become....I think the former poster commonly known as KP was eerily prescient on this one topic....any candidate that stoops low does not deserve the nomination...the Opponent is the incompetent Republitards... to miss that is to miss the point which is what hubris tends to do...

Early news from a Wisconsin source.

Huckabee and Clinton had the same margin of defeat.

Whiter than white Wisco, heartland of America, part of that real roots America the wingnuts pay lip service to.

His electoral prospects looking better all the time.

Wow. You really don't know jack about Wisconsin. Home of the progressive movement, Home of Madison, the liberal-est town east of the Mississippi. Home of Russ Feingold. Home of Tammy Baldwin, the first openly lesbian member of the house of representatives.

Wisconsin politics have more in common with Denmark than with the rest of the U.S.

That said, man was I happy that Obama won last night. 'Bout time we got a decent candidate.

I find it funny that Obama timed his speech to start about five minutes after Hillary's speech. She just barely got started speaking and then every network switched over to Obama to hear his victory speech.

I think she still has Ohio and Pennsylvania, though, so don't expect this to end before the convention.

I find it funny that Obama timed his speech to start about five minutes after Hillary's speech. She just barely got started speaking and then every network switched over to Obama to hear his victory speech.

I think she still has Ohio and Pennsylvania, though, so don't expect this to end before the convention.

She has to win by a large margin to close the gap though. It's not winner-take-all.

Wow. You really don't know jack about Wisconsin. Home of the progressive movement, Home of Madison, the liberal-est town east of the Mississippi. Home of Russ Feingold. Home of Tammy Baldwin, the first openly lesbian member of the house of representatives.

Wisconsin politics have more in common with Denmark than with the rest of the U.S.

That said, man was I happy that Obama won last night. 'Bout time we got a decent candidate.

Welll Madison maybe, but there are more conservative parts of WI also.

Welll Madison maybe, but there are more conservative parts of WI also.

Wisconsin has a long and storied history in progressive politics. The conservative (agricultural) parts I've spent time in are still pretty liberal compared to, say, Indiana.

I find it funny that Obama timed his speech to start about five minutes after Hillary's speech. She just barely got started speaking and then every network switched over to Obama to hear his victory speech.

I think she still has Ohio and Pennsylvania, though, so don't expect this to end before the convention.

Insiders said it's likely he was watching her speech. He waited to see if she would either concede, or congratulate Obama on the night's win. She did neither, and was taking shots at Obama withing the first minutes she opened her mouth.
Obama said, "That's enough." He cut her opening act short Gong Show-style, and let the TV audience see the real headliner.
If Obama can run the country as effectively as he's running his campaign, he'll be just fine on "day-one".

There's plenty of good 'ol boys who simply won't be able to say those words.
and live in Snakebit's basement...

Not as many as there used to be, they're dying off. The next generation doesn't think like they did.

I think Obama is the real deal...

I wonder if there's any connection with the fact Obama has made big gains with every group except the 60+ age groupers. Or maybe they're just the Democratic demographic least attracted to "change".

and live in Snakebit's basement...

There's too many for that. Mature voters are less susceptable to group hypnosis. "Oh, he said we get to HOPE. What a deal" :)

I wonder if there's any connection with the fact Obama has made big gains with every group except the 60+ age groupers. Or maybe they're just the Democratic demographic least attracted to "change".

Racist and sexist attitudes are higher and stronger in older demographics. On average. That's part. Also, experience is a pretty big factor for those who have a lot of it themselves, and that probably plays a role too.

And then there is the "Hey you kids, get off my lawn!" factor. :p

Racist and sexist attitudes are higher and stronger in older demographics. On average. That's part. Also, experience is a pretty big factor for those who have a lot of it themselves, and that probably plays a role too.

And then there is the "Hey you kids, get off my lawn!" factor. :p

All you gotta do is keep addin' years and you may have your own lawn one day. :)

I wonder if there's any connection with the fact Obama has made big gains with every group except the 60+ age groupers. Or maybe they're just the Democratic demographic least attracted to "change".

Interesting observation. Change does scare people. What's that saying, "Can't teach an ol' dog new tricks."

The country is desperate for change after Bush_Saudi_Halliburton_Petro.com have destroyed the world. We really don't like to look like fools to the rest of the world. A half-wit once coined a phrase: "Fool me once shame on me, fool me...heh...heh...ya can't get fooled agin!"

If the message of hope is selling, gotta ask yourself why are we so attracted to that message? Are we without hope? Yup!

Are you better off than you were 8 years ago?

The majority of the country would say no.

All you gotta do is keep addin' years and you may have your own lawn one day. :)

I have already said the following:

"Move along. No, I don't care, you are not skateboarding on my porch."

Damn kids!

Are you better off than you were 8 years ago?

The majority of the country would say no.

I think you are right but I wonder why. How many of those worse off people are overweight and have a plasma TV and high speed internet and a cell family plan (with unlimited mobile to mobile!) and directv (now with 85 hd channels!) and and an xbox360 and an ipod and a digicam and ....?

And on their quest for all that chit, they gobbled up credit cards and refis and HELOCs. How awesome would it be to wake up tomorrow to see people living within their means and not consuming more than they need?

The country is desperate for change after Bush_Saudi_Halliburton_Petro.com have destroyed the world. We really don't like to look like fools to the rest of the world. .

hyperbole? who? me?

I think you are right but I wonder why. How many of those worse off people are overweight and have a plasma TV and high speed internet and a cell family plan (with unlimited mobile to mobile!) and directv (now with 85 hd channels!) and and an xbox360 and an ipod and a digicam and ....?

And on their quest for all that chit, they gobbled up credit cards and refis and HELOCs. How awesome would it be to wake up tomorrow to see people living within their means and not consuming more than they need?

Health care costs, housing costs, education costs, all rising at faster than the rate of inflation. Combined with a lack of real wage growth.

But yeah, cable, big part of it too.

But yeah, cable, big part of it too.

Our economic growth depends on consumption. So the ad men convince us that we need new widgets. How many of your college students live the way you did when you went to school... no credit card, no cell phone, no computer, no internet service, no new car....? Sadly, our bold engine of economic growth depends on them to dig themselves into the hole. Over and over and over.

The average american's budget is replete with luxuries. That the man tells us we all deserve.

Oh cr@p, I think I just sounded wistful for the good old days.

How many of your college students live the way you did when you went to school... no credit card, no cell phone, no computer, no internet service, no new car....?

A lot more than you might think. I have kids from working class families, rural areas, lots of first generation college students. Most have parents that can't help them much because of their bills, but who have assets and income that mean financial aid is low or lacking. Financial aid rules mean they can't be independent, even if they live on their own for years and do support themselves. I got to be independent after 2 years, and got pell grants. They can't until 24 or 25, no matter how many years they have been on their own. And if insurance covers them, they can't take that risk anyway, not if they have health issues.

Many have cell phones, but no landline. Internet is shared among 4-6 roomates, or they just use wifi on and off campus, computer labs. Credit cards, dunno. Every car I have ever seen is a shelled out klunker. They work long hours to pay tuition and sometimes in multiple jobs, often causing them to take 5 or 6 years due to low credit loads and often a semester or two off because they can't pay the tuition until they earn more money.

And with tuition increases, I have seen students leave and not come back each year. Others take out more and more loans, which puts them in more debt when starting off their lives.

Sure there are stupid kids spending on stupid stuff they can't afford. But lots and lots don't fit that bill. They are doing everything they can to get that degree to make a better life for themselves, and it is not a sure thing that they will make it, regardless of intelligence and work ethic.

I think you are right but I wonder why. How many of those worse off people are overweight and have a plasma TV and high speed internet and a cell family plan (with unlimited mobile to mobile!) and directv (now with 85 hd channels!) and and an xbox360 and an ipod and a digicam and ....?

And on their quest for all that chit, they gobbled up credit cards and refis and HELOCs. How awesome would it be to wake up tomorrow to see people living within their means and not consuming more than they need?

what, you want a depression?

spending on credit is about the only thing, along with government military-industrial spending, that's kept this economy afloat for the past seven years.

A lot more than you might think. I have kids from working class families, rural areas, lots of first generation college students. Most have parents that can't help them much because of their bills, but who have assets and income that mean financial aid is low or lacking. Financial aid rules mean they can't be independent, even if they live on their own for years and do support themselves. I got to be independent after 2 years, and got pell grants. They can't until 24 or 25, no matter how many years they have been on their own. And if insurance covers them, they can't take that risk anyway, not if they have health issues.

Many have cell phones, but no landline. Internet is shared among 4-6 roomates, or they just use wifi on and off campus, computer labs. Credit cards, dunno. Every car I have ever seen is a shelled out klunker. They work long hours to pay tuition and sometimes in multiple jobs, often causing them to take 5 or 6 years due to low credit loads and often a semester or two off because they can't pay the tuition until they earn more money.

And with tuition increases, I have seen students leave and not come back each year. Others take out more and more loans, which puts them in more debt when starting off their lives.

Sure there are stupid kids spending on stupid stuff they can't afford. But lots and lots don't fit that bill. They are doing everything they can to get that degree to make a better life for themselves, and it is not a sure thing that they will make it, regardless of intelligence and work ethic.

I my case I went back to school in my 20s and I could get in-state tuition and pell grants which barely paid my tuition. I worked selling suits for food, rent and beer money. Iowa City is a pretty cheap place to live--at least in the late 80s--If I had $10 in my pocket I could get rip-roaring drunk.

what, you want a depression?

spending on credit is about the only thing, along with government military-industrial spending, that's kept this economy afloat for the past seven years.

Zactly. I keep thinking that eventually that the hole will get deep enough to correct itself. But apparently we'll keep on digging till it kills us.

Ok, off to buy another carbon water bottle cage... it'll make me faster, right?