Dick is such a Dick!

4,000 brave soldiers have paid the ultimate sacrifice and Cheney thinks Bush carries the biggest burden???

Cheney should spend the rest of his days with his nuts in a vice, and every soldier's family member gets to turn the wheel.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/story?id=4513250&page=1

He was a sociopath when he worked for Gerald Ford and he's a sociopath now. What scares me is that I think the American people are going to elect McCain, and we'll get another couple of nutjobs at the top.

I got a good idea, let's blow a limb off of each one of them so they can compare their burden's with surviving soldiers who fell victim to IEDs

nevermind, still not as bad as neither of them will ever need to work again

but blow them up anyway

Dick is such a Dick!

4,000 brave soldiers have paid the ultimate sacrifice and Cheney thinks Bush carries the biggest burden???

Cheney should spend the rest of his days with his nuts in a vice, and every soldier's family member gets to turn the wheel.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/story?id=4513250&page=1
I don't think he was implying the burden of sacrifice.

Sounds like he was referencing the burden of responsibility or decision making. He is, like it or not, the Commander in Chief. So, the results of the decision ultimately lie with Bush.

I got a good idea, let's blow a limb off of each one of them so they can compare their burden's with surviving soldiers who fell victim to IEDs

nevermind, still not as bad as neither of them will ever need to work again

but blow them up anyway
wow. those are some pretty strong words.

would you be the one to do it then? or are you just running off at the mouth?

I don't think he was implying the burden of sacrifice.

Sounds like he was referencing the burden of responsibility or decision making. He is, like it or not, the Commander in Chief. So, the results of the decision ultimately lie with Bush.

To even imply that Bush is paying a greater sacrifice in any fashion is just sickening.

Dick has lost touch with reality. He doesn't give a damn about what people think. This is very bad for a supposed 'politician,' but good for a sociopathic killer. No responsibility for your actions.

wow. those are some pretty strong words.

would you be the one to do it then? or are you just running off at the mouth?

at the mouth. if I said I was serious I'm sure I'd be hearing from someone

tit for tat, Cheney is running off at the mouth daily. saying the Pres has the biggest burden while there are soldiers out there maimed and mentally and emotionally ruined for life would qualify in my book as ' a load of bullcrap'

ask the poor wife whose husband won't make eye contact with her and now drinks constantly

ask the kid who will grow up without a dad

ask the brain damaged vet who can't get seen by a Doc and can't get a job

and in all honesty I'msure the President sleeps better than any of the above so I don't think he's carrying as much burden that way either

To even imply that Bush is paying a greater sacrifice in any fashion is just sickening.

Dick has lost touch with reality. He doesn't give a damn about what people think. This is very bad for a supposed 'politician,' but good for a sociopathic killer. No responsibility for your actions.
Still don't see where he implies anything along the line of sacrifice. Other than when discussing the families.

"It places a special burden obviously on the families, and we recognize, I think — it's a reminder of the extent to which we are blessed with families who've sacrificed as they have."

at the mouth. if I said I was serious I'm sure I'd be hearing from someone

tit for tat, Cheney is running off at the mouth daily. saying the Pres has the biggest burden while there are soldiers out there maimed and mentally and emotionally ruined for life would qualify in my book as ' a load of bullcrap'

ask the poor wife whose husband won't make eye contact with her and now drinks constantly

ask the kid who will grow up without a dad

ask the brain damaged vet who can't get seen by a Doc and can't get a job

and in all honesty I'msure the President sleeps better than any of the above so I don't think he's carrying as much burden that way either

of course you are running off at the mouth.

those are mighty big words to back up from behind a keyboard, even for a big guy like yourself.


They are sad realities to be sure. Any of those criteria you list are applicable to any conflict. But probably not as prolific as you might like them to be.

I don't think he was implying the burden of sacrifice.

Sounds like he was referencing the burden of responsibility or decision making. He is, like it or not, the Commander in Chief. So, the results of the decision ultimately lie with Bush.

"It obviously brings home I think for a lot of people the cost that's involved in the global war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan," Cheney said in the interview, conducted in Turkey. "It places a special burden obviously on the families, and we recognize, I think — it's a reminder of the extent to which we are blessed with families who've sacrificed as they have.

The president carries the biggest burden, obviously," Cheney said. "He's the one who has to make the decision to commit young Americans, but we are fortunate to have a group of men and women, the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm's way for the rest of us."

That's a pretty clear cut comparison between the president's burden (next to nill comparatively) and the death and injuries to the soldiers.

Still don't see where he implies anything along the line of sacrifice. Other than when discussing the families.

"It places a special burden obviously on the families, and we recognize, I think — it's a reminder of the extent to which we are blessed with families who've sacrificed as they have."

It may be somewhat outa context, but the way it reads surely gets me po'd...

"The president carries the biggest burden, obviously," Cheney said. "He's the one who has to make the decision to commit young Americans, but we are fortunate to have a group of men and women, the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm's way for the rest of us."

"It obviously brings home I think for a lot of people the cost that's involved in the global war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan," Cheney said in the interview, conducted in Turkey. "It places a special burden obviously on the families, and we recognize, I think — it's a reminder of the extent to which we are blessed with families who've sacrificed as they have.

The president carries the biggest burden, obviously," Cheney said. "He's the one who has to make the decision to commit young Americans, but we are fortunate to have a group of men and women, the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm's way for the rest of us."

That's a pretty clear cut comparison between the president's burden (next to nill comparatively) and the death and injuries to the soldiers.
I read that. That particular interpretation smells of semantics.

I disagree. It's pretty clear that he is comparing the two's plights.

To even imply that Bush is paying a greater sacrifice in any fashion is just sickening.

Dick has lost touch with reality. He doesn't give a damn about what people think. This is very bad for a supposed 'politician,' but good for a sociopathic killer. No responsibility for your actions.


you're the republican in the room...YOU voted for him in 2000, right?

Plus, there's his little snide, "don't get so worked up about those soldiers' deaths, cause, you know, they volunteered".

Persoanlly, I don't think either Dickless or George spends a whole lot of time worrying about the sacrifices or the horrible suffering our soldiers have undergone. Dickless really wanted a war, because he wants wars. And Georgie thought being a war president and kicking third rate Iraq all over the map would cement him as one of the great presidents, so he was all for it.

"I'm a war president!"

Guilt is a burden and it should be crushing w.

Plus, there's his little snide, "don't get so worked up about those soldiers' deaths, cause, you know, they volunteered".

Persoanlly, I don't think either Dickless or George spends a whole lot of time worrying about the sacrifices or the horrible suffering our soldiers have undergone. Dickless really wanted a war, because he wants wars. And Georgie thought being a war president and kicking third rate Iraq all over the map would cement him as one of the great presidents, so he was all for it.

"I'm a war president!"

For some reason I always think of this pic when I think of Dick(less):

For some reason I always think of this pic when I think of Dick(less):
Is he under sniper fire?

He's at a memorial for the Holocaust victims...

I read that. That particular interpretation smells of semantics.Isn't it you who is making the semantic argument? You are the one that is claiming that Cheney is using the same word to describe one effect on the soldiers and their families and another, according to you different, effect on Bush. Cheney himself used the same word, "burden," to describe the effect and then used the comparative adjective "biggest" when discussing Bush's alleged burden, all in the course of the same conversation. I don't see how one reads that any way other than Henry Porter and others have done except by employing a semantic excuse.

To even imply that Bush is paying a greater sacrifice in any fashion is just sickening.

Dick has lost touch with reality. He doesn't give a damn about what people think. This is very bad for a supposed 'politician,' but good for a sociopathic killer. No responsibility for your actions.

no. it's the demagogue who cares mostly about what people think.. a good man, an honourable politician does what he thinks it's right.

I don't think he was implying the burden of sacrifice.

Sounds like he was referencing the burden of responsibility or decision making. He is, like it or not, the Commander in Chief. So, the results of the decision ultimately lie with Bush.

they know it... they know it...

ask the poor wife whose husband won't make eye contact with her and now drinks constantly


huh? ...

they know it... they know it...

If I ever suffer from spinitis, I know who I'll call. The spin doctor.

of course you are running off at the mouth.

those are mighty big words to back up from behind a keyboard, even for a big guy like yourself.


They are sad realities to be sure. Any of those criteria you list are applicable to any conflict. But probably not as prolific as you might like them to be.

a moreon to actively threaten a standing P and VPonline where they'd have a lovely record of it.

uh you do realize saying "hell yes I'm serious,I'd do it myself" could land me in jail

well however sharp I thought your reasoning was before it surely has taken a downturn

a moreon to actively threaten a standing P and VPonline where they'd have a lovely record of it.

uh you do realize saying "hell yes I'm serious,I'd do it myself" could land me in jail

well however sharp I thought your reasoning was before it surely has taken a downturn

i don't know.... but ultra violence does not seem to make things better does it? it makes you as bad as whatever bad person you want to apply your vigilante justice. or worse.

i don't know.... but ultra violence does not seem to make things better does it? it makes you as bad as whatever bad person you want to apply your vigilante justice. or worse.

Cheney says W bears the biggest burden

the only way they could get an honest assesment of that isby losing a limb or 2, with maybe some severe brain injury as anaside. Point being it is asinine to talk about ones personal civilian burden when our troops are really suffering so.

lastly, the no eye contact and alcoholism are 2 common symptoms of PTSD
sometimes followed by suicide since they cannot get proper psych care

Cheney says W bears the biggest burden

the only way they could get an honest assesment of that isby losing a limb or 2, with maybe some severe brain injury as anaside. Point being it is asinine to talk about ones personal civilian burden when our troops are really suffering so.

lastly, the no eye contact and alcoholism are 2 common symptoms of PTSD
sometimes followed by suicide since they cannot get proper psych care

i reread it. i still think it's wrong. but that's my opinion and i won't wish you banned from a website for thinking otherwise... even if you brake the rules.

i reread it. i still think it's wrong. but that's my opinion and i won't wish you banned from a website for thinking otherwise... even if you brake the rules.

because I called teh moreon a moreon?

as in "One would have to be" since, by his handle he already is.

because I called teh moreon a moreon?

as in "One would have to be" since, by his handle he already is.

sorry... i wasn't thinking about teh moreon. i didn't make myself clear.. here it is: calling for torture and ultra brutality on Cheney or Bush could be offensive to those who believe and voted for them. i am not one of them but still shocked me as a call to torture. seems as you approve the concept.
it's your opinion and you are entitled to it here. others like Rydster were banned for doing the same thing: posting their radical opinions. he was banned and the radicals on liberties incl. freedom of speech applauded the decision. R didn't call names on any members, he didn't call for dismembering a US politician, he didn't make apologies of fascism or even racism as you pretended many times. he was argumentative but his opinions were uncool and "wrong". instead of bringing his ideas down using intelligence or logic the board called him names, laughed about his private sex life and shut him down; the same "freedom fighters", so shocked about their liberties being taken away and people being persecuted by their sex practices, shut the different opinion down.
clap clap clap.

well however sharp I thought your reasoning was before it surely has taken a downturn
says the fellow who suggests to blow a limb off the President of the United States. Then backs down off his righteous indignation, big man words.

sorry... i wasn't thinking about teh moreon. i didn't make myself clear.. here it is: calling for torture and ultra brutality on Cheney or Bush could be offensive to those who believe and voted for them. i am not one of them but still shocked me as a call to torture. seems as you approve the concept.
it's your opinion and you are entitled to it here. others like Rydster were banned for doing the same thing: posting their radical opinions. he was banned and the radicals on liberties incl. freedom of speech applauded the decision. R didn't call names on any members, he didn't call for dismembering a US politician, he didn't make apologies of fascism or even racism as you pretended many times. he was argumentative but his opinions were uncool and "wrong". instead of bringing his ideas down using intelligence or logic the board called him names, laughed about his private sex life and shut him down; the same "freedom fighters", so shocked about their liberties being taken away and people being persecuted by their sex practices, shut the different opinion down.
clap clap clap.

for me, a citizen, to complain how I am suffering over the war because of the massive debt., the cost of fuel and the inflation it causes and to somehow think it is greater than the sufferings of our dead, wounded and their families is an insult beyond insults.I imagine most soldiers would gladly trade the supposed 'burden' Bush has for their missing limbs, broken minds, broken families and broken lives. SO theonly way Cheney and Bush could possibly get better INSIGHT into the REAL BURDEN would be to suffer similar consequences? Can you follow that?

I am not advocating torture and dismemberment. I am enraged that some guy who sleeps in a nice bed, with a Chef to prepare their meals and a load of security guys making sure they are safe has the audacity to think the burden of their guilt somehow compares to the REAL suffering of our troops and their loved ones. What I am saying is theylack proper perspective. Losing their limbs and their mental capacity would be simply a METHOD for them to gain some insight that they surely seem to lack.

as for Rydster, he had become a trolling flamer who had showed a nasty predjudice that he tried to cover with pseudo intellectualism. He got called on it ,he was flaming and got flamed in return. When his trolling came into question by the mods he did not defend. He thusly got pulled.
His ideas had been pulled down many times using logic, present and historical references/examples. Why don't you take a stroll down memory lane , reread the postings and see all the rebuttals. It was his refusal to acknowledge them that brought on the heckling. Like how he tried to play the monotheistic card on alcoholism and Indian/Asiatic phenotypes and he was SHOWN Chinese who are polythestic 'sensualists' don't have alcoholism issues because they have the proper GENES to aid Alcohol dehydrogenase in alcohol metabolism. So his 'cultural' POV was brought down in a few short posts but yet he continued. Maybe,just maybe it was his inability to recognize when he was utterly beaten that brought on this ire. Maybe it was him trying to create 'science' to fit his bigotry and when shown it did not work, his refusal to acknowledge such. If one doesn't listen to logic,then one opens themself up to ridicule. What point is there to reason if the one whom one is reasoning with refuses to listen? That isn't genius, that is foolish. The fact that he made an almost daily pattern of it resulted in his doom.

as for Rydster, he had become a trolling flamer who had showed a nasty predjudice that he tried to cover with pseudo intellectualism. He got called on it ,he was flaming and got flamed in return. When his trolling came into question by the mods he did not defend. He thusly got pulled.
His ideas had been pulled down many times using logic, present and historical references/examples. Why don't you take a stroll down memory lane , reread the postings and see all the rebuttals. It was his refusal to acknowledge them that brought on the heckling. Like how he tried to play the monotheistic card on alcoholism and Indian/Asiatic phenotypes and he was SHOWN Chinese who are polythestic 'sensualists' don't have alcoholism issues because they have the proper GENES to aid Alcohol dehydrogenase in alcohol metabolism. So his 'cultural' POV was brought down in a few short posts but yet he continued. Maybe,just maybe it was his inability to recognize when he was utterly beaten that brought on this ire. Maybe it was him trying to create 'science' to fit his bigotry and when shown it did not work, his refusal to acknowledge such. If one doesn't listen to logic,then one opens themself up to ridicule. What point is there to reason if the one whom one is reasoning with refuses to listen? That isn't genius, that is foolish. The fact that he made an almost daily pattern of it resulted in his doom.

yeah, right. so you can disqualify the whole body of Freud's work on calling him a "pervert", based on gossip about his sex life, as if it could pass as discussion about his theory and then call anyone's post pseudointellectualism.
Rydster is far from being an intellectual and actually there are very few of them.. his posts are as intellectual as anyone of ours.