I responded to the add from Eric Hayes (wheellss@yahoo.com) about a Bianchi Veloce and strange things started to happen. My email was responded to from somebody named John Terier. Odd, but not impossible. Assured me the bike was new, but he wasn't a dealer. Not sure how he can have a new bike if he isn't a dealer, but he quickly had the transaction set up through an escrow service called Baynes Trading. There was no shipping charge, all was included in the $830 price tag. A few hours later I got an email from Baynes saying that a transaction was listed by Mr. Philip Lawson (three names so far) and instructing me to wire money to somebody in Spain by the name of Remus Daniel Marin. Baynes Trading is supposedly out of England. Stupidly, I gave whoever was behind all this, and Baynes Trading, my real name, address, and phone number, not to mention my primary email address. Hopefully, that isn't enough to rip me off.

I responded to the add from Eric Hayes (wheellss@yahoo.com) about a Bianchi Veloce and strange things started to happen. My email was responded to from somebody named John Terier. Odd, but not impossible. Assured me the bike was new, but he wasn't a dealer. Not sure how he can have a new bike if he isn't a dealer, but he quickly had the transaction set up through an escrow service called Baynes Trading. There was no shipping charge, all was included in the $830 price tag. A few hours later I got an email from Baynes saying that a transaction was listed by Mr. Philip Lawson (three names so far) and instructing me to wire money to somebody in Spain by the name of Remus Daniel Marin. Baynes Trading is supposedly out of England. Stupidly, I gave whoever was behind all this, and Baynes Trading, my real name, address, and phone number, not to mention my primary email address. Hopefully, that isn't enough to rip me off.
It is a scam. The only repercussions from giving the information you did is likely to be harrassment from the scammers. DO NOT give any further info to them.

It is a scam. The only repercussions from giving the information you did is likely to be harrassment from the scammers. DO NOT give any further info to them.

I hope you are right and I hope the scammers are too busy working on their next scam to think about me. I suppose complaining to UK or Spanish authorities would be futile, but it would be nice to strike back in any way I can.

Thank you so much for posting your message about this trader. I have too responded to his emails about this bike. I have given this person my information and he has contacted the same escrow service. I notice when he responded to me he had a different name then the name on his ads which was Eric Hayes and the name through email was John Terier. Before contacting the escrow service I decided to do a search with these names. I came up with your posting and I too hope nothing further happens. Thank you so much for your posting. Please keep me up dated with any further information. Thanks again!

Thank you so much for posting your message about this trader. I have too responded to his emails about this bike. I have given this person my information and he has contacted the same escrow service. I notice when he responded to me he had a different name then the name on his ads which was Eric Hayes and the name through email was John Terier. Before contacting the escrow service I decided to do a search with these names. I came up with your posting and I too hope nothing further happens. Thank you so much for your posting. Please keep me up dated with any further information. Thanks again!

Yer welcome. I'm glad my efforts did some good. I also posted a warning to rec.bicycles.misc and rec.bicycles.soc. I had no idea things had gotten so bad. I have done numerous trades over the internet without problems, or even very few rumors of problems, but this brush with criminality has left me thinking I have been lucky and naive. I complained to roadbikereview, but I see the bogus adds are still there. They really are on top of things here. Not. I went with a custom build from GVHbikes.com instead. Cannondale CAAD5 w/full carbon fork and Campy Centaur. Gary is a super nice guy and you can build a dream bike there for a very nice price.

What's interesting about this scam is that they don't make it look too suspicious. The Nigerians have no idea what we consider to be a realistic price, and often their scams are nothing short of comical. Some of these Spanish scams, however, are much slicker.

This is probably the 5th time I've heard of such a scam. It seems that Spanish and French criminals are specializing in these direct-sales scam, unlike the Nigerians who do mostly the Western Union overpayment scam. These southern Europeans have plausible looking escrow services set up, each of which lasts about 5 days before being abandoned.

Beware when buying now!

So I did some more research about this Eric Hayes. I went to dexonline and found that there is a Eric Hayes that lives in Montana but no one by the name of John Terier. I thought about calling Eric Hayes because maybe, just maybe he doesn't know that someone is using his name. You never know. Is there anyway of catching these guys?

So I did some more research about this Eric Hayes. I went to dexonline and found that there is a Eric Hayes that lives in Montana but no one by the name of John Terier. I thought about calling Eric Hayes because maybe, just maybe he doesn't know that someone is using his name. You never know. Is there anyway of catching these guys?

Not unless you can get European authorities interested in going after them. I filed a complaint with the IFCC, but I don't have much hope they will put a lot of effort into it. I doubt that any of the names can be easily traced to the culprit. Even the recipient of the wire transfer is likely a fake name and he has fake ID to go with it or a partner who can cash the transfer for him. The ads have been taken down, but the jerk emailed me again today. He said he wrote to the escrow service and found out I had not paid yet. Maybe I'll toy with him for a while...

What's interesting about this scam is that they don't make it look too suspicious. The Nigerians have no idea what we consider to be a realistic price, and often their scams are nothing short of comical. Some of these Spanish scams, however, are much slicker.

This is probably the 5th time I've heard of such a scam. It seems that Spanish and French criminals are specializing in these direct-sales scam, unlike the Nigerians who do mostly the Western Union overpayment scam. These southern Europeans have plausible looking escrow services set up, each of which lasts about 5 days before being abandoned.

Beware when buying now!

Yes this scammer was sort of clever. The ad was for a fairly obscure bike and a price that was only a little bit too low. I was pretty easy to spot though, once I started getting emails, but there are probably some gullible people who wouldn't be suspicious about wiring money to Spain for a bike from Montana.

FRAUD! DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM VALENCIA, SPAIN VIA THE INTERNET!
I SHOULD KNOW, I WAS SCAMMED!

I feel a lot better getting that off my chest! Yes, I was stung, dont ask me for how much, but I will tell you in detail how he operates. Pass the word on to friends or authorities as I am trying to get this guy behind bars as soon as possible. I have already reported him to www.ifccfbi.gov but the more reports, the faster they will respond. I am about to contact Interpol this week. Please dont let this guy get you. His scams are used to catch and trap gullible Americans (yours trully) by listing expensive items that he doesnt have on auction sites in the U.S., namely www.buyselltrades.com and www.recycler.com. This is how he does it:

He browses eBay to find particularly expensive items that seem to be popular with Americans, i.e. Mountain Bikes, Guitars, Pianos, Paintings, etc. He nabs the pictures and descriptions and then lists them on other U.S. auction sites as his, including the two above, not to mention others. Incredible how something so simple can make him literally thousands of U.S. dollars every month.

He goes by several different names: Marin Remus Daniel , John Terier , Eric Hayes , Philip Lawson , but from all that I have been able to gather, his real name is Fernando Moratinos Salcines ( drvrd61@aol.com ). He will reply with a very courteous e-mail addressing himself as (Dr.), and he will tell you that he works in the Military Hospital in Valencia. He'll also claim to have two kids and a wife, who he says is a cop. I think he may actually be a bus driver. Mind you, everything he write is BS, he's just trying to give the impression that he's a 'responsible family man'. He operates his scam using Western Union which he'll accept on this Francisco Moratinos Salcines name or use direct money transfer to Marin Remus Daniel (an accomplice I suppose) or other name. If you ever ask him any detailed questions about the product that he is supposivley selling, he'll never give you a clear or direct answer simply because he doesnt have or own the product!

What he will do is offer to receive a 'down payment' on the item, then he will 'send it out to you'. Afterwards he will print up a shipping label on the UPS.com web site, print it out with your name and address on it, scan it, and e-mail it to you to 'prove that it has been sent'. Luckily I decided to wait until my item arrived (which never did), before sending out the second payment. Meanwhile he was badgering me for the next payment saying that not only did he 'send my package' but also because he had 'a family emergency' and needed cash quickly.

Just by chance, I was surfing eBay a few days after sending payment via Western Union and low and behold, the original real item was up for auction on eBay by the original seller. I notified the original seller about this fraud seller in Valencia, Spain and he said he knew about him and tried to 'shut him down' to no avail. You can imagine how furious I was at discovering I was being taken. I e-mailed him and he never replied. IN FACT, to add insult to injury, the very next day after I discovered his scam and called him on it, he RELISTED the same item that I thought I bought, this time with a HIGHER PRICE!! (I am sure he will laugh with pride at this if he ever reads it).

I have been corresponding with many people regarding this crook and some say that he is an Al Qaida operative collecting funds, others say that he is actually operating in Belgium and uses Spain as a front. His English is quite poor. If you ask him a question about why you should trust him, he will reply (actual quote) "I'm family I don't make a bad jokes with nobody from this world, my wife not suspicious is very suspicious with all peoples, she work at local police in Valencia. I assure you will happy of this deal 100%."

Please let the word get out and let's bring this guy to justice. I am sure other Americans have been taken in and dont know where to turn to or are just ashamed to admit it. All enquiries welcomed. Thank you.

How do you know that his "real name" is Fernando Moratinos Salcines ?? There are so many aliases floating around here, I doubt if any of these names are real.

The latest twist in the world of internet grift is a bunch of scammers operating in southern Europe, and apparently are of Roma (or other southern slavic) decent, which may or may not be part of a larger organized crime enterprise.

A few stories I've heard have resulted in WU money being retrieved in places such as Romania and Albania. If you give enough info, a WU transfer can be picked up anywhere in the world. If you've been scammed, this is the only piece of info that Interpol can use.

Most of the time, however, fake ID is used to pick up money, so your chance of catching these people is slim. Most southern European cities have a thriving underworld, and many of these people are quite proficient in English. These type of scams are also inflicted on the French and the Germans.

As we speak the lying cheating scumbag ( DrVrD61@aol.com ) has two fraud auctions running at the moment on www.buyselltrades.com His seller name is expaint on this site as well as on eBay. Here are his fake auctions currently running the moment.

http://www.buyselltrades.com/auction/detail.asp?id=31573

http://www.buyselltrades.com/auction/detail.asp?id=15952
(this auction expires is 292 days, mind you)

In following on the last long notice that I wrote about him, a reply did finally come from him. And I quote:

"in this deal you are a ******* and very fool...ha ha ha"

When I threatened to take legal action, his reply. Actual quote:

"I WAIT YOU COME IN VALENCIA...F-CK YOU !" (I intentionally omitted the U)

I have contacted www.buyselltrades.com about this fraudulent seller and they couldnt care less. I am waiting for the IFCC reply. All replies, info welcomed.

...if I just see an ad for a nice bike at a nice price (IF Planet Cross, Cyclocross ad #46831)but the ad is posted by "John T" (from LA), I should be more than a little wary? I have e-mailed regarding info on bike but have had no reply as of yet. Since I don't have experience with ebay or other online auction type sites, what is the safest method of payment for these services? These scams are making me all too suspicious...am I going to have to pay full price for brand spankin new?

Use paypal only. Never, ever send money through Western Union. Beware of anything coming from a "junk" email like yahoo.com, hotmail.com, etc. Buy from established, reputable sellers. This sale has been removed, so I assume it was a scam.

Use paypal only. Never, ever send money through Western Union. Beware of anything coming from a "junk" email like yahoo.com, hotmail.com, etc. Buy from established, reputable sellers. This sale has been removed, so I assume it was a scam.

Yup its a scam! I wrote the dude before the ad was removed - I came back to see the pics again and got suspicious. Plus the fake escrow site has broken images everywhere.

The only legit escrow site is escrow.com.

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This is the first time i am selling something over the internet.

We will use to complete the sale a secure escrow service.They are safe,fast and cheap.

Please visit www.register-escrow.com and if you agree on their terms we can proceed with the deal.

I am waiting your decision

Thank you


Perry Longinotti <xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Are you willing to ship to Canada?

Do you have any selling references? eBay or Heatware, perhaps?

Perry

Bodydama posted:

his real name is Fernando Moratinos Salcines ( drvrd61@aol.com ). He will reply with a very courteous e-mail addressing himself as (Dr.), and he will tell you that he works in the Military Hospital in Valencia.

Ohhh, you're so cute, you really think that this is his real name? So i can give you his ID and driving license scans. But don't worry, Fernando Moratinos Salcines is only a poor victim who get ripped of his ID and driving license somewhere.

I traced his email down to England, so Valencia is also not his hometown, he's coming from the region of Slough in the UK. Hereby my email tracing (NOT the IP in the email header)

Location Slough, United Kingdom (81% likelihood)
Opened on cache-frr-ac12.proxy.aol.com (195.93.60.82:37988),cache-frr-ac06.proxy.aol.com (195.93.60.76:46241)
Language of recipient's PC: en-us (English/United States)
Browser used by recipient: Moozilla

Hope this will help you

all the best

Chris

P.S.: some say that he is an Al Qaida operative collecting funds, others say that he is actually operating in Belgium and uses Spain as a front
=> don't believe everything "someones saying" and did you like Foxnews? Are you really that simple in the US?

FRAUD! DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM VALENCIA, SPAIN VIA THE INTERNET!
I SHOULD KNOW, I WAS SCAMMED!


He goes by several different names: Marin Remus Daniel , John Terier , Eric Hayes , Philip Lawson , but from all that I have been able to gather, his real name is Fernando Moratinos Salcines ( drvrd61@aol.com ). He will reply with a very courteous e-mail addressing himself as (Dr.), and he will tell you that he works in the Military Hospital in Valencia. He'll also claim to have two kids and a wife, who he says is a cop. I think he may actually be a bus driver. Mind you, everything he write is BS, he's just trying to give the impression that he's a 'responsible family man'. He operates his scam using Western Union which he'll accept on this Francisco Moratinos Salcines name or use direct money transfer to Marin Remus Daniel (an accomplice I suppose) or other name. If you ever ask him any detailed questions about the product that he is supposivley selling, he'll never give you a clear or direct answer simply because he doesnt have or own the product!

What he will do is offer to receive a 'down payment' on the item, then he will 'send it out to you'. Afterwards he will print up a shipping label on the UPS.com web site, print it out with your name and address on it, scan it, and e-mail it to you to 'prove that it has been sent'. Luckily I decided to wait until my item arrived (which never did), before sending out the second payment. Meanwhile he was badgering me for the next payment saying that not only did he 'send my package' but also because he had 'a family emergency' and needed cash quickly.



Please let the word get out and let's bring this guy to justice. I am sure other Americans have been taken in and dont know where to turn to or are just ashamed to admit it. All enquiries welcomed. Thank you.

Hi there
I am glad (I should not i case of my bad experience) to found out this thread, because today I had made a wire transaction to this guy for a motorbike, but I stopped it immediately after I had read this memos and experiances with him.
I am from Germany and Dr. Fernando Moratinos Salcines is now dealing with motorbikes and he also recommend a erscrow company called Hayes-international.net Link: www.hayes-international.net - Be aware this also changes something on your computer and the settings of the IE.
The site looks better the the other scamer sites but the login procedure causes a bad gut feeling.
Hope we will get this BB by his b :o)
And in addition I am hoping to get back my money - there is a good chance, because after 5 hours I stopped the transaction and send all the stuff to the my bank and they send it to the bank of valencia (hopefully he can not endue the money after such a short period)

I will keep you informed about this.

Kind regards

Andreas

PS.: If anybody needs help from myside tho burn this guy - I will be ready for it.

Hi there
I am glad (I should not i case of my bad experience) to found out this thread, because today I had made a wire transaction to this guy for a motorbike, but I stopped it immediately after I had read this memos and experiances with him.
I am from Germany and Dr. Fernando Moratinos Salcines is now dealing with motorbikes and he also recommend a erscrow company called Hayes-international.net Link: www.hayes-international.net - Be aware this also changes something on your computer and the settings of the IE.
The site looks better the the other scamer sites but the login procedure causes a bad gut feeling.
Hope we will get this BB by his b :o)
And in addition I am hoping to get back my money - there is a good chance, because after 5 hours I stopped the transaction and send all the stuff to the my bank and they send it to the bank of valencia (hopefully he can not endue the money after such a short period)

I will keep you informed about this.

Kind regards

Andreas

PS.: If anybody needs help from myside tho burn this guy - I will be
ready for it.


UPDATE: Here is the Bank account which the faked escrow-service is using at the moment:

Agent Name: TERRY GLOVER
Agent Address: ISLA CABRERA,3
City : VALENCIA
Zip Code: 46026
Country: SPAIN
Bank Name: BANCO DE VALENCIA
Office: 0168
Bank Adress: AVDA. BURJASOT, Nº93
City: VALENCIA
Country: SPAIN
Swift Code: V A L E E S V V
Account Number:
Iban Code:

Kind regards

Moderators Note:

I understand everyone's zeal to get the scammers, as I share it. However, please do not post any specific bank information account numbers or personal id numbers, as these may (or likely) have been stolen from some innocent person who will only be harmed by posting the information on a public board.

Good luck-

Coolhand

Moderators Note:

I understand everyone's zeal to get the scammers, as I share it. However, please do not post any specific bank information account numbers or personal id numbers, as these may (or likely) have been stolen from some innocent person who will only be harmed by posting the information on a public board.

Good luck-

Coolhand

Hi Coolhand

GOT IT - Sorry but I am upset obiut this BB

Kind regards

Offroader

I am curious to know if you got your money back? I recently checked to see what internet crimes the perpetrator continues to commit at www.buyselltrades.com and its the same guitar and oil painting.

http://www.buyselltrades.com/auction/detail.asp?id=45000

http://www.buyselltrades.com/auction/detail.asp?id=15952

This time I noticed that he removed his e-mail address so that it wont be able to found on a google search. Also, the description doesnt say Valencia, Spain anymore. The words Valencia + Internet Sales have come to be associated with Internet crime. In case you have been ripped off, here is the Spanish Police Internet Fraud Department'S web site: (http://delitosinformaticos.com/denuncias.shtml). They speak English and are quite helpful. Let us know how things went. They're e-mail address is: fraudeinternet@policia.es

Hi there
I am glad (I should not i case of my bad experience) to found out this thread, because today I had made a wire transaction to this guy for a motorbike, but I stopped it immediately after I had read this memos and experiances with him.
I am from Germany and Dr. Fernando Moratinos Salcines is now dealing with motorbikes and he also recommend a erscrow company called Hayes-international.net Link: www.hayes-international.net - Be aware this also changes something on your computer and the settings of the IE.
The site looks better the the other scamer sites but the login procedure causes a bad gut feeling.
Hope we will get this BB by his b :o)
And in addition I am hoping to get back my money - there is a good chance, because after 5 hours I stopped the transaction and send all the stuff to the my bank and they send it to the bank of valencia (hopefully he can not endue the money after such a short period)

I will keep you informed about this.

Kind regards

Andreas

PS.: If anybody needs help from myside tho burn this guy - I will be ready for it.