It took him 20 years and a presidential campaign that is floundering to make this proclamation? I didn't see or read of any apology either. Just another lie by the great Wright hope. Change anyone?

Obama would have left if Wright stayed

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White House hopeful Barack Obama suggests he would have left his Chicago church had his longtime pastor, whose fiery anti-American comments about U.S. foreign policy and race relations threatened Obama's campaign, not stepped down.


"Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church," Obama said Thursday during a taping of the ABC talk show, "The View." The interview will be broadcast Friday.

His campaign is floundering? I had no idea. I should watch Fox News more often to get good information like that.

His campaign is floundering? I had no idea. I should watch Fox News more often to get good information like that.


I was wondering the same thing. Maybe Steam didn't catch this thread:

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=126030




By the way, I think it would do Obama good to let this one go and quit trying to restate his views/position/whatever. Only the folks who would never vote for him in the first place give a damn about this any more.





joe

By the way, I think it would do Obama good to let this one go and quit trying to restate his views/position/whatever. Only the folks who would never vote for him in the first place give a damn about this any more.
Good point, except I'm sure he's asked about it ad naseaum.

I just think it's funny (or sad) that we sit here arguing with people who are content getting all their information in filtered form from irresponsible "news" sources.

///Btw, Steam, Rydster misuses "principle" in your signature. The correct word in that context would be "principal." You should at least use a [sic] after it so everyone knows it's not your f-up. HTH. :thumbsup:

It's wonderful to see the Republicans rallying, not around their own candidate, but around hate for anyone who does not toe the line of their views.

It's wonderful to see the Republicans rallying, not around their own candidate, but around hate for anyone who does not toe the line of their views.

It is the most unifying thing they've got to go on now.

Lets, see, the way? Nope. The economy? No way. Social issues? Not so much.

Good point, except I'm sure he's asked about it ad naseaum.

I just think it's funny (or sad) that we sit here arguing with people who are content getting all their information in filtered form from irresponsible "news" sources.

///Btw, Steam, Rydster misuses "principle" in your signature. The correct word in that context would be "principal." You should at least use a [sic] after it so everyone knows it's not your f-up. HTH. :thumbsup:

and where do you get the responsible information aka The Truth? from those w/ the same political affiliation? Obama campaign headquarters?

It's wonderful to see the Republicans rallying, not around their own candidate, but around hate for anyone who does not toe the line of their views.

hate? the only hatred i can see is from a Black theology leadership but you guys deny it w/ so much fervour i can sense a religious virtue behind it.:D

and where do you get the responsible information aka The Truth? from those w/ the same political affiliation? Obama campaign headquarters?


That particular piece of information came from a little libbie rag called The Wall Street Journal.





joe

That particular piece of information came from a little libbie rag called The Wall Street Journal.


joe

pwnd!

/ can't wait for the rejoinder....

and where do you get the responsible information aka The Truth? from those w/ the same political affiliation? Obama campaign headquarters?
As it happens, I get my information from all over the place. I even watch Fox News once a week or so to keep my finger on the pulse of Republican misinformation. On the other side of that coin, what are the chances that any of the conservatives here will read Huffington Post or Raw Story or Truthout?

You understand, of course, that it's been proven in studies that Fox viewers are more misinformed about current events than viewers of other networks, right? And you understand that a lot of the conservatives around here just regurgitate what they see on Fox News, right?

Look, this guy has has over 40 years to Americanize his name and he hasn't done it. What does that say? It says that he doesn't really care about fitting into American society. It's analogous to continuing the customs of ones country of origin. What has made this country so great is that past immigrants have worked hard to blend in and adopt the American way of life. This guy is the opposite. He has no shame with maintaining a muslim name. He is not a muslim. He grew up in America and yet he hasn't figured out that his name is a distraction.

If Obama can't figure out that his name is un-American, how do you expect him to figure out that his spiritual advisor is un-American? You would think that changing his name to say Barry Obama or Barack O'Brian would would have been obvious to him by now but apparently not and it shows a real character flaw when it comes to his judgement.

this will be fun to watch in the next few hours.

Look, this guy has has over 40 years to Americanize his name and he hasn't done it. What does that say? It says that he doesn't really care about fitting into American society. It's analogous to continuing the customs of ones country of origin. What has made this country so great is that past immigrants have worked hard to blend in and adopt the American way of life. This guy is the opposite. He has no shame with maintaining a muslim name. He is not a muslim. He grew up in America and yet he hasn't figured out that his name is a distraction.

If Obama can't figure out that his name is un-American, how do you expect him to figure out that his spiritual advisor is un-American? You would think that changing his name to say Barry Obama or Barack O'Brian would would have been obvious to him by now but apparently not and it shows a real character flaw when it comes to his judgement.


This is my most favoritist post evar! Especially the part I put in bold.






joe

Look, this guy has has over 40 years to Americanize his name and he hasn't done it. What does that say? It says that he doesn't really care about fitting into American society. It's analogous to continuing the customs of ones country of origin. What has made this country so great is that past immigrants have worked hard to blend in and adopt the American way of life. This guy is the opposite. He has no shame with maintaining a muslim name. He is not a muslim. He grew up in America and yet he hasn't figured out that his name is a distraction.

If Obama can't figure out that his name is un-American, how do you expect him to figure out that his spiritual advisor is un-American? You would think that changing his name to say Barry Obama or Barack O'Brian would would have been obvious to him by now but apparently not and it shows a real character flaw when it comes to his judgement.
I think you should be banned, as I feel dirty after reading this.

What, exactly, do you consider "Americanized?" Isn't the beauty of this country and what makes it so damn great the fact that we've accepted people of all colors, races and religions to come over here and build a life? Isn't the beauty of this country that people specifically don't have to disown their religion or ethnicity to live here?

Does "Americanized" mean you have to separate yourself from your roots, become a redneck in the south and hang any "un-American" people from trees?

What's the official color of "Americanized" people? What is their official religion?

More importantly, does this Americanized land contain Indian food? Because if not........





joe

Look, this guy has has over 40 years to Americanize his name and he hasn't done it. What does that say? It says that he doesn't really care about fitting into American society. It's analogous to continuing the customs of ones country of origin. What has made this country so great is that past immigrants have worked hard to blend in and adopt the American way of life. This guy is the opposite. He has no shame with maintaining a muslim name. He is not a muslim. He grew up in America and yet he hasn't figured out that his name is a distraction.

If Obama can't figure out that his name is un-American, how do you expect him to figure out that his spiritual advisor is un-American? You would think that changing his name to say Barry Obama or Barack O'Brian would would have been obvious to him by now but apparently not and it shows a real character flaw when it comes to his judgement.

huh...:idea:
i believe you shot yourself in the foot.

Look, this guy has has over 40 years to Americanize his name and he hasn't done it. What does that say? It says that he doesn't really care about fitting into American society. It's analogous to continuing the customs of ones country of origin. What has made this country so great is that past immigrants have worked hard to blend in and adopt the American way of life. This guy is the opposite. He has no shame with maintaining a muslim name. He is not a muslim. He grew up in America and yet he hasn't figured out that his name is a distraction.

If Obama can't figure out that his name is un-American, how do you expect him to figure out that his spiritual advisor is un-American? You would think that changing his name to say Barry Obama or Barack O'Brian would would have been obvious to him by now but apparently not and it shows a real character flaw when it comes to his judgement.

I like how his statement is so entirely and completely ignorant, people aren't even trying to debate this troll. Though I think he's a troll and is just trying to get a rise, what scares me is I think there are people out there that really think this way.

huh...:idea:
i believe you shot yourself in the foot.

more like head!
any chance "the rydster" has another alias?

Look, this guy has has over 40 years to Americanize his name and he hasn't done it. What does that say? It says that he doesn't really care about fitting into American society. It's analogous to continuing the customs of ones country of origin. What has made this country so great is that past immigrants have worked hard to blend in and adopt the American way of life. This guy is the opposite. He has no shame with maintaining a muslim name. He is not a muslim. He grew up in America and yet he hasn't figured out that his name is a distraction.

If Obama can't figure out that his name is un-American, how do you expect him to figure out that his spiritual advisor is un-American? You would think that changing his name to say Barry Obama or Barack O'Brian would would have been obvious to him by now but apparently not and it shows a real character flaw when it comes to his judgement.


WTF... O'Brian? Oh yeah, you changed it from O'Brien therefore it's "Americanized"... we get it now. :rolleyes:


Hoo, I think I'm ready to take a week long timeout just burn this "nice old man" to the ground.

I like how his statement is so entirely and completely ignorant, people aren't even trying to debate this troll. Though I think he's a troll and is just trying to get a rise, what scares me is I think there are people out there that really think this way.

+1...

Ahh, come on, Steam--that's just some reverse psychology wacko fascist mind trick, right?
Wright probably IS an issue, but he shouldn't be. He's just ONE nutjob preacher. McCain's lined up with about six of them, including some even he couldn't stomach when he called them "agents of intolerance." Changed his mind right quick when he realized he couldn't get elected without the crazies.

Ahh, come on, Steam--that's just some reverse psychology wacko fascist mind trick, right?
Wright probably IS an issue, but he shouldn't be. He's just ONE nutjob preacher. McCain's lined up with about six of them, including some even he couldn't stomach when he called them "agents of intolerance." Changed his mind right quick when he realized he couldn't get elected without the crazies.

the comparison is wrong.. and the Obama campaigners are shooting themselves here. McCain is strategically linked to nutjobs. it's clearly a political alliance. he makes efforts to link w/those people.
Obama made all the efforts to dissociate from the Rev. who was his advisor for 20 yrs.

the message from each of those churches is slightly different. the black community is a minority when seen from many states and there is a culture of fear and confrontation between black and white people.
the "white" side of it could be said to be even worse: more hypocrite, more toxic, more violent...but those revs play it down. it's full on hypocrisy. and it works.
denouncing it does not help set Rev wright as a trans race settler. it makes the presidential race akin to religious/ race war and we know who wins it.
the right strategy would be to change the subject. Obama seems to have the gift of rhetoric. he can talk about important subjects w/a passion like no other. he raises the bar.
now his campaigners have to follow his lead. forget chelsea, hillary, mccain and raise the bar. it's the winning way.

He is obviously a troll. He has five posts on RBR and they're all in PO.

You are correct on another thing, there are more people out there like this. Here's a few.


http://www.ucctruths.com/barack_obama_jeremiah_wright.jpg

http://grizzlygroundswell.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/sharpton_obama.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/42/75971551_625290e153.jpg

My point is that Obama's name is a distraction. It distracts from his message and it gives the perception that he doesn't want to integrate. There is nothing wrong with keeping cultural ties to ones heritage. Speaking spanish or italian or retaining your religious heritage is all fine but that's not what I am talking about. What I am talking about is assimilation in the larger American society. This includes learning English and speaking without an accent, familiarizing yourself with the American way of life and obeying our laws and practices. If that type of mentality makes me a redneck then so be it. But, I think that most Americans feel as I do and not as some of you do about this topic of integrating into American society. And that's probably why you have no clue as to why the Republicans do so well on election day.

If any of you don't believe that Obama's name has been a huge distraction in this election then you haven't been paying attention.

which accent do you recommend: texas? california? or Boston?
on another note.. would Kim, Moishe or Kurt be accepted names or should those be changed as well?
and lastly; if i told you America is a nation made of many cultural heritages and that's what distinguish it's character .. would you be shocked?

your post is so ignorant and what the frig is English without an accent? Jebus, watch out for the; accent, clothing, name, morality and culture police. No it doesn't make you a redneck, makes you sound like a twat. Most Americans don't feel like you do cause most Americans realize that their country is built on diversity and immigration. Maybe you should go to 1937 Germany to find like minded people.

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe Steam didn't catch this thread:

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=126030




By the way, I think it would do Obama good to let this one go and quit trying to restate his views/position/whatever. Only the folks who would never vote for him in the first place give a damn about this any more.





joe

That's because we saw through him from the beginning and the rest of you are blinded by the light. Ask yourself if you would give a damn if he were the Republican candidate and not the Democratic one. It should matter to you because it is who he is at his core.

Ewe. I think your post, unless edited, will get you a day or two on the "banned wagon".

That's because we saw through him from the beginning and the rest of you are blinded by the light. Ask yourself if you would give a damn if he were the Republican candidate and not the Democratic one. It should matter to you because it is who he is at his core.

No it shouldn't. I don't care if someone has to label themselves as a Republican or a Democrat to get on the ballot. The fact is I more closely align with a Libertarian candidate, but anyone who runs as one stands no chance getting elected. Therefore I would rather my Libertarian candidate run in one of the two majors parties, since at least then he (or she) can get elected. A Repub. or Dem. label does not tell you who someone is at the core, just ask Giuliani.

I truly don't understand how you could think this way. Would you vote for your party's candidate no matter how he compared to the competition? Talk about being blinded by the light.

Ewe. I think your post, unless edited, will get you a day or two on the "banned wagon".

Right! should edit out twat which means: a man who is a stupid incompetent fool. Well, there is another meaning, but will not go there. Even I respect you more than that.

Unless, he thought it means: Copy...Paste...Cherry Pick...anything that fits a negative objective.

Hey, don't blame ya, You're a con and we know McSRUB has no chance against Obama. Only hope is Shilliary, but won't happen.

BTW, polls are meaningless until the dems have a nominee. BUT, If that makes you feel good, right on.

I really like this one of the two lover boys, don't you? Makes me feel good! Looks like a little girl, kissing up to daddy. The dem's should keep posting this over and over and over. Makes the little pumped up war hero look like a wimp.:thumbsup:

Even though it it threads under my post, I don't believe it was meant for me. I think it was meant for CY.

You understand, of course, that it's been proven in studies that Fox viewers are more misinformed about current events than viewers of other networks, right? And you understand that a lot of the conservatives around here just regurgitate what they see on Fox News, right?
+1

I was talking about something very similar to this yesterday with my brother. I was explaining to him how without looking past an event's start date, it will be as if you were born the day before it. I used the Mexican Independence as an example. It didn't just happen because of the Grito de Dolores. Events in far off lands led to it. Events as far as the French Revolution. And analyzing those events gives a clearer picture of the event in question. The other example I used was the Vietnam War. That one doesn't make sense until you look at France as a colonial power, the Vietnamese independence movement, the Truman Doctrine and policy of containment. But of course a typical Fox News viewer would have trouble seeing the indirect causes of events; the chain of events is too much to handle. I would think that the constant flashing of rotating news is there for a reason, not to put out as much news bits as possible, but to get them out and not have enough time to think about them, and therefore trust and talk about what you just heard in a sound bite.

My point is that Obama's name is a distraction. It distracts from his message and it gives the perception that he doesn't want to integrate. There is nothing wrong with keeping cultural ties to ones heritage. Speaking spanish or italian or retaining your religious heritage is all fine but that's not what I am talking about. What I am talking about is assimilation in the larger American society. This includes learning English and speaking without an accent, familiarizing yourself with the American way of life and obeying our laws and practices. If that type of mentality makes me a redneck then so be it. But, I think that most Americans feel as I do and not as some of you do about this topic of integrating into American society. And that's probably why you have no clue as to why the Republicans do so well on election day.

If any of you don't believe that Obama's name has been a huge distraction in this election then you haven't been paying attention.

If the name is too distracting, you probably don't have the attention span to understand anything more relevant to the cause. There were people like me who found the name mildly ironic and interesting, much like "Dick" as in "Dick" Cheney, but after a while, it's only the adolescent, and finally only the children who still find it distracting. This election isn't for children anyways. Obama's making it a grown-up affair.

My point is that Obama's name is a distraction. It distracts from his message and it gives the perception that he doesn't want to integrate. There is nothing wrong with keeping cultural ties to ones heritage. Speaking spanish or italian or retaining your religious heritage is all fine but that's not what I am talking about. What I am talking about is assimilation in the larger American society. This includes learning English and speaking without an accent, familiarizing yourself with the American way of life and obeying our laws and practices. If that type of mentality makes me a redneck then so be it. But, I think that most Americans feel as I do and not as some of you do about this topic of integrating into American society. And that's probably why you have no clue as to why the Republicans do so well on election day.

If any of you don't believe that Obama's name has been a huge distraction in this election then you haven't been paying attention.


I don't think most Americans feel as you do. The strength of our nation is in it's diversity. I serve in the military and many members of our armed forces speak with an accent and you won't find a more patriotic group. Have you ever spent any time in a community with a large Filipino population? Unless you are used to it, you might only catch every other word, but on every major holiday there is an American flag to be seen in any direction you look. They love their adopted home and people like that make me proud to serve.

Lastly, I vote republican and any success of the party has nothing to do with narrow and bigoted views.

Excluding religion.