I have an opportunity to pick up a brand new 2006 Colnago dream b stay for $1200 (Airplane aluminum and rear carbon stays)

Is this a good deal? Does anyone have an opinion as to how this frame would compare to an Orbea Onix full carbon frame?
Thanks

I had a 2005 Dream B-Stay and found it to be a bit flexi in the bottom bracket. I went to a aluminium Cervelo Soloist and was shocked at how much more stiff the Soloist was. $1200 seems like a good price as long as the frame is not used.

Cheers!

I have an opportunity to pick up a brand new 2006 Colnago dream b stay for $1200 (Airplane aluminum and rear carbon stays)

Is this a good deal? Does anyone have an opinion as to how this frame would compare to an Orbea Onix full carbon frame?
Thanks

Thanks. I always heard that the Dream was know to be pretty stiff given the aluminum frame?? The last thing I want is a flexi frame.
Is your Cervelo full carbon?

I'm 190 pounds and like stiff frames- unlike the poster above, I don't sense any unwarranted or unwelcome flex in the BB of my HX stay'd Dream. The full carbon rear kills some road buzz, but I think the penalty of the lapped joints is a bit of extra weight. My 52 sloping (56.3 TT) weighs 3.25 pounds, not exceptionally light in this age, and heavier than my last all aluminum frame. I'm totally speculating, but I'm guessing the Dream will be a stiffer frame than the monocoque carbon Onix. Lastly, that price is about half of what I paid for mine with a Star fork.

I had both the aluminum and carbon Soloists. The carbon version was as stiff as the aluminium however is was a much nicer ride - no harshness. The only issue with the full carbon version was that the front-end was rather sloppy. You noticed the steer tube flex when climbing out of the seat.

Don't get me wrong, the Dream was a great bike however I found the aluminium Soloist to be more stiff. You can't go wrong for $1200.

Cheers!

Thanks. I always heard that the Dream was know to be pretty stiff given the aluminum frame?? The last thing I want is a flexi frame.
Is your Cervelo full carbon?

The dream is stiff, I have an 03 or 04 that I'm about to sell. The front end I find is downright harsh. The bike feels a bit slow in it's handling, which I attribute to the Colnago geometry slack head tube. It's very stable though. It's also a bit heavy. I never weighed mine, but a friend has one built up with Record and K's and it is 18.75 pounds. I keep thinking his bars and seat post and stem must be pretty heavy????
There are a lot of bikes out there... look for the right one.

It's all relative. I'm so surprised to hear comments about the Dream being flexy or not stiff enough. I'm on the market and have test ridden the a 2006 Dream and 2007 Dream (granted: I don't own one) and compared to many aluminum bikes and entry level carbon, the Dream is stiff and very responsive. I bet you $1000 that the Dream will be more stiff than the Onix. The Orca would be a different story but every entry level carbon I've been riding feels like a noodle compared to the Dream (or the Bianchi 1885). Dream is high end aluminum and Onix is entry level carbon.

As to the Dream being "slow in it's handling," keep in mind that the top tube in your Colnago should be about 1 cm shorter than most other bikes, with a stem 1 cm longer. Your weight needs to be a bit more over the wheels on Colnago's. If you have the right fit, it handles like a Ferrari.

I have owned Colnagos and you can proably tell I'm a bit biased.....

The Dream will handle like a Colnago - composed and very much in control. I find Orbeas to be a bit twitchy.

[QUOTE=kike_gavilan]It's all relative. I'm so surprised to hear comments about the Dream being flexy or not stiff enough. /QUOTE]

There is NOTHING flexy about the Dream.

[QUOTE=kike_gavilan]It's all relative. I'm so surprised to hear comments about the Dream being flexy or not stiff enough. /QUOTE]

There is NOTHING flexy about the Dream.
+1 from me. I've never flexed my Dream.

I've ridden a Dream in a larger size, it was in no way flexible. I've also got an aluminum Orbea that I find a little flexy in the front end; the Dream's top tube is probably twice the size of my TT. The person who I was borrowing the dream from is probably 50 pounds heavier than I; he also is impressed by the stiffness.

I had a 2005 Dream B-Stay and found it to be a bit flexi in the bottom bracket.

I know it may sound silly but are you sure the flexi bit you were feeling wasn't from the rear carbon stays? When I tested a 2004 Dream B-Stay I found the carbon fork and rear stays very comfortable but abit too soft. It was abit like riding a rocking horse to be honest....

This is quite possible. I stated that the Dream had much more give than the Aluminium Soliost that I pruchased. I rode the two bikes back-to-back and clearly noted the difference. When looking down, I could clearly see the BB area shifting left and right as I applied force to the cranks. To notice this on the road is generally not as easy as when on a trainer. I could not see this while on the road with the Soloist.

Cheers!

I know it may sound silly but are you sure the flexi bit you were feeling wasn't from the rear carbon stays? When I tested a 2004 Dream B-Stay I found the carbon fork and rear stays very comfortable but abit too soft. It was abit like riding a rocking horse to be honest....

This is quite possible. I stated that the Dream had much more give than the Aluminium Soliost that I pruchased. I rode the two bikes back-to-back and clearly noted the difference. When looking down, I could clearly see the BB area shifting left and right as I applied force to the cranks. To notice this on the road is generally not as easy as when on a trainer. I could not see this while on the road with the Soloist.
Cheers!


I tested the Dream about 4 years ago now and I recall riding this and a C40, plus a De Rosa Team, all the same day. The Dream as I say was a rocking horse, the C40 although good looking and fast but was abit 'springy' for me and the Team was the best on the day for me. Nice and stiff (but not over stiff) with very reactive steering, I got off the Team with the biggest smile on my face. I now have a Team....(I understand the new Dream has changed alot now with HX stays etc looks good!)

I'm 190 pounds and like stiff frames- unlike the poster above, I don't sense any unwarranted or unwelcome flex in the BB of my HX stay'd Dream. The full carbon rear kills some road buzz, but I think the penalty of the lapped joints is a bit of extra weight. My 52 sloping (56.3 TT) weighs 3.25 pounds, not exceptionally light in this age, and heavier than my last all aluminum frame.


I'm interested in the Dream HX. I'm around the same weight as you and like stiff uns myself. Did you compare your Dream HX to anything else before and since buying to see how it compares in stiffness/ride terms?

my previous road bike was an '01 Schwinn Fastback Factory, apparently made by Yeti of 6000-something. It had a very sloped TT and tight triangles, weighed just under 3 pounds in 56.5, and climbed like the proverbial scalded muppet. I had ridden friends' '00 Kestrel 200Sci (a wet noodle under me, I could watch the top tube bend laterally back and forth when climbing), a custom steel frame of Columbus Neuron (oddly flexy in the head tube/handlebars for me, never felt that before), an Ibis Sonoma made of Easton Scandium (supposedly 2 made by Nicol- light, swift and sweet), and the carbon Roubaix and Tarmac from the LBS (both nice, but more than I wanted to pay for big brand Taiwanese bikes with lots of propreitary bits). I wasn't real eager to buy a $$$$ 2-pound carbon frame after both the Kestrel and Scandium Ibis failed on group rides. I ordered the Dream sight unseen - I've reviewed it elsewhere, but I'll say quickly that it delivers Colnago style in spades, for a goodly amount of dough. I could have had a local custom builder (Sycip) build me a lighter frame for less coin, and it took me a while to get used to its geometry. Its a solid feeling ride, maybe less of an eager climber & sprinter than the Factory but easier on the backside over the long haul and more stable at speed.

[QUOTE= I ordered the Dream sight unseen - I've reviewed it elsewhere, but I'll say quickly that it delivers Colnago style in spades, for a goodly amount of dough. I could have had a local custom builder (Sycip) build me a lighter frame for less coin, and it took me a while to get used to its geometry. Its a solid feeling ride, maybe less of an eager climber & sprinter than the Factory but easier on the backside over the long haul and more stable at speed.[/QUOTE]

So it sounds pretty good then. Is yours the sloping version? I've seen pro teams ride the HX Dream (Tinkoff for one) for their trining rides, so its definatly the dogs'!:cool: I just didn't like the older Dream b-stay when I rode it, way to flexi for me, so would be interested to see how much different the HX stays make to the ride....

Is yours the sloping version? .

Yup, 53 Sloping/56.3 TT. Its >barely< sloping, probably designed slight enough as to not offend Old Skoolers, or Ernesto. He says he doesn't like compact frames but offers them per the demands of the market. The rest of the geometry seems exactly the same as the 58ST/56.3TT frame.