Well, according to Wright, "Obama hasn't disavowed him, nor has he distanced himself from Rev. Wright." This is a major problem for Obama. Even if he's not responsible for Wright's comments, they will always be linked to Obama.

Obama has said on Fox News over this weekend that the "Wright issue is a legitimate campaign issue." This has opened himself to attacks from not only Hillary, but more specifically and more importantly, Obama has opened himself up to attacks from the neocon GOP on the Wright issue. This makes him a weaker candidate.

Is this really the issue Democrats want to be talking about come November? This issue exposes Obama as a novice. He thinks he can explain away this controversy, but how do you explain something when people decide to stop listening?

The Rev. Wright issue exploded back in early March, it's now late April. So, for almost 2 months Obama hasn't been able to get beyond the Wright issue cause he chose not to disavow Rev. Wright. This was a poor calculation on Obama's part that the Supers should not, and will not, overlook...

The Wright issue is not the issue Democrats want to be defending come November.

Has everyone heard...

HEATH LEDGER IS STILL DEAD!

Well, according to Wright, "Obama hasn't disavowed him, nor has he distanced himself from Rev. Wright." This is a major problem for Obama. Even if he's not responsible for Wright's comments, they will always be linked to Obama.

Obama has said on Fox News over this weekend that the "Wright issue is a legitimate campaign issue." This has opened himself to attacks from not only Hillary, but more specifically and more importantly, Obama has opened himself up to attacks from the neocon GOP on the Wright issue. This makes him a weaker candidate.

Is this really the issue Democrats want to be talking about come November? This issue exposes Obama as a novice. He thinks he can explain away this controversy, but how do you explain something when people decide to stop listening?

The Rev. Wright issue exploded back in early March, it's now late April. So, for almost 2 months Obama hasn't been able to get beyond the Wright issue cause he chose not to disavow Rev. Wright. This was a poor calculation on Obama's part that the Supers should not, and will not, overlook...

The Wright issue is not the issue Democrats want to be defending come November.


While I am normally on the opposite side of Spydie, I have to agree with him on this one. I watched the speech and the follow up questions and I found him to be divisive and dismissive. Obama would be wise to get as far away as possible.

Spydie is on to something but despite Wright, Obama matches up against McCain better than Hillary. Super delegates go with Barrack! Hillary spits the dummy and the economy goes deeper into the toilet. President Obama for four years. Gingrich vs Clinton in 2012?

While I am normally on the opposite side of Spydie, I have to agree with him on this one. I watched the speech and the follow up questions and I found him to be divisive and dismissive. Obama would be wise to get as far away as possible.

Please explain how he is "divisive and dismissive?"

If the truth is "divisive," I suppose Wright is.

Well, according to Wright, "Obama hasn't disavowed him, nor has he distanced himself from Rev. Wright." This is a major problem for Obama. Even if he's not responsible for Wright's comments, they will always be linked to Obama.

Obama has said on Fox News over this weekend that the "Wright issue is a legitimate campaign issue." This has opened himself to attacks from not only Hillary, but more specifically and more importantly, Obama has opened himself up to attacks from the neocon GOP on the Wright issue. This makes him a weaker candidate.

Is this really the issue Democrats want to be talking about come November? This issue exposes Obama as a novice. He thinks he can explain away this controversy, but how do you explain something when people decide to stop listening?

The Rev. Wright issue exploded back in early March, it's now late April. So, for almost 2 months Obama hasn't been able to get beyond the Wright issue cause he chose not to disavow Rev. Wright. This was a poor calculation on Obama's part that the Supers should not, and will not, overlook...

The Wright issue is not the issue Democrats want to be defending come November.

to take this issue head on. They should figuratively start punching the Republicans and never stop. That is the only way you can deal with these people. Contest everything.

The whole philosophy of the Republican party is at least a 75 year old fraud designed to dismantle the New Deal.

I respect Obama for not throwing this guy "under the bus"--but having said that, I think he probably should have. You need to win in order to govern, and this guy is already a major distraction.

I agree with Dick Morris (!!???!!??) that Wright was merely a political connection Obama needed to make, in order to root himself in the Chicago scene. But as a national candidate I think he should've distanced himself from this guy a LONG time ago.

religious demagogues are bad, and if we're going to criticize the Robertson/Falwell/Hagee folks, then I don't see why this guy should get a pass simply because he's to the left or he supports Obama.

disclaimer: I'm an Obama supporter, but this Wright guy is loco. The "AIDs conspiracy" comments are ridiculous.

"That is the only way you can deal with these people"
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Hmmmmm....I think that this phrase has been used in the past.
I know quite a few Pubs who seem to be normal sorts of people, just like there are some who are idiots. The same could be said about Dems.

Please explain how he is "divisive and dismissive?"

If the truth is "divisive," I suppose Wright is.

I found him dismissive in the way that he answered the questions following his speech. Did you watch it?

I found Scalia dismissive in the way he answered questions in a recent interview. Puts him in good company.

While I am normally on the opposite side of Spydie, I have to agree with him on this one. I watched the speech and the follow up questions and I found him to be divisive and dismissive. Obama would be wise to get as far away as possible.

Obama has gotten away from him. It's people like Spydie who keep dragging him back.

I found Scalia dismissive in the way he answered questions in a recent interview. Puts him in good company.

I thought this thread was about Rev Wright. Did you watch the speech followed by the question and answer session? I don't think you did, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to deflect.

Is this really the issue Democrats want to be talking about come November?
No, it's the issue YOU apparently want to talk about forever and ever and ever. The only reason this thing has come back so strongly right now is because Wright gave an interview to Bill Moyers. But it will fade, just like it faded before.

I find it fascinating that you decry his lack of character, yet at the same time you decry his unwillingness to throw a long-time friend under the bus.

Why don't you ever start a thread about his health-care policy? Or his Iraq withdrawal policy? Or his attitude toward homosexuals? Why do you continue to dwell in gutter politics?

[QUOTE=spyderman]Well, according to Wright, "Obama hasn't disavowed him, nor has he distanced himself from Rev. Wright."

Do you know the correct use of quotes? Where did you get the opening quote you claimed was from Wright?

Wright plays both the race card, and the religion card at the same time......
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Wright Says Criticism Is Attack on Black Church
Attacks on him are really attacks on the black church, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. said in a speech to the National Press Club in Washington on Monday, in which he mounted a spirited defense of views and sermons that have become an issue in the presidential campaign because Senator Barack Obama attended his church for many years.

Speaking Monday, Mr. Wright said that political opponents of Senator Obama were exploiting the fact that the style of prayer and preaching in black churches was different from European church traditions — “Different, but not deficient,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/us/politics/28cnd-wright.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

Obama has gotten away from him. It's people like Spydie who keep dragging him back.

Perception is everything..Um, do you watch the same news everyone else watches? The problem is Wright going out on the talk show circuit trying to explain his comments, and further damaging Obama. The other part of the problem is Obama didn't throw Wright under the bus when this reared its ugly head. :out:

Wright plays both the race card, and the religion card at the same time......
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Wright Says Criticism Is Attack on Black Church
Attacks on him are really attacks on the black church, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. said in a speech to the National Press Club in Washington on Monday, in which he mounted a spirited defense of views and sermons that have become an issue in the presidential campaign because Senator Barack Obama attended his church for many years.

Speaking Monday, Mr. Wright said that political opponents of Senator Obama were exploiting the fact that the style of prayer and preaching in black churches was different from European church traditions — “Different, but not deficient,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/us/politics/28cnd-wright.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

He's, umm, not really wrong...

You caught that too... Now it's the whitey establishment that's attacking not just him, but they're attacking the black church... Not once does he even take responsibility for his comments...

Obama must be so proud. :nonod:

Wright plays both the race card, and the religion card at the same time......
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Wright Says Criticism Is Attack on Black Church
Attacks on him are really attacks on the black church, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. said in a speech to the National Press Club in Washington on Monday, in which he mounted a spirited defense of views and sermons that have become an issue in the presidential campaign because Senator Barack Obama attended his church for many years.

Speaking Monday, Mr. Wright said that political opponents of Senator Obama were exploiting the fact that the style of prayer and preaching in black churches was different from European church traditions — “Different, but not deficient,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/us/politics/28cnd-wright.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

How will this play in Peoria?

To middle America, "different" means "skeery".

How will this play in Peoria?

To middle America, "different" means "skeery".

I think that was the point he was trying to make, and the media (right wing conservative media) have been hyping it up. The scary black man saying GD America!!!

That's how they've been selling it. And trying to tie Obama to Wright, which, is just plain old wrong. Got a problem with what Wright is saying? Fine. Don't tie it to someone who didn't say the things that he said. That's just stupid, and it appears to be working on some people (Spydie).

LOL!

No, the issue is Obama is a novice who put the friendship with his racist pastor over the importance of a presidential election. I've said it before and I'll say it again... Had Obama thrown Wright under the bus when this broke we wouldn't be talking about it today. Wright wouldn't be the hot guest on the talk show circuit right now giving stupid speeches at the National Press Club...etc..

This is Obama's own doing, or should I say undoing...

Hey, didn't Bush put friendship before common sense too? I guess it's a common trait of novices...

Don't blame me cause Obama failed to handle the Wright issue correctly. Had he thrown him under the bus when I said he should have, I wouldn't have anything to say, neither would the media, and Obama wouldn't be in this mess. This is what makes him a weak candidate.

Those questions you're asking me here is the major problem that will plague the Democrats come November if Obama is the candidate. The media will still be asking the same questions about Wright instead of Obama's platform...

Put the blame where the blame rests, with your flawed candidate.

The bigger issue is if he can't handle this simple situation correctly, how will he handle the complexities of the White House? We've already suffered a novice for the last 8 years, America can't afford to suffer another novice...



No, it's the issue YOU apparently want to talk about forever and ever and ever. The only reason this thing has come back so strongly right now is because Wright gave an interview to Bill Moyers. But it will fade, just like it faded before.

I find it fascinating that you decry his lack of character, yet at the same time you decry his unwillingness to throw a long-time friend under the bus.

Why don't you ever start a thread about his health-care policy? Or his Iraq withdrawal policy? Or his attitude toward homosexuals? Why do you continue to dwell in gutter politics?

Obama is a Politician. He is trying to distance himself from Mr. GD.
Mr. GD won't shut up and let Obama walk away. This, combined with the Pubs focusing on this is going to hurt him badly in the eyes of middle America. It won't hurt him in the eyes of the "True Believers" (who there are more than a few here), but it will hurt him where it counts.
PS. I am not a "True Believer" in anyone or anything. The only thing that I believe, is that winning is everything, and that being right and losing is worse than death.

Hey, didn't Bush put friendship before common sense too? I guess it's a common trait of novices...
Ummmmmm, Obama's not appointing this guy to run some critically important agency within his administration. Sliiiiight difference.

Not once does he even take responsibility for his comments.

When has he denied his comments? From what I have seen, he has been saying they are true and justified. He is standing by his words.

Obama is a Politician. He is trying to distance himself from Mr. GD.
Mr. GD won't shut up and let Obama walk away. This, combined with the Pubs focusing on this is going to hurt him badly in the eyes of middle America. It won't hurt him in the eyes of the "True Believers" (who there are more than a few here), but it will hurt him where it counts.
PS. I am not a "True Believer" in anyone or anything. The only thing that I believe, is that winning is everything, and that being right and losing is worse than death.

Well then how about listening to what Obama has said, instead of, you know, someone who is NOT Obama?

There are plenty of true believers in middle America as well, since Obama seems to keep winning the smaller states, the middle America states and all. Isn't that one of Hillary's gripes? Being that she's winning the "big" states and Obama can only seem to win the small states? It appears that your argument about it hurting him in the middle states is specious at best. Why? He's already won many of the middle states. And hence, apparently, it's not a problem.

Perception is everything..Um, do you watch the same news everyone else watches? The problem is Wright going out on the talk show circuit trying to explain his comments, and further damaging Obama. The other part of the problem is Obama didn't throw Wright under the bus when this reared its ugly head. :out:

I'm not sure I would consider you an expert on perception and reality, based on your history of posts regarding Obama.

Actually, Obama distanced himself from Wright in that great "race" speech he made. He made it very clear that he doesn't agree with things Wright has said and believes, and that Wright is no longer his pastor. Just because Wright continues to shoot his mouth off doesn't require Obama to respond. What else is Obama going to say that he hasn't already said? Besides, what could he possibly say that would appease you? Obama is running a campaign, and has real issues to discuss.

I think it's pretty clear that Wright has seized his opportunity to become the next Al Sharpton. He's positioning himself to be national figure in the black community by throwing out some inflammatory comments every time his profile gets too low. This no longer has anything to do with Obama.

In November, it will be a big problem.

[QUOTE=spyderman]Well, according to Wright, "Obama hasn't disavowed him, nor has he distanced himself from Rev. Wright."

Do you know the correct use of quotes?

I'll take that as a "no".

The only thing that I believe, is that winning is everything, and that being right and losing is worse than death.


AH...so you are essentially stating that you have no scruples or morals.

Good to know.

The crazy Rev. supports a racist anti-semite, but he ain't a racist or a bigot. Hey, is that "an" bigot? I always get those mixed up. LOL!!!

"When LF speaks, black America listens," ..... "Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He didn't put me in chains, he did not put me in slavery, and he didn't make me this color." ( What was that about? He has a problem with his color?)

Hey you libs will love this. Wright claimed America is a terrorist nation.

"You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it to never come back to you,...."

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"When LF speaks, black America listens," ..... "Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He didn't put me in chains, he did not put me in slavery, and he didn't make me this color."[/I] ( What was that about? He has a problem with his color?)



He compares LF to EF Hutton, when he speaks black people listen. He also has said that black people might not AGREE with what LF says, but they listen.

As for the color thing, it was white folk who made being black a bad thing, a sign or being lesser. Or did you miss that 3/5th a person thing in the constitution, or segregation, or a host of other bits of history?

Oh, that's right, racism is over! Or it only affects poor folk, or something like that.

There is clearly enough to attack Wright on without distorting what he has said, but some people can't seem to resist the urge. Gotta wonder why, at times. And where they pick up their talking points. Gotta wonder about that, when someone quotes and does not provide the source.

The crazy Rev. supports a racist anti-semite, but he ain't a racist or a bigot. Hey, is that "an" bigot? I always get those mixed up. LOL!!!

"When LF speaks, black America listens," ..... "Louis Farrakhan is not my enemy. He didn't put me in chains, he did not put me in slavery, and he didn't make me this color." ( What was that about? He has a problem with his color?)

Hey you libs will love this. Wright claimed America is a terrorist nation.

"You cannot do terrorism on other people and expect it to never come back to you,...."

Trolling early this morning...must have had a good night's rest underneath the bridge.

Obama is a Politician. He is trying to distance himself from Mr. GD.
Mr. GD won't shut up and let Obama walk away. This, combined with the Pubs focusing on this is going to hurt him badly in the eyes of middle America. It won't hurt him in the eyes of the "True Believers" (who there are more than a few here), but it will hurt him where it counts.
PS. I am not a "True Believer" in anyone or anything. The only thing that I believe, is that winning is everything, and that being right and losing is worse than death.

Actually, this did hurt Obama in the eyes of this "true believer". Looking over all the evidence, I'm convinced that Obama probably does believe the substance of Wright's sermon, as I do. I think if Obama believes the words of the bible, he believes the "live by the sword, die by the sword" part. It may be uncomfortable, but you can't get around applying that to slavery and how we treated Native Americans.
But Obama played the Judas, denying his spiritual advisor and placing politics ahead of his spiritual beliefs. Even in just denouncing Wrights "words", I believe Obama publically denounced something he believes is true on a spiritual level.
Isn't this the opposite of what the Obama's campaign was supposed to be all about? Wasn't Obama supposed to be the leader in the battle against "politics as usual?" Wasn't Obama about telling America what it needs to hear?
Now I understand the realities of politics and what you must do to remain viable. He did what he had to do to remain politically viable, but there's no way around the fact he sacrificed something in his integrity on the deepest levels possible.
So the shine has dulled. But that just makes him the best candidate, instead of the perfect candidate.