Sorry, but that doesn't cut it... Stand up like a man and throw Wright under the bus...

Be a big boy and separate from the man. This is what you have got to do if you want the nomination.

You are making me want to stab my eyes out of my head so I don't have to keep reading this crap.






joe

HEATH LEDGER IS STILL DEAD!!!

Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow!

Yeah, cause I can't wait for Wright's rant at the NAACP today to be released...

we should waterboard Wright then make Blackwater haul his ass to Gitmo (or even better Abu Ghraib) until he gives up all of his secrets about Valerie Plame and everything he knows about that toe tappin' Larry Craig...

do you have anything original to post? this spewtum is really getting foul.

there are bigger issues at hand...you have fallen into the political trap they want you to..talk about the personality, not the issues facing the country. avoidance, avoidance, avoidance. lets talk about Dean wailing on stage and not what the man stood for. won the election with your guy, GWB....seems it working on you again..

sad you've fallen for it twice.

Yeah, cause I can't wait for Wright's rant at the NAACP today to be released...

Perhaps you should find a hobby in your down time?

Maybe get in contact with that scholar you studied lynching with...brush up on some of the new historiography on the topic.

Sorry, but that doesn't cut it... Stand up like a man and throw Wright under the bus...

Be a big boy and separate from the man. This is what you have got to do if you want the nomination.



Two threads on the same topic inside of 10 minutes? Seems trollish to me, even without the clear troll of throwing the term "boy" in like you did.

Two threads on the same topic inside of 10 minutes? Seems trollish to me, even without the clear troll of throwing the term "boy" in like you did.

Obama's being a child cause he won't grow up and separate from his minister. There's no other intent of that statement, except your own interpretation.

BTW, one thread dealt with throwing Wright under the bus, and the other dealt with Obama's not representing the truth. I find two separate issues there.

Two threads on the same topic inside of 10 minutes? Seems trollish to me, even without the clear troll of throwing the term "boy" in like you did.

Do you really think that Spydie was using a racist term? That's a pretty big reach. I don't agree with much of anything Spydie says, but it appears to me that there is a decided bias against him and anything he posts. You might want to step back and read some posts a second time.

Obama's being a child cause he won't grow up and separate from his minister. There's no other intent of that statement, except your own interpretation.

BTW, one thread dealt with throwing Wright under the bus, and the other dealt with Obama's not representing the truth. I find two separate issues there.


So, you want Obama to throw his minister under the bus for political gain?

I can see why you support Hillary.

Do you really think that Spydie was using a racist term? That's a pretty big reach.


I don't think he was being racist, but I am sure you can see how such language is inflammatory. After all, he did not say "grow up" or "stop being a child" right? No, he went with "boy". And that is SUCH a loaded term that I have to question someone that uses it in the context of referring to a black man in US society at this time. It leaps off the screen. Combine that with his volume of posts, and multiple posts in minutes, and that looks like classic troll behavior to me.

Trust me on this, if I did not think he was just trying to troll/provoke, I would have done more than point out his word choice.

Do you really think that Spydie was using a racist term? That's a pretty big reach. I don't agree with much of anything Spydie says, but it appears to me that there is a decided bias against him and anything he posts. You might want to step back and read some posts a second time.


Sometimes, to a flaw, I'm a little too passionate about some issues. I know we've disagreed, and locked horns once or twice, but thanks for your comments.

You're a bigger man than I...

I hope my pastor doesn't say anything stupid that I'm responsible for. :rolleyes:

Oh, wait. I don't go to church. Hazah! :D

It's amazing that after all the scrutiny and all the dirty politics by the clinton campaign that the best thing they can come up with is that someone who Obama knows said something nasty.

Wow.......Talk about beating a dead horse.

Desperation thy name is spydie.

Len

The Obama train has started to derail; soon voters and supers will start to distance themselves. Who would have ever thought that the derailment would come from his own pastor and not the Clinton camp. Hillary’s sitting back and just loving this.

The Obama train has started to derail; soon voters and supers will start to distance themselves. Who would have ever thought that the derailment would come from his own pastor and not the Clinton camp. Hillary’s sitting back and just loving this.


that's okay, in some ways it would make my life easier, if Hillary becomes the nominee, I will most assuredly NOT vote democrat. Might be McCain, might be an independent, but I would rather see McCain in the WH than Hillary.:thumbsup:

Sorry, but that doesn't cut it... Stand up like a man and throw Wright under the bus...

Be a big boy and separate from the man. This is what you have got to do if you want the nomination.

I agree Wright should be thrown under the bus, afterall he is little more than a promoter of hatred, bigotry and intolerance.

Lets throw him under the proverbial bus right after we throw Pat Robertson under it, a career GOP flunky and an intolerant hater extraordinaire himself. Afterall, he's the kinder, gentler minister who said a few years ago that it would be ok if all the citizens of both San Francisco and Philly died simply because they didn't fall in line with his creationist zealotry and other nonsense. If we throw Pat under the bus, I'll definitely help throw Wright under the bus. And how about we throw some of the other real haters of race under the bus - you know which ones I'm talking about - like the ones supposedly leading our federal gov who nearly 3 years after Katrina still have not rebuilt the vast majority of the black neighborhood homes down there, but are doing all they can to fill more no bid contracts to rebuild Baghdad. Hundreds of thousands still to this day living in trailer homes in NO under the Shrubs watch, and what significant thing has he done about it? . Lets throw Bush under the bus for what he has done to the good people of N.O and for also needlessly sending 4000+ US troops to their deaths based upon his, Cheney's, Rices, Powells, Rumsfelds and Wolfowitz's dozens of lies leading up to the Iraq fiasco invasion. Throw all these dirtbag pieces of human fecal material under the bus and I'll be happy to throw both Wright and others there too. A deal do we have?

Last time I checked wright didn't kill anyone but Bush's actions have killed many thousands, many thousands including over 4000 Us soldiers needlessly based upon outright lies. Who needs to meet the bottom of the bus wheel sooner.

It's amazing that after all the scrutiny and all the dirty politics by the clinton campaign that the best thing they can come up with is that someone who Obama knows said something nasty.

Wow.......Talk about beating a dead horse.

Desperation thy name is spydie.

Len


How true indeed, trying to pathetically rag on a guy because his minister says bad things. Truly pathetic how these sorry excuses for intelligence must reach for straws to try to take the focus off of the real issues. 4 years of John McCain = 4 more years of George Bush. No thanks, I'd rather have no president at all, as the country would actually run better. I'm not kidding either, you'd actually get even better performance than what we have had the past 7 years without any President, and what's disturbing is that that isn't really an exaggeration at all.

McCain = more tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, more government debt, more war for profits bogus iraq contracts, more Iraq deaths, more US soldiers deaths, and more rising commodities prices with his silly supplyside economic propositions. We have seen the sorry results of that crap for 7 long years. And where are the major stock market indexes today compared to where they were when the Shrub took office 7 years ago? Guess his nonsense supplyside crap policies didn't work out too well did they. I recall in the 80's another GOP buffoon tried the same nutjob supplyside economic policies for 6 years straight and by 1987 he also had us headed into a deep recession thanks to his wild spending, tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and huge gov debt creation, his name was Ronny Boy Reagan. Another GOP supplyside economic snakeoil salesman.

How many net non government jobs has George Bush created in 7 plus years with his brilliant economic policies???? Anyone want to discuss his net job creation figs if you eliminate al the gov jobs he created by expanding the size of US Gov to record levels at record rates?

I love it when these GOP toddlers try to claim they are the ones who are fiscally responsible. All they do is spend more, expand the size of the government more, run up more debts and create more recessions than anyone else, but their policies are the shitz, aren't they. Can anyone name the last time a GOP Pres actually balanced a single years fiscal budget? Quiztime

Sorry, but that doesn't cut it... Stand up like a man and throw Wright under the bus...

Be a big boy and separate from the man. This is what you have got to do if you want the nomination.

Wright isn't running for president. Who gives a shiat, other than you?

Oh and something else, it doesn't matter to anyone on this forum unless they haven't voted in a primary yet, and even then...... I live in Michigan and COULDN'T vote for Obama even if I wanted to. Yet HIllary (Republican-lite) thinks her "victory" and delegates should be counted. Justify that.

By your reasoning, a Catholic candidate should renounce their religion because the current Pope was the enforcer of the hide-the-pedophile tactic.

even without the clear troll of throwing the term "boy"

You must be kidding, right? I mean there is a point where this gets ridiculous.

I think Obama's persona, like that of other politicians, has been very carefully crafted by his handlers. What Reverend Wright has done is cause turbulence in that persona, his public face and has put Obama in an untenable position. The time for vehement denial to be effective is long past. The Reverend is the same man he has been for 20 years but now the stage is highly public. I would have had more respect for Obama to stand fast on his relationship with the man and let the voters decide. This latest speech is highly political as are his motives for making it. His claim that his change of heart is because the Reverend has changed is just political cover. Nope, too late. Better to have stood fast in his original stance.

His claim that his change of heart is because the Reverend has changed is just political cover. Nope, too late. Better to have stood fast in his original stance.


All those extra words.... Why don't you just say that he's acting like a typical Dem? :D

Why don't you just say that he's acting like a typical Dem?

I did in the other thread. :D

Link (http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?p=1528959#poststop)

All those extra words.... Why don't you just say that he's acting like a typical Dem? :D

They don't like to be reminded they're the party of, "change." :)

First, seating the MI delegates will be next to impossible, unless they give Obama the 'someone else' category. Certainly the supers from MI should still be allowed to vote.

Second, no, I'm not asking Obama to renounce his religion, he should disavow his relationship with Wright because it has exposed a bigger problem for Obama and the party. Just tonight, Dr. Phil weighed in on Leno...and "questioned how Obama could not have known Wright's opinions after 20 years." If Dr. Phil questions your credibility on Leno, that's a major problem! Oprah is gonna be pissed...



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Oh and something else, it doesn't matter to anyone on this forum unless they haven't voted in a primary yet, and even then...... I live in Michigan and COULDN'T vote for Obama even if I wanted to. Yet HIllary (Republican-lite) thinks her "victory" and delegates should be counted. Justify that.

By your reasoning, a Catholic candidate should renounce their religion because the current Pope was the enforcer of the hide-the-pedophile tactic.

The Obama train has started to derail; soon voters and supers will start to distance themselves. Who would have ever thought that the derailment would come from his own pastor and not the Clinton camp. Hillary’s sitting back and just loving this.


From yesterday:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/a-pair-of-superdelegates-for-obama/

Since Mrs. Clinton’s win in the Pennsylvania primary, Mr. Obama has landed more superdelegates, 7 to 3.

And from today:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/obama-picks-up-another-superdelegate/

Mr. Braley intends to announce his support this afternoon for Mr. Obama, according to his spokesman Jeff Giertz.

The eastern Iowa congressman endorsed John Edwards late last year before the Iowa caucuses. Only weeks ago, he indicated he might wait until the Democratic convention to make his decision, but aides said after he saw the support for Mr. Obama last weekend at district conventions in Iowa, he changed his mind.


Sure looks like they're all running to Clinton. Even after his loss in PA.







joe

Sure looks like they're all running to Clinton. Even after his loss in PA.
Don't get all mathematical on us, Joe.

Sorry, but that doesn't cut it... Stand up like a man and throw Wright under the bus...

Be a big boy and separate from the man. This is what you have got to do if you want the nomination.
Obama clearly denounced Wright yesterday. He has separated from him, cut the cord.

Obama is taking the nomination.

I disagree. It's what everyone wants to believe, but it's not true. That's how the media are interpreting, and presenting Obama's speech. Obama merely "denounced Wright's comments," for a second time.

Go back and reread the text of that speech and you will understand. Obama expressed outrage about the comments, but no where did he ever disavow himself of Wright. There is a difference.

I can denounce your comments all day long, it doesn't mean I still don't have a relationship with you.

Obama did not disavow himself of the man.

Splitting hares is what politicians are good at. It leaves an opening for Obama to go back to Wright and say "I didn't say that, the media did." It leaves an opening for Obama to use the Rev in some capacity in the future.

"I can no sooner disown him [Wright] than I can disown the black community." Obama

Obama clearly denounced Wright yesterday. He has separated from him, cut the cord.

Obama is taking the nomination.

I agree Wright should be thrown under the bus, afterall he is little more than a promoter of hatred, bigotry and intolerance..

I think in his NAACP speech he emphasized that "different doesn't mean deficient.

He must have said that 5 times at least.

This post clearly articulates Obama's problem..

Obama needs to come to grips with THE single most important decision of his life. Does he want to be a politician, or follow the spiritual path he claims he's on. You can easily be a Scientologist and a politician. From what I understand, that belief encourages upward worldly material success. But the Bible clearly preaches humility, separation from the secular world, complete honest, and a willingness to be oppressed and rejected by the world. Jesus experienced what happens when you refuse to say what people want to hear. Jesus experienced what happens when you truly place God above worldly concerns.

I don't know whether Obama was a member of the church for his own spiritual sake, or to fill a void in his political resume. Only Obama can answer that. Maybe he jumped in without knowing what would be required of him. Maybe he entered as a potential believer, the "spirit" didn't touch him, but he remained for the feel-good community. Either way, this example is the single biggest example of why politics and religion don't mix. This wasn't some "faith-based program" issue, this is a personal issue with a person's spiritual integrity at risk.

Wright, on the other hand, has been honest and consistent in his words. What he said on the pulpit agrees with what he says off the pulpit because he's grounded on spiritual faith, which for better or worse doesn't waver with the political tide. I don't think Wright is out to knock Obama down. But he is willing to defend his own church which has been bashed by the media. He refuses to make a defense of his church take a back seat to a politician's aspirations.

Spyderman keep demanding Obama say what Spyderman wants to hear. I can't understand the mindset that thinks good think come from being fooled by words you want to hear rather than risk being disappointed in the truth. That's the very definition of willful delusion, a very destructive condition much like alcoholism, where the sufferer denies he's sick.

Obama's being dishonest if he has suddenly come to the conclusion that he didn't know what Wright was about. All Wright spoke of was the truth, for the most part, and his only questionable statements were regarding Farrakhan.

The truest statement Wright made was that the candidates (Obama objected to this strenuously:smilewinkgrin: :sad: :lol: :lol: ) are saying what they think they have to say in order to get elected.

The whole contest seems to be about who can look the most comfortable hanging out with average people they would otherwise never hang out with unless they were running for something.

That's why Bill Clinton is such a great politician. He loves eating junk food, drinking, bull$hitting with moreons, generally being the center of attention, and trying to pick up very avg(at best) looking chicks.

Oh btw, how uncomfortable is Cindy McCain on the campaign trail. This is very painful for her.

Adlai Stevenson supporter: all thinking people are with you.

Stevenson's response: Yes, but I need a majority.

Damn, I gotta get out on the bike today, hopefully I won't get killed in Ft. Lauderdale rush hour traffic by one of the non thinkers.:eek:

I think Obama's persona, like that of other politicians, has been very carefully crafted by his handlers. What Reverend Wright has done is cause turbulence in that persona, his public face and has put Obama in an untenable position. The time for vehement denial to be effective is long past. The Reverend is the same man he has been for 20 years but now the stage is highly public. I would have had more respect for Obama to stand fast on his relationship with the man and let the voters decide. This latest speech is highly political as are his motives for making it. His claim that his change of heart is because the Reverend has changed is just political cover. Nope, too late. Better to have stood fast in his original stance.

I agree with you.

you weren't going to vote for Obama before and you're still not

I was and I still am going to vote for him...

Politically though, Obama's decision was probably best, most media has the attention span of a gnat and most Americans are thinking Wright bad, get rid of him good.

that's okay, in some ways it would make my life easier, if Hillary becomes the nominee, I will most assuredly NOT vote democrat. Might be McCain, might be an independent, but I would rather see McCain in the WH than Hillary.:thumbsup:





I personally prefer Hillary to Obama but I will vote for whoever wins the democratic nomination. What I don’t understand though is the fact some voters will switch to McBush rather than vote for the democratic ticket if Obama does not win the delegates. (yes I know you have the right)

Wouldn’t Hillary be far better than 4 more years of McBush doctrine?

Spyderman,

You took out that loony line about Obama utilizing Wright in his administration. There's some hope for you.....

Just tonight, Dr. Phil weighed in on Leno...and "questioned how Obama could not have known Wright's opinions after 20 years." If Dr. Phil questions your credibility on Leno, that's a major problem! Oprah is gonna be pissed...


you didn't just go there...

you just...lost....all.....credibility. you even lost some empathy. Good luck with Entertainment Tonight..
didn't Dr. Phil lose his license to practice a few years back...that makes him a medical "quack" you know that, right?

if this was your attempt at levity...it wasn't funny. sad. sad. sad.

you didn't just go there...

you just...lost....all.....credibility. you even lost some empathy. Good luck with Entertainment Tonight..
didn't Dr. Phil lose his license to practice a few years back...that makes him a medical "quack" you know that, right?

if this was your attempt at levity...it wasn't funny. sad. sad. sad.


I don't think it's fair to claim that he's using him as any kind of authority.It seemed clear to me that he was using it as example that "mainstream America," where one might place Dr. Phil, is talking about it, along with Leno, another mainstream figure.




joe

Spyderman,

You took out that loony line about Obama utilizing Wright in his administration. There's some hope for you.....

Not that I believe it will ever happen...

I personally prefer Hillary to Obama but I will vote for whoever wins the democratic nomination. What I don’t understand though is the fact some voters will switch to McBush rather than vote for the democratic ticket if Obama does not win the delegates. (yes I know you have the right)

Wouldn’t Hillary be far better than 4 more years of McBush doctrine?


Nope I hate her with a passion that I can barely even describe.:thumbsup:

I personally prefer Hillary to Obama but I will vote for whoever wins the democratic nomination. What I don’t understand though is the fact some voters will switch to McBush rather than vote for the democratic ticket if Obama does not win the delegates. (yes I know you have the right)

Wouldn’t Hillary be far better than 4 more years of McBush doctrine?


Logic, are really trying to use logic here?

Nope I hate her with a passion that I can barely even describe.:thumbsup:

Yeah, and hate is clouding your thought processes.....Nice..