Just testing things out. I have to say RBR has been quite strange lately. This is going to take some time getting used to.

Clark is horrible at campaigning. Kerry isn't much better. They both make GWB look and sound great. :) I like the emodicons :D

i'm not saying clark's a puppet, but if you look real close you can see hitlerys hand up the back of his shirt.

is set up a little automated program that slaps an 'ignore' tag on any poster who mentions the Clintons. That way, I can weed out the clutter and better enjoy the ambience of this lovely new forum.

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is set up a little automated program that slaps an 'ignore' tag on any poster who mentions the Clintons. That way, I can weed out the clutter and better enjoy the ambience of this lovely new forum.
The "Hitlery" thing is getting a bit stale too...you need some new material.

The "Hitlery" thing is getting a bit stale too...you need some new material.

It'll never happen. These guys will be doing the same schtick in Branson Missouri 20 years from now.

i cant afford new material. howard dean was supposed to manage all my money and i only have 5% of it left.

If you had given it to Bush you'd be in the hole. Wait, the country did that already.

If you had given it to Bush you'd be in the hole. Wait, the country did that already.
But dammit I got a $600 REEFUND last year!!!!!!!

But dammit I got a $600 REEFUND last year!!!!!!!

Indeed. We should all remeber to thank our kids for the loan.

would you kindly erase the restatement of his post that appears at the top of yours? I've put the block on him, owing to general idiocy and his inability to not reference the Clintons 97 times a day, but when you leave his original quote in your post, I'm subjected to it.

Thanks so much for your consideration. Consensus builder!

would you kindly erase the restatement of his post that appears at the top of yours? I've put the block on him, owing to general idiocy and his inability to not reference the Clintons 97 times a day, but when you leave his original quote in your post, I'm subjected to it.

Thanks so much for your consideration. Consensus builder!
I'll try to do that as well unless it is needed for context. So many new things to learn and remember about this new forum. :eek:

Duly noted.

but wheres your inclusive liberal compassion?

I haven't payed much attention to Clark, but I wouldn't be surprised if he were a worse campaigner than Bush.

Clark has spent his career serving this country in the military, while Bush has spent his career serving refreshments to his daddy's friends. The closest Bush ever got to serving this country was defending the skies over Houston from the VC, and he couldn't even fulfill that commitment, having dissappeard for a year which has yet to be explained, and scoring an 8 month early release.

Its easy to campaign when your constituancy holds you to no standard of honesty and integrity, so Bush is a natural GOP campaigner. He has spent his life developing the social skill of pandering to money.

What ever. You and others have at times, derided Bush on his speaking prowess or lack thereof. I was just commenting on Clark's style. He is tough to listen to. His victory speech was horrific at best. He sounded like he won $2 in the lottery. By the way, I am sure in his rise through the ranks to general, he had to play politician many times. I am also sure he had to do quite a bit of public orating. I can't see how he was able to motivate men into battle with his style. He sounds like a wimp.

I know you look forward to bashing Bush at each and every opportunity. I notice that you have no problem spreading unfounded information and lies about Bush. He did receive an honorable discharge from the NG. The rules for NG service are very different from military service. Evidently he fulfilled what ever was required of him. Your double standard leaves you suspect in your assessments. :rolleyes:


I haven't payed much attention to Clark, but I wouldn't be surprised if he were a worse campaigner than Bush.

Clark has spent his career serving this country in the military, while Bush has spent his career serving refreshments to his daddy's friends. The closest Bush ever got to serving this country was defending the skies over Houston from the VC, and he couldn't even fulfill that commitment, having dissappeard for a year which has yet to be explained, and scoring an 8 month early release.

Its easy to campaign when your constituancy holds you to no standard of honesty and integrity, so Bush is a natural GOP campaigner. He has spent his life developing the social skill of pandering to money.

I actually tend to agree with the pinko commie bastids on this one! ;)

The use of infantile nicknames just reduces the level of discourse. Same goes for: shrub, bush/nazi, donnie rams-butt, etc., and any number of insults I see here or elsewhere. I usually tune out any "discussion" once it stoops to that level. (Of course, I do think that "Bubba" is more of an endearing nickname than an insult!) As much as I loathe the woman, and most, if not all, of the positions she takes, comparing her to Adolf is a bit much.

Play nice, boys. :rolleyes:

I notice that you have no problem spreading unfounded information and lies about Bush. He did receive an honorable discharge from the NG. The rules for NG service are very different from military service. Evidently he fulfilled what ever was required of him.

The only thing unfounded is President AWOL's explanation for his whereabouts between mid-1972 and mid-1973.

You're right about the "Champagne Brigade" playing by different rules. That was the whole point of the unit, a way to get the sons of the politically connected through the war by different rules.

Of course, many politicians made "other arragements" during Vietnam. But Bush shirked his alternative and then lied about it to the American people.

When he wasn't coked out of his gourd, or drunk.

So what do/did you have to say about CLINTON's service or should I say lack of, to this country during a time of war? Oh I forgot, he was in the Soviet Union getting indoctrinated, at the time :D Any comment?

now youve done it. dont you know red menace and old ed are the same? now youre going to get ignored my friend. you'll pay a dear price now buddy, just wait and see.

Clinton? Like I said, many politicians made other arrangements during Vietnam. Dick Cheney, for example.

If somebody isn't going to serve, better they simply not do so than make a commitment and skip out on it like Bush.

Moreover, Vietnam is water under the bridge. Bush's lies up to this day about his behavior are not.

and advocacy for the devil, can we fault a person for avoiding that madman's war?

Alex

can we fault a person for avoiding

Of course not. But Bush will tell you a) he wasn't avoiding it (questionable) and b) he fulfilled his commitment (also questionable).

The issue isn't Vietnam, the issue is honesty.

or intellectual dishonesty of the subject which you seem to have a problem with

Its probably over your head. I wouldn't worry yourself over it.

that method of talking down to others wasnt too successful in the last election

True. Many would rather elect a moron than come to terms with their own frailties.

good thing he didnt win. and his endorsement of dean was a big help.

That is the ultimate stupidity of your little line of "reasoning" here. Gore did just fine, or at least better than Bush, as far as the people were concerend.

oh i'm sorry. i thought we were talking about the last election and you mentioned moron so i naturally thought of albore.

Like I said, you shouldn't be worrying yourself about these issues.

even with the 'ignore' feature on, I can tell just from reading your all-too-patient posts what's being said on the other end and who's saying it. LMAO! This is like freakin' Groundhog's Day, the movie, with half the stereo soundtrack unplugged!

I'm glad you have the patience to educate these yipping puppies.

from a man with a hammer and sickle as his moniker. educate indeed.

Somebody has to try and build consensus around here.

Are you implying that someone around here is a <font color="red"><b>Communist</b></font>?

That is a pretty serious allegation!

ARNG requirements don't let you out of an enlistment until you've fulfilled your required time (points), then or now. What he got was a release from his commitment despite the fact that he didn't fulfill it.

BTW, it's not AWOL technically. In the Guard and Reserves you can choose not to "drill" for a period of time but it is heavily frowned upon.

Bottom line, he's a "Fortunate Son."

BT

Yeah? So it is OK to make fun of the way GW speaks, now? Actually, I think Steam is just a repressed liberal ;)

The closest Bush ever got to serving this country was defending the skies over Houston from the VC, and he couldn't even fulfill that commitment, having dissappeard for a year which has yet to be explained, and scoring an 8 month early release.

Folks who use this fact against Bush really do not understand the system in the National Guard or Reserves, and I suspect they've never served in the military themselves. Rescheduled training, absences, and early releases are far too common to make this an issue.

Bush's military record is simply not worth debating. Recommend focusing on bigger issues, such as jobs, jobs, jobs.

Folks who use this fact against Bush really do not understand the system in the National Guard or Reserves, and I suspect they've never served in the military themselves. Rescheduled training, absences, and early releases are far too common to make this an issue.

Bush's military record is simply not worth debating. Recommend focusing on bigger issues, such as jobs, jobs, jobs.
Not worth debating? Hardly. It shows how GWB was sheltered in Vietnam because of his family's influence and took full advantage of that fact. He's been supported by the ruling class of this country his entire life. Who do you think he's working for? Maybe if he had just fulfilled his basic cushy stateside assignment it might have been a moot point. And maybe if he had been on the front lines in Vietnam he might have a different attitude towards going to war so quickly based on questionable intelligence. Focus on jobs and the economy? Bush loses there too.

he loses on jobs and economy? what un-biased source are you reading?

Bush's honesty about that record is the issue.

As I have said several times now, I don't care if Bush went to Vietnam. I do find it interesting that despite all the plausible defenses of Bush's alternate arrangement, none explain where he was between mid-'72 and mid-'73, and why no-one can corroborate Bush's version of events.

I didnt make a statement about Bush on jobs or the economy.

I just think you're all making something out of nothing. There's so much more to look at when you're considering who to support. And Bush's military record is non news. If you want to talk about his integrity, why do you discuss his pre-war SOTU address or something.

Whatever. Everybody sucks, right? Im going out to ride.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: and advocacy for the devil, can we fault a person for avoiding that madman's war?

Alex

meetings he missed in that year, and if he attended his summer "service"? I'm sure that he was discharged without any black marks. After all, who was his father? I'm sure that there were lots of people who were ready to end their careers. It would be helpful if somebody with National Guard experience, would explain what is required of members and what can happen if you "blow off" a series of meetings.