dr hoo
09-04-2004, 11:22 AM
Here is a bit of a lesson on why you REALLY have to be careful with poll numbers. To understand what a poll is doing, and how well it is done, you have to look at the "internals". The details of the sample, and whether there might be a bias in that sample. Let's take a recent poll:
Newsweek Poll: Republican Convention 2004
Saturday September 4, 11:46 am ET
Bush/Cheney Lead Kerry/Edwards 54 to 43 Percent
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040904/nysa058_1.html
It is of REGISTERED voters, so we don't have to worry about the issues of likely voter models.
Seems to match the TIME numbers, with an 11 point lead. But is that an ACCURATE measure?
If you scroll WAY down you get to the internals:
374 Republicans (plus or minus 6)
303 Democrats (plus or minus 6)
300 Independents (plus or minus 6)
Anyone see a reason why this poll might give a republican ticket an edge? Does this match the reality of political party affiliation?
From http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/neuharth/2004-01-22-neuharth_x.htm
An estimated 201.5 million U.S. citizens age 18 or over will be eligible to vote Nov. 2, although many are not now registered.
Of these, about 55 million are registered Republicans. About 72 million registered Democrats.
About 42 million are registered as independents, under some other minor party or with a "No Party" designation
So, the breakdown of party is 33% rep, 43% dem, 25% ind. (rounded)
The poll has 38% rep, 31% dem, 31% ind. It way undersamples dems, and oversamples reps and inds.
It also has a sample with around 40% military households. Does that sound right to you? Do 40% of households in the USA have someone in the military? I doubt it.
Sooooooooooo, crappy sampling that does not match the population. The sample is biased towards republican respondents. Unreliable numbers.
I am not saying the poll is wrong, but I am saying there is good reason to doubt that it is right.
Newsweek Poll: Republican Convention 2004
Saturday September 4, 11:46 am ET
Bush/Cheney Lead Kerry/Edwards 54 to 43 Percent
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040904/nysa058_1.html
It is of REGISTERED voters, so we don't have to worry about the issues of likely voter models.
Seems to match the TIME numbers, with an 11 point lead. But is that an ACCURATE measure?
If you scroll WAY down you get to the internals:
374 Republicans (plus or minus 6)
303 Democrats (plus or minus 6)
300 Independents (plus or minus 6)
Anyone see a reason why this poll might give a republican ticket an edge? Does this match the reality of political party affiliation?
From http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/neuharth/2004-01-22-neuharth_x.htm
An estimated 201.5 million U.S. citizens age 18 or over will be eligible to vote Nov. 2, although many are not now registered.
Of these, about 55 million are registered Republicans. About 72 million registered Democrats.
About 42 million are registered as independents, under some other minor party or with a "No Party" designation
So, the breakdown of party is 33% rep, 43% dem, 25% ind. (rounded)
The poll has 38% rep, 31% dem, 31% ind. It way undersamples dems, and oversamples reps and inds.
It also has a sample with around 40% military households. Does that sound right to you? Do 40% of households in the USA have someone in the military? I doubt it.
Sooooooooooo, crappy sampling that does not match the population. The sample is biased towards republican respondents. Unreliable numbers.
I am not saying the poll is wrong, but I am saying there is good reason to doubt that it is right.