Hello. I'll be moving road groups, from Shimano to Campy, but want to keep my Shimano wheels for now. I've seen some cassettes on the market that work with the campy 10 sp group and fit on the shimano hubs. My question is the cassettes I've seen, by American Classic, say not to use with a perma-link chain. Now the chains I've checked have no mention of a perma link, just the HD or UD compatibility. My question is: how do I know ther perma-link chains from the "regular" chains?

Hello. I'll be moving road groups, from Shimano to Campy, but want to keep my Shimano wheels for now. I've seen some cassettes on the market that work with the campy 10 sp group and fit on the shimano hubs. My question is the cassettes I've seen, by American Classic, say not to use with a perma-link chain. Now the chains I've checked have no mention of a perma link, just the HD or UD compatibility. My question is: how do I know ther perma-link chains from the "regular" chains?

The Permalink chains join with a clunky link sideplate system that requires some expensive Campy pliers. The HD-L link joins very much like a Shimano chain - a special pin is used at the join. The chain itself is not the problem with the conversion cassettes, rather the method of joining. But you should be fine....I doubt you could buy a new Campy 10spd chain with a Permalink these days.

FWIW, I use Wipperman 10spd chains with Campy 10spd and on my winter bike I am using an American Classic conversion cassette. It seems to work fine.

Thanks for the input. I've also been reading on google about IRD or KMC chains. Another question on your chain. Does it attach like a SRAM chain? Or will it need a chain tool to pin it.

have one on my Campy 10sp equipped bike and it works fine, does need a chain tool to install, but comes w/ two pins so it can be removed once....and extra pins are available at the LBS

I use the Campag chain on my 10spd but with a Wipperman connector. Works fine and makes clean chaining a breeze.

Hello. I'll be moving road groups, from Shimano to Campy, but want to keep my Shimano wheels for now. I've seen some cassettes on the market that work with the campy 10 sp group and fit on the shimano hubs. My question is the cassettes I've seen, by American Classic, say not to use with a perma-link chain. Now the chains I've checked have no mention of a perma link, just the HD or UD compatibility. My question is: how do I know ther perma-link chains from the "regular" chains?

I'm a die-hard Campagnolo fan, but I have found that the C-10 chain is a bit noisy. A Shimano 9-sp chain will work, and seems to be quieter. The SRAM PC-89R hollow pin is also quiet, not to mention pretty light (if that matters). The SRAM chain is a better match in terms of width than the Shimano. Both are cheaper than the Campagnolo chain, and easier to install.

I've never used a Wipperman but I've heard mixed reviews. Some say it's great and others say it's even noisier than a C10.

Thanks for the info guys. It's really appreciated. I probably shouldn't be wallet shy when I see the campy chain's price tag. After all, I didn't spend pennies on my group for nothing. Chains though, are another story. I'm not a weight weenie when it comes to those because I want something that is going to be strong and reliable. I also figure it's probably the most used part of the bike and is bound to wear out. With that, I want something reliable, durable, and economical (Don't we all though?).

I've read and have heard that the Wippermans AND Campagnolo are great chains. I've heard both sides of the argument; that one is more superior than the other and vice versa. I've yet to use either myself. I run SRAM 8's and 9's on the bikes in my stable. What I might do after I get the bike finished off is start with the Campy chain and work my way around as it wears down now that I know others are riding different ones and have overall good things to say about them. Again, thanks for the insight and opinions.