View Full Version : If you need any more proof of corporate media bias...


AJS
11-30-2004, 03:15 PM
...look no further than to ask why the Ohio voting scams have not as yet been widely covered by the "mainstream" media outlets, as well as several voting scams & irregularities in other states such as FL, NC, NM, NH, etc.

Seems to me that if ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox, NBC, and the rest were truly independent, investigative news organizations, this stuff would be splashed all over your screens every night & day instead of diverting attention to, for example, the Ukraine voter uprisings:



Something's Fishy in Ohio
by Jesse Jackson


In the Ukraine, citizens are in the streets protesting what they charge is a fixed election. U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell expresses this nation's concern about apparent voting irregularities. The media give the dispute around-the-clock coverage. But in the United States, massive and systemic voter irregularities go unreported and unnoticed.

Ohio is this election year's Florida. The vote in Ohio decided the presidential race, but it was marred by intolerable, and often partisan, irregularities and discrepancies. U.S. citizens have as much reason as those in Kiev to be concerned that the fix was in. Consider:

In Ohio, a court just ruled there can't be a recount yet, because the vote is not yet counted. It's three weeks after the election, and Ohio still hasn't counted the votes and certified the election. Some 93,000 overvotes and undervotes are not counted; 155,000 provisional ballots are only now being counted. Absentee ballots cast in the two days prior to the election haven't been counted.

Ohio determines the election, but the state has not yet counted the vote. That outrage is made intolerable by the fact that the secretary of state in charge of this operation, Ken Blackwell, holds -- like Katherine Harris of Florida's fiasco in 2000 -- a dual role: secretary of state with control over voting procedures and co-chair of George Bush's Ohio campaign. Blackwell should recuse himself so that a thorough investigation, count and recount of Ohio's vote can be made.

Blackwell reversed rules on provisional ballots in place in the spring primaries. These allowed voters to cast provisional ballots anywhere in their county, even if they were in the wrong precinct, reflecting the chief rationale for provisional ballots: to ensure that those who went to the wrong place by mistake could have their votes counted. The result of this decision -- why does this not surprise? -- was to disqualify disproportionately ballots cast in heavily Democratic Cuyahoga County.

Blackwell also permitted the use of electronic machines that provided no paper record. The maker of many of these machines, the head of Diebold Co., promised to deliver Ohio for Bush. In one precinct in Franklin County, an electric voting system gave Bush 3,893 extra votes out of a total of 638 votes cast.

Blackwell also presided over a voting system that resulted in quick, short lines in the dominantly Republican suburbs, and four-hour and longer waiting lines in the inner cities. Wealthy precincts received ample numbers of voting machines and numerous voting places. Democratic precincts received inadequate numbers of machines in too few polling places that were often hard to locate; this caused daylong waits for the very working people who could least afford the time.

In Ohio, as in Florida and Pennsylvania, there was a stark disconnect between the exit polls and the tabulated results, with the former favoring John Kerry and the latter George Bush. The chance of this occurring in these three states, according to Professor Steven Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania, is about 250 million to 1.

In one of dozens of examples, Ellen Connally, an African-American Supreme Court candidate running an underfunded race at the bottom of the ticket, received over 257,000 more votes than Kerry in 37 counties. She ran better than Kerry in the areas of the state where she wasn't known and didn't campaign than she did where she was known and did campaign.

There should be a federal investigation of the vote count in Ohio, with the partisan secretary of state removing himself from the scene.

In Cleveland, as in Kiev, Ukraine, citizens have the right to know that the election is run fairly and every vote counted honestly. Citizens have the right to nonpartisan election officials. Citizens have the right to voting machines that keep a paper record and allow for an independent audit and recount.

This country needs no more Floridas and Ohios. This shouldn't be a partisan issue. We call for a constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to vote for all U.S. citizens and to empower Congress to establish federal standards and nonpartisan administration of elections. Harris and Blackwell are insults to the people they represent, and stains upon the president whose election they sought to ensure. Democracy should not be for export only.


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Ohio Tally Fit for Ukraine
by Juan Gonzalez


It has been a month now and we still don't have a clear count of the votes for our own presidential race from the state of Ohio.

For those who may have forgotten, Ohio supposedly assured George W. Bush a second term in the White House - only the most important job on the planet.

The morning after the election, we were told Bush was ahead of John Kerry in that state's unofficial count by 139,000 votes, or 2.5%.

At the time there were 155,000 uncounted provisional ballots and an unknown number of overseas ballots, but Kerry concluded they would not produce enough of a margin to erase his deficit, so he promptly conceded.

At the same time, given the bitter Democratic memories of the 2000 Florida fiasco, he assured his supporters he would fight to have every vote properly counted this time.

Within a few days, other problems began to show up in Ohio's preliminary tally.

We learned, for example, that an additional 93,000 voters had gone to the polls yet machines had registered no preference of theirs for President. Only a manual recount can tell us for sure what happened to those 93,000 ballots.

Then, red-faced election officials in Franklin County admitted a computer error on Election Night had tallied 4,258 votes for Bush in a precinct where only 638 people voted. That correction alone will drop Bush's margin by 3,620.

And now Daily News reporter Larry Cohler-Esses and I have uncovered some more unusual vote totals, this time in black neighborhoods of Cleveland. Those results are from the precinct-by-precinct tallies released by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, where Cleveland is located.

In the 4th Ward on Cleveland's East Side, for example, two fringe presidential candidates did surprisingly well.

In precinct 4F, located at Benedictine High School on Martin Luther King Jr. Drive, Kerry received 290 votes, Bush 21 and Michael Peroutka, candidate of the ultra-conservative anti-immigrant Constitutional Party, an amazing 215 votes!

That many black votes for Peroutka is about as likely as all those Jewish votes for Buchanan in Florida's Palm Beach County in 2000.

In precinct 4N, also at Benedictine High School, the tally was Kerry 318, Bush 21, and Libertarian Party candidate Michael Badnarik 163.

Back in 2000, the combined third-party votes in those two precincts - including the Nader vote - was 8. Cuyahoga, like most of Ohio's 88 counties, uses punch-card balloting.

"That's terrible, I can't believe it," said City Councilman Kenneth Johnson, who has represented the 4th Ward since 1980. "It's obviously a malfunction with the machines."

But Peroutka and Badnarik polled unusually well in a few other black precincts. In the 8th Ward's G precinct at Cory United Methodist Church, for instance, Badnarik tallied 51 votes - nearly three times better than Bush's 19. And in I precinct at the same church, Peroutka was the choice on 27 ballots, three times more than Bush's 8. In 2000, independent candidates received 9 votes from both precincts.

The same pattern showed up in 10 Cleveland precincts in which Badnarik and Peroutka received nearly 700 votes between them.

In virtually all those precincts, Kerry's vote was lower than Al Gore's in 2000, even though there was a record turnout in the black community this time, and even though blacks voted overwhelmingly for Kerry.

If this same pattern held true in other cities around Ohio, then quite possibly thousands of votes meant for Kerry somehow ended up in the tallies of the two independent candidates. So far, however, precinct-by-precinct results have not been posted by boards of elections in other counties, but by Thursday all official results are due.

On Monday, Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell will certify Ohio's results and then a manual recount will be requested by the Green and Libertarian parties.

The Badnarik and Peroutka surge was not the only unusual occurrence in Cleveland.

Also unusual was the drop in the Democratic vote in scores of precincts compared to 2000. But more on that next time.

(Juan Gonzalez is a reporter for the New York Daily News and co-host of Democracy Now!.)


In light of these events, I'll ask all of the Republican/Neo-Con supporters on RBR: Would you support Rev. Jackson's call for a "constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to vote for all U.S. citizens and to empower Congress to establish federal standards and nonpartisan administration of elections."?

If not, WHY NOT??


- Art

Duane Gran
11-30-2004, 05:23 PM
My modest proposal: ballots should be done with a pen and paper, and they should be counted by people, even if it means we don't know the answer for several days. I work in the software development industry, but I don't think we should replace a workable system until the replacement is better. In short, slow and accurate beats fast and inaccurate in my book.

purplepaul
11-30-2004, 05:54 PM
I can't tell you how upset this makes me. Yet all the outrage in the world doesn't lead to any improvements.

Voting irregularities, such as those described in the articles, should be impossible. Or, failing that, they should trigger an automatic recount. Whose lame brain idea was it to allow partisan control over the election mechanism?

I would much, much rather live with our current twirp in the White House if it was the demonstrable will of the voters. Now, it seems plausible that for the second straight presidential election, a democrat may have won but didn't make it to power.

Rather than resort to the filthy, un-American behavior of the republicans, we must ensure that they are simply unable to perpetrate their fraud. It's just disgusting that we'll have to endure two terms of this lying sack of sh!t when it is entirely conceivable that he shouldn't have ever made it to office at all.

OTOH, I'm still hoping we'll get to see Cheney suffer a fatal heart attack on CSpan. And if some misguided soul puts a bullet through W, well, that would just be icing on the cake.


...look no further than to ask why the Ohio voting scams have not as yet been widely covered by the "mainstream" media outlets, as well as several voting scams & irregularities in other states such as FL, NC, NM, NH, etc.

Seems to me that if ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox, NBC, and the rest were truly independent, investigative news organizations, this stuff would be splashed all over your screens every night & day instead of diverting attention to, for example, the Ukraine voter uprisings:




In light of these events, I'll ask all of the Republican/Neo-Con supporters on RBR: Would you support Rev. Jackson's call for a "constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to vote for all U.S. citizens and to empower Congress to establish federal standards and nonpartisan administration of elections."?

If not, WHY NOT??


- Art

AJS
11-30-2004, 08:39 PM
Paul, what you said is exactly what I've been trying to get this board to understand, (as well as quite a few others). Seriously, as concerned citizens every one of us needs to find the addresses (e-mail or snail) and let our Reps in Congress know that we will not stand for this blatant hijacking of our democracy. Nothing will change if the voting public doesn't make life miserable for the ones responsible for legislating and upholding the law.

Duane, that's a start, but the laws and regulations obviously need to be changed at the federal level so that no party can install an ideologue/partisan in a position to change the laws at a local level at his/her whim to benefit their party, as K. Harris did in FL '00 and now K. Blackwell has done in OH '04. Bear in mind that this was all supposed to have been rectified after the '00 debacle by order of Congress, but various states have been left to their own devices with little if any oversight.

Otherwise, what good would paper balloting be if the head of the elections apparatus in a state won't allow them to be counted, tosses out ballots that he/she doesn't want counted, and makes it extremely difficult for opponent's voters to cast a vote in the first place?

This is something I blame not only on the perpetrators, but on John Kerry and John Edwards, the Democratic machine, and the mass media for not screaming "FOUL!" from the top of every roof 24/7 until the situation is rectified to all party's satisfaction. By their silence, they're ALL complicit.

Isn't it highly instructive that there has been no outcry from the Right-Wingers on this site, or in the general public??

P-Quoddy
11-30-2004, 09:20 PM
...look no further than to ask why the Ohio voting scams have not as yet been widely covered by the "mainstream" media outlets, as well as several voting scams & irregularities in other states such as FL, NC, NM, NH, etc.

Seems to me that if ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox, NBC, and the rest were truly independent, investigative news organizations, this stuff would be splashed all over your screens every night & day instead of diverting attention to, for example, the Ukraine voter uprisings:




In light of these events, I'll ask all of the Republican/Neo-Con supporters on RBR: Would you support Rev. Jackson's call for a "constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to vote for all U.S. citizens and to empower Congress to establish federal standards and nonpartisan administration of elections."?

If not, WHY NOT??


- Art

Why? Because if we let all the five-year-olds vote Spongebob Squarepants will be running the country.

AJS
11-30-2004, 10:30 PM
Why? Because if we let all the five-year-olds vote Spongebob Squarepants will be running the country.

Whom I'm sure would make an infinitely better president than the current one.

Do you have a useful comment to make, or are you just trying to waste bandwidth?

Duane Gran
12-01-2004, 05:44 AM
Duane, that's a start, but the laws and regulations obviously need to be changed at the federal level so that no party can install an ideologue/partisan in a position to change the laws at a local level at his/her whim to benefit their party, as K. Harris did in FL '00 and now K. Blackwell has done in OH '04. Bear in mind that this was all supposed to have been rectified after the '00 debacle by order of Congress, but various states have been left to their own devices with little if any oversight.

Actually, this is one area where I'm a classic conservative, in that I believe we should have 50 experiments in democracy rather than one order from on high. Although I find serious problems with the election oversight in FL and OH, I think they need to sort out their own problem. Pressure can come from citizens in other states, but ultimately residents of those states need to fix the problem.

There might be a good case for federal legislation preventing the appointment of anyone to an election oversight post from the acting administration. This seems reasonable. Maybe we are talking about the same thing.

AJS
12-01-2004, 12:15 PM
Maybe we are talking about the same thing.

Probably.

At the same time, we have seen repeatedly what happens when the states are left to themselves to create and enforce fair and credible voting regulations - it doesn't seem to be working so well, does it?

atpjunkie
12-01-2004, 12:21 PM
historically goes against the Pubs. So why would they want to encourage people to vote?
c'mon it's a democracy and all, but all people voting? sheeeesh
(bathed in sarcasm)

AJS
12-01-2004, 12:32 PM
Why have high turnout when you don't need it? Just hire a few good facsists to "oversee" the "election", and Voila! Piece-a cake!

atpjunkie
12-01-2004, 01:13 PM
on the bus to 're-education' camp? I'll brings some sandwiches. gonna be a loooong trip.

AJS
12-01-2004, 01:45 PM
I thought they still used trains for the ride there?
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P-Quoddy
12-09-2004, 09:01 PM
Whom I'm sure would make an infinitely better president than the current one.

Do you have a useful comment to make, or are you just trying to waste bandwidth?

If you'd lighten up, you would have been able to see my point.
"Would you support Rev. Jackson's call for a "constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to vote for all U.S. citizens"
All US citizens? Last time I checked, people of ALL ages can be US citizens.

AJS
12-09-2004, 10:23 PM
If you'd lighten up, you would have been able to see my point.
"Would you support Rev. Jackson's call for a "constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to vote for all U.S. citizens"
All US citizens? Last time I checked, people of ALL ages can be US citizens.


I got the joke before, but I thought mine was a serious question, that's all.