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AJS
12-02-2004, 09:18 AM
MORE evidence that the Bush Admin. should be impeached:

Published on Wednesday, December 1, 2004 by the Washington Post
U.S. Generals in Iraq Were Told of Abuse Early, Inquiry Finds
by Josh White


A confidential report to Army generals in Iraq in December 2003 warned that members of an elite military and CIA task force were abusing detainees, a finding delivered more than a month before Army investigators received the photographs from Abu Ghraib prison that touched off investigations into prisoner mistreatment.

The report, which was not released publicly and was recently obtained by The Washington Post, concluded that some U.S. arrest and detention practices at the time could "technically" be illegal. It also said coalition fighters could be feeding the Iraqi insurgency by "making gratuitous enemies" as they conducted sweeps netting hundreds of detainees who probably did not belong in prison and holding them for months at a time.

The investigation, by retired Col. Stuart A. Herrington, also found that members of Task Force 121 -- a joint Special Operations and CIA mission searching for weapons of mass destruction and high-value targets including Saddam Hussein -- had been abusing detainees throughout Iraq and had been using a secret interrogation facility to hide their activities.

Herrington's findings are the latest in a series of confidential reports to come to light about detainee abuse in Iraq. Until now, U.S. military officials have characterized the problem as one largely confined to the military prison at Abu Ghraib -- a situation they first learned about in January 2004. But Herrington's report shows that U.S. military leaders in Iraq were told of such allegations even before then, and that problems were not restricted to Abu Ghraib. Herrington, a veteran of the U.S. counterinsurgency effort in Vietnam, warned that such harsh tactics could imperil U.S. efforts to quell the Iraqi insurgency -- a prediction echoed months later by a military report and other reviews of the war effort.


Rest of article (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1201-03.htm)

4bykn
12-02-2004, 12:24 PM
MORE evidence that the Bush Admin. should be impeached:



We all know that a true impeachable offense involves interns and blue dresses! ;)

atpjunkie
12-02-2004, 12:28 PM
personal moral offenses are impeachable whilst
direct attacks on our Constitution, International Law, the Geneva Convention, democratic process, etc....
are just fine and dandy

Henry Chinaski
12-02-2004, 01:29 PM
personal moral offenses are impeachable whilst
direct attacks on our Constitution, International Law, the Geneva Convention, democratic process, etc....
are just fine and dandy

Mass killing, pollution, reckless greed and loss of individual rights are merely temporary setbacks. But the damage done to the image of cigars or dry cleaners will last forever.

AJS
12-02-2004, 02:06 PM
Yeah - give a "White Owl" to the A-rab while you're beating the sh!t out of him.

KenB
12-03-2004, 04:13 PM
What are the laws regarding impeachment of cabinent level positions? I mean, there is no way that they'll ever catch Bush or Cheney in anything that they could make stick. The cabinent may be a different story though but I don't know what the rules are.

AJS
12-03-2004, 04:28 PM
...I mean, there is no way that they'll ever catch Bush or Cheney in anything that they could make stick...

Bullsh!t. It would be relatively easy to impeach Bush & Cheney right now if we had a House of Reps that had the will and the integrity to begin the process. There is ample evidence against them.

KenB
12-03-2004, 04:38 PM
Bullsh!t. It would be relatively easy to impeach Bush & Cheney right now if we had a House of Reps that had the will and the integrity to begin the process. There is ample evidence against them.
Integrity in D.C.? You're joking, right?

Don't get me wrong -- I would love to see BushCo held to answer for their incompetence. Better yet, giving them a gun and sitting each and every one of them on the front lines in Iraq would be poetic. I just think they have deniability all the way through and have planned it to be like that all along to avoid the very thing you're talking about.

AJS
12-03-2004, 05:27 PM
I can recall some Congressmen that the term would apply to, at least to a far greater extent than what we have in the majority today - Reps. such as Tip O'Neil, Charles Rangel, and John Conyers to name a few.

If GWB & the Neo-Con's have deniability which was planned all along as you say, then the critique is far worse than mere incompetence, and I'm convinced that rather it is deliberate and intentional malfeasance that they're responsible for.

Just taking one example: it has been established that their plan to conquer Iraq was hatched well before 9/11 occured. The lies in the '03 State of the Union speech, Powell's UN performance, Rumsfeld saying "we know where they are" (WMD's), Cheney's & Rice's continuous hyping of WMD threat, and Rice's "mushroom cloud" statements on the Sunday talk shows were all well-crafted to back up this illegal and unneccessary conflict.

It is also not by accident or incompetence that the Gitmo and Abu Gharab tortures took place, (and probably are still going on) or that many prisoners/detainees were moved to undisclosed locations.

And then you have the whole '00 & '04 election scams issue, Halliburton, the Valerie Plame outing, and more. To say that the very top levels, including GWB & Cheney, were not aware of and approving of all of this going on is ridiculous, and at best wishful thinking.

KenB
12-03-2004, 06:23 PM
I agree, but it's proving the malfeasance that I don't think will happen, at least not in our lifetimes. I don't think it could be proved even with a Democrat majority all the way around. They can easily claim ignorance and blame everything else on bad intelligence. There is no paper trail, no smoking gun, no cigar and no stained blue dress. Unlike Clinton, who was caught in a lie under oath, I don't think we'll ever get that chance with BushCo. I think they learned hard lessons from Ronnie and Bubba. They've been very, very careful to not leave a trail.

AJS
12-03-2004, 07:35 PM
These things didn't happen in a vacuum. I see your point, but there IS a trail of individuals - people that were witness/participants and/or informed about these activities. Whether they'll ever come forward before they die of "accidental" or "unusual" causes or become senile is another thing.

KenB
12-04-2004, 05:02 AM
Whether they'll ever come forward before they die of "accidental" or "unusual" causes or become senile is another thing.
True. We can only hope. :(