Seems from this morning's paper that Marion Jones's emphatic doping denials at the Olympics are false. It makes me sick that we sent her to the Olympics to represent the US.

Seems like denial is the preffered choice these days. Give it up Tyler.

Do you think Barry Bonds knew what he was getting? Should he be punished or should his trainer?

Dick Pound is back in the news and is ready to strip Marion Jones of her 5 Gold Medals from Sydney if these allegations are true. The winds of change are blowing and I think it is a good thing #1 for the health of athletes and #2 for our children who are up and coming athletes.

Did anyone see the 20/20 episode on this Friday night. I missed it.

Did anyone see the 20/20 episode on this Friday night. I missed it.

Here is the transcript of the show:
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=297995&page=1

Seems from this morning's paper that Marion Jones's emphatic doping denials at the Olympics are false. It makes me sick that we sent her to the Olympics to represent the US.

Seems like denial is the preffered choice these days. Give it up Tyler.

Do you think Barry Bonds knew what he was getting? Should he be punished or should his trainer?

Dick Pound is back in the news and is ready to strip Marion Jones of her 5 Gold Medals from Sydney if these allegations are true. The winds of change are blowing and I think it is a good thing #1 for the health of athletes and #2 for our children who are up and coming athletes.

Did anyone see the 20/20 episode on this Friday night. I missed it.

I am curious as to what you think about the claims that Mr. Conte makes about the "playing field being level", i.e. most top-level athletes are doping. My overall belief is that most top teams are *probably* running some type of doping program that is analogous to the nuclear arms race of the 60's-80's in that everyone is just attempting to keep up with his/her opponent. I still wonder where you get the venom for your attacks on the likes of Hamilton and Pantani et al cos these guys certainly didn't invent doping nor are they the only ones doing it, if indeed they are/were doping. Furthermore, it is the job of a parent to raise a child who will steer clear of such poor choices as becoming a doper. Just like with illegal narcotics, all of the law enforcement on the face of the earth will mean squat if the demand for said products is still there. I have no interest in getting in a p*ssing match with you about Hamilton (who is not, as you claim, my "hero") but I still find your attacks on the man rather curious as you seem ready to give Bonds the benefit of the doubt about his drug use. Let's be real for a moment; does any athlete at the level of Bonds/Hamilton/Jones put *anything* in their body without a secure knowledge as to what it is and does? Please hold all athletes to the same standard by which you have judged Hamilton. Really, Conte's comments ring very true and we all need to take a look at ourselves because we all love to see guys knock the sh*t out of a ball or run/ride to new world records and the simple truth is that to keep pushing the boundries of what is possible using the human body people are going to bring (bad) science into the mix...

is so meticulous in his training I doubt he didn't know EXACTLY what he was putting into himself. Strip all of them of their records, medals, hall of fame, etc... otherwise it looks like you are telling kids "Doping Works, Look at all these MVP's, Hall of Famers, Govenors, etc..."
as for Tyler....jury is out. I wonder if it is true if the doping was systematic by the Team, just a few riders sharing doping techniques, or possibly a Team Doc doping them w/out their knowledge (Bonds excuse...unlikely but possible. a Doc could have 'cut' RBCs into plasma that is given to riders during GT's for rehydration.)

is so meticulous in his training I doubt he didn't know EXACTLY what he was putting into himself. Strip all of them of their records, medals, hall of fame, etc... otherwise it looks like you are telling kids "Doping Works, Look at all these MVP's, Hall of Famers, Govenors, etc..."
as for Tyler....jury is out. I wonder if it is true if the doping was systematic by the Team, just a few riders sharing doping techniques, or possibly a Team Doc doping them w/out their knowledge (Bonds excuse...unlikely but possible. a Doc could have 'cut' RBCs into plasma that is given to riders during GT's for rehydration.)
Maybe we should just go back to the old days where in sports like Pro Football everyone knew the athletes doped--it just wasn't talked about. Ignorance is bliss.

There is really little difference between Bonds or Marion Jones or Lance Armstrong.

Barry Bonds and Marion Jones has been accused by Dr. Victor Conte.
Lance Armstrong has been accused by Dr. Prentice Steffen.

Bonds was trained by a former trainer who was alleged to supply athletes with steroids.
Armstrong was trained by known dope doctor Michelle Ferrari.

So, what's the difference other than mostly white America sympathizing, on the one hand, for a white American who beat Cancer and dogging on a black athlete.

There is really little difference between Bonds or Marion Jones or Lance Armstrong.

Barry Bonds and Marion Jones has been accused by Dr. Victor Conte.
Lance Armstrong has been accused by Dr. Prentice Steffen.

Bonds was trained by a former trainer who was alleged to supply athletes with steroids.
Armstrong was trained by known dope doctor Michelle Ferrari.

So, what's the difference other than mostly white America sympathizing, on the one hand, for a white American who beat Cancer and dogging on a black athlete.
Don't drag race into it. Most American's could give a crap less about pro cycling, but The All-American game of baseball is sacrosanct and anyone who besmirches it is evil.

Which performance enhancing drug enables a baseball player to hit a ball better?

Which performance enhancing drug enables a baseball player to hit a ball better?

While steroids do not help you hit a baseball better, they do allow you to hit the ball with more power. Look at it from a strength increase point of view. You still have to hit the ball but since you have bulked up by taking steriods, you now hit the ball with more power. More power equals more home runs vs long fly balls that are caught, ground balls that may have been fielded now rip though the infield, line drives almost take off infielders heads.

There is really little difference between Bonds or Marion Jones or Lance Armstrong.

Barry Bonds and Marion Jones has been accused by Dr. Victor Conte.
Lance Armstrong has been accused by Dr. Prentice Steffen.

Bonds was trained by a former trainer who was alleged to supply athletes with steroids.
Armstrong was trained by known dope doctor Michelle Ferrari.

So, what's the difference other than mostly white America sympathizing, on the one hand, for a white American who beat Cancer and dogging on a black athlete.

Dr. Steffen accused Tyler Hamilton and Marty Jemison of seeking out performance enhancing drugs. This was the pre-Armstrong era for USPS and he has not, to my knowledge, ever directly implicated Armstrong in any doping program. I'm not weighing in on the for/against L.A. doping controversy; just thought that you should compare apples to apples etc...

Dr. Steffen accused Tyler Hamilton and Marty Jemison of seeking out performance enhancing drugs. This was the pre-Armstrong era for USPS and he has not, to my knowledge, ever directly implicated Armstrong in any doping program. I'm not weighing in on the for/against L.A. doping controversy; just thought that you should compare apples to apples etc...


No. YOU get your facts straight. Dr. Steffen was on ESPN's Outside the Lines and stated that he was verbally threatened by Lance Armstrong if he said anything publicly about Lance's EPO usage.

Sounds on Par for the "Don't mess with texas" attitude we are dealing with when talking about Lance.

Guess where Tyler learned all of his "deny til ya die" behavior from?

Like many of you have said, "doping denial is an industry wide problem"

I will assume that Roman Sh*tski is some sort of clever take on Roman Polanski? As far as I know, Roman Polanski never doped or was he implicated by Dr. Steffen? I love that if one does not scream that Lance/Tyler should be strung from the highest yard arm then we are part of the "Don't Mess With Texas" Mafia! What is at the root of your hatred for these two particular cyclists? If they are indeed doping you must be aware that the problem is "industry-wide" so, as Balco's chief Conte has said, it is simply leveling the playing field. Is it the actual doping that drives you mad or the denials? Please clarify your stance somewhat so that you will come off as something other than one who simply has some sort of issue with Armstrong and Hamilton. Do you have a problem with Frigo, Fignon, Delgado, Zulle, Virenque et al? I am still waiting for your revelations about your insider's view of the doping problem just like you are waiting for Hamilton's "fantastic story". Just to play the Devil's Advocate, what makes Dr. Steffen's claims any more/less legitimate than Armstrong's?

Last warning on the name calling.

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