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MR_GRUMPY
12-04-2004, 01:13 PM
Sunday 5th December, 2004

U.S. dollar dangles in the dust
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By Paul Heise Saturday 4th December, 2004

The talk on the street -- Wall Street -- is all about the falling U.S. dollar.

It now takes $1.34 to buy one euro when, four years ago, you could buy one euro for 82 cents. Why is this happening, and do we have a problem?

The dollar is falling because America is spending too much and saving too little. The rest of the world is lending America almost their entire savings so that it can cut taxes, have wars of choice and continue it's binge consumption on their goods.

The U.S. is living off the world's savings, and the falling dollar shows it is tiring of it all.

While it is costing more, a lot more, for Americans to travel abroad, that is trivial. Long run, we could see a a fall-of-Rome type meltdown of the dollar and the whole financial system. That is not trivial.

We have been here before. As in 1972, America is bogged down in an uncertain war in Asia, the national debt is soaring and America is buying internationally far more than it can pay for. The U.S. now owes the rest of the world a net $2.6 trillion, an increase of $1 trillion in the last four years.

In 1972, the outflow of dollars led to the collapse of the international financial system, with exploding interest rates and runaway inflation. We had stagflation for the rest of the decade.

It is all happening again, only this time it will be much worse because America and the dollar are far more important than they were then. This time, the dollar could also collapse.

The dollar has become the world's currency. Foreign governments hold $2 trillion in dollar assets as reserves. The dollar is also the medium of exchange for all world sales in oil and most commodities. A large portion of world exports are denominated in dollars. No one has any idea how many dollars are actually out there sloshing around the world.

We do know that the total is increasing at the rate of $600 billion a year. America is undermining the world's currency like it was the peso of some banana republic.

Alan Greenspan, chairman of the Federal Reserve, has acknowledged that at some point this outflow has to end. He has even said that if you don't hedge a long-term falling dollar, you want to lose money.

But it isn't just Greenspan and Wall Street. Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that Russia is likely to switch some of its reserves from dollars to euros. The Japanese and Chinese central bank authorities talk about 'flexibility,' and the dollar drops another notch because they mean they may stop supporting the dollar. Individual Chinese investors are lining up to dump dollars.

Up until 2001, foreigners saw America as a good place to lend money because they thought they would get a good return. Since then, private investors began to have doubts. They cut their lending, and Asian governments, for political and not profitability reasons, took up the slack. The Chinese and other Asian exporters did this because they did not want to see a weak dollar.

Put yourself in the place of the Chinese. They want to sell their clothing, trinkets and TVs as exports to the United States because that creates jobs in their economy. A weakening dollar means Chinese goods become more expensive in America. Exports from China to America could drop sharply, and China would go into a recession.

The Chinese are avoiding a recession and perhaps a worldwide depression by buying up excess dollars and thereby supporting the value of the dollar. The fate of the United States, and the fate of the world, is in the hands of the Chinese.

The Chinese central bank and the U.S. Federal Reserve are in what has been called a dance of death, in that sometime there has to be a reckoning. The dollar has to fall; the question is how far and how fast. The longer we wait, the worse it will be.

The world waited on the presidential election. Now the president has specified his priorities for his second term, and he made no strong statement about getting the U.S.'s financial house in order. Rather, he proposed a Social Security plan that will require an extra trillion dollars of borrowing, a tax reform that is revenue neutral and tax cuts made permanent. The world is not reassured.

The real difference is that in 1972, there was no alternative to the dollar. Now there is the euro. People who do not want to lose money are hedging -- selling dollars and buying euros. When everyone agrees that there is one side of the boat to be on, everyone has a problem.

AJS
12-05-2004, 01:35 PM
Wasn't it Good Ol' Ronnie who said, "Deficits don't matter"? Looks like the Dick n' Bush Circus might soon find out.

Bocephus Jones II
12-06-2004, 07:46 AM
Wasn't it Good Ol' Ronnie who said, "Deficits don't matter"? Looks like the Dick n' Bush Circus might soon find out.
What I don't get is that people who are much smarter than me about money (like moneyman) continue to support GWs flawed economic policies that are causing these problems. Even a third grader could tell you that GW is not fiscally responsible.

AJS
12-06-2004, 09:06 AM
I was going to mention that it is curious that the Rightie's such as mm haven't responded to this, but I also half-expect some windy, twisted diatribe on how this makes good fiscal sense.

I'm willing to bet that mm and others here are well aware of the Neo-Con agenda vis-a-vis the fed budget. It's called "starve the beast", so that nothing is left for entitlement programs and only corporate welfare and defense programs will be paid for. Whatever happens to the dollar's value and nat'l debt is secondary

atpjunkie
12-06-2004, 01:55 PM
and the chinese quit buying the debt and the world diversifies their portfolios ba-da-bing!
it was all in the Russel Report that came out before the election.
Will be funny how many Bush supporters who are over leveraged, bought no-down, interest only homes that will be worth a 3rd less than their purchase price (negative equity) and they'll still be paying mortgage on the inflated price will forfiet their homes only to find they owe the balance to some Chinese Businessman (owns a factory where their low cost, Wal Mart items are made) who purchased their mortgage at a percent or 2 lower so the Mortgage Company they've been paying is just shaving their percentage.
once again doinking themselves in the buttocks. they'll get what they deserve, but FYI I'd put mots of your investment $ in a cash trust where it will neither gain or lose value. It's a good time to sit it out IMHO.

firstrax
12-06-2004, 05:04 PM
Will be funny how many Bush supporters who are over leveraged, bought no-down, interest only homes that will be worth a 3rd less than their purchase price (negative equity) .
I don't think the Bush supporters have the exclusive on that scenario.

Bocephus Jones II
12-07-2004, 08:11 AM
I don't think the Bush supporters have the exclusive on that scenario.
agreed...to be honest it won't give me any great satisfaction to be able to say "I told you so" to the people who supported GWs misguided economic policies. It will just be sad. People can do things now to mitigate risk though. Fortunately, I recently refinanced and cut my term from 30 to 15yr and locked in a really low interest rate so I'm preparing the best I can for the future depression. I can't understand why someone would take a interest-only loan unless they had no other options. Better to live in a smaller house you can actually afford.

firstrax
12-07-2004, 10:00 AM
agreed...to be honest it won't give me any great satisfaction to be able to say "I told you so" to the people who supported GWs misguided economic policies. It will just be sad. People can do things now to mitigate risk though. Fortunately, I recently refinanced and cut my term from 30 to 15yr and locked in a really low interest rate so I'm preparing the best I can for the future depression. I can't understand why someone would take a interest-only loan unless they had no other options. Better to live in a smaller house you can actually afford.

I refinanced from a 30 to a 15 then from the 15 to a 10 year. With the lower interest rate the monthly payment is only up $60 from the original 30. I sleep well at night knowing I can be a greeter at walmart and keep the same lifestyle.
Even worse than the interest only loans are the variable rate loans. Their going to get screwed.

Bocephus Jones II
12-07-2004, 10:02 AM
I refinanced from a 30 to a 15 then from the 15 to a 10 year. With the lower interest rate the monthly payment is only up $60 from the original 30. I sleep well at night knowing I can be a greeter at walmart and keep the same lifestyle.
Even worse than the interest only loans are the variable rate loans. Their going to get screwed.
Last I heard, Walmart wasn't doing so well. I think I'll get my retirement job at Costco instead! ;)

firstrax
12-07-2004, 10:11 AM
Last I heard, Walmart wasn't doing so well. I think I'll get my retirement job at Costco instead! ;)
Im looking at the "social agenda" aspect of the job. All the lonely soccer moms around here shop at walmart.

AJS
12-07-2004, 01:08 PM
Im looking at the "social agenda" aspect of the job. All the lonely soccer moms around here shop at walmart.

Just don't get a "bleeding panty-waste", or it won't be much fun.

:(

Bocephus Jones II
12-07-2004, 02:23 PM
Im looking at the "social agenda" aspect of the job. All the lonely soccer moms around here shop at walmart.
Target tends to get the coeds and soccer moms in Boulder. Walmart more of the unwashed masses yearning to buy cheap appliances and Old Roy dog food. ;)