hoo, my good man, would you please deconstruct Newton's 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and demonstrate for the Masses here why it proves the inevitable collapse of capitalism? I hinted at it in my brief missive below, but I fear I was too cryptic. I would elaborate myself, but it tonight is the celebration of Pagan Spring here at Antioch, and the co-eds are ready to Frolic. So I must take my leave, Comrade.

With thanks,
Dr Menace

read my response in the primary thread....

I have business. I am just passing through threads in a way not intended by the structure. Catch me if you can!!!!!!!!

I'm not Dr. Hoo, but I'm interested to hear more. I am, however, skeptical of your claim because I believe entropy is a force larger than our economic systems. Eventually the sun will burn out and the universe (and by extension the cosmos) will become cold, as in zero degrees kelvin. It is sort of like saying we will all die someday. The proof is there, but it doesn't make not want to live well in the meantime.

Do you mean that capitalism drains off more energy than it replaces?

Same as borrowing more to fuel an economy faster than it is being produced through economic expansion.

Some deep socio-philosophical discussions going on. Although I'm no idjut, I am left on the sidelines watching this discussion.

Do you mean that capitalism drains off more energy than it replaces?

The great thing about what you wrote is this:

In regards to creation, you rightly point out that you can only hold off heat death by adding energy.

In the same way, someone has to explain, outside of an intelligent creator, how did the system get wound up in the first place (since it's constantly unwinding and losing energy now, by Second Law of Thermodynamics). The unwinding that is occuring is the result of it being initially wound. Interesting question.

A good example is a car. If you just leave it, thing just deteriorate. We need to input maintenance, just to stop the hoses from failing, the tires from falling apart and the paint from peeling. And that would still occur although slower in a closed protected system.

You put that same car in an open system with light and oxidants, then the process happens even faster.

Here's a point for you. Did you know that Einstein did not know that his Theory of Relativity, would be bent into social application?

In the same way, it's interesting that Red Menance is trying to use a scientific law to apply to a social or economic system. Maybe that's crossing the line in the same way. Beware.

Which one was the second law? Was that the one about total energy of a system balancing? Or the one about entopy increasing? My old Thermo professor would strangle me if he knew I've forgotten......