just a thought. Good idea or not. This subject is not going away and it is flooding this Pro Cycling forum. That way, doping afficionados can discuss it at length and the rest of the folks can discuss other racing issues.

The Doping Forum - allegations, accusations, evidence, EPO, HGH, ABCDEFG.

francois

Because the people who deny that there's a doping problem would take it over with their endless talk of clean racing, scientific tests that supposedly show how clean the best riders are, and unsubstantiated testimony by former riders that no one dopes.

Sorry, taking tongue out of cheek now. :)

just a thought. Good idea or not. This subject is not going away and it is flooding this Pro Cycling forum. That way, doping afficionados can discuss it at length and the rest of the folks can discuss other racing issues.

The Doping Forum - allegations, accusations, evidence, EPO, HGH, ABCDEFG.

francois
We could create a Fantasy Doping Cycling League Forum. This forum would be dedicated to taking all of the suspicions, tripe, innuendo, fact, myth and legend and creating a Fantasy Cycling Doping Team.

Need a record shattered? No problem, choose a rider, a doping regimen and knock yourself out!!!!!! How much EPO would he need to do that? Wow, will he ever have viable sperm after that?????? :confused: :confused:

Please do!!!
I've almost stopped visiting this forum because of the same old tired arguments.

I agree. Make it ASAP so we can get back to talking about the pro racing circuit here.

I would agree with the idea if this board were overwhelmed with postings. However, the real issue is that there are not enough new topics, whether doping, racing, or anything else for that matter, posted that warrant splitting the board. The more appropriate question right now would be is there enough interest and participation to have a separate pro-cycling board period (although I know this is a moot point when we get into the peak of racing season). With that said, I do thoroughly enjoy reading the posts on this board and the contribution everyone makes to it.

Please do!!!
I've almost stopped visiting this forum because of the same old tired arguments.
The TDF has the Devil (weird German guy who is an avid cyclist but runs up the hills dressed as a devil). The Doping TDF would need my suggestion below:

day late dollar short.
see my post yesterday

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=26950

day late dollar short.
see my post yesterday

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=26950

hey man, you know what they say about great minds...
... they think like me!

fc

like me.

I think my title is bit more accurate.

would be nice, then we could get back to bike racing.

Please do!!!
I've almost stopped visiting this forum because of the same old tired arguments.

I'm interested in the sport, not the dirty laundry. The is hardly a thread in this forum where drugs are not brought up. Let those that wallow in the filth have their own forum.

I'm interested in the sport, not the dirty laundry. The is hardly a thread in this forum where drugs are not brought up. Let those that wallow in the filth have their own forum.

Yes, things seem real bad now and I think it's about to get worse if we don't create a separate forum.

I hate the thread hijacking that's going on. Very interesting threads get hijacked into a doping pissing war.

I'll get on it and I'll move all relevant content there. We'll need your support here so everyone understands they can talk drugs all day on the Doping Channel, not here. I'll also need a moderator here that can move/delete threads.

francois

Yes, things seem real bad now and I think it's about to get worse if we don't create a separate forum.

I hate the thread hijacking that's going on. Very interesting threads get hijacked into a doping pissing war.

I'll get on it and I'll move all relevant content there. We'll need your support here so everyone understands they can talk drugs all day on the Doping Channel, not here. I'll also need a moderator here that can move/delete threads.

francois

I will keep an eye on things here too, I have been stopping in more often here each day due to the doping based trolls we have been having lately. I agree its best to shoo them off to a seperate forum before the Grand Tour season starts.


:)

Why bother. Just change the name on this forum since racing is no longer discussed...

It is a valid point that there aren't that many new cycling threads - after all there's a lot of racing going on at the moment but I doubt if I started a thread on this week's Belgian semi-classics or semana Catlana that there would be much response because they just aren't being covered - and, let's be realistic, the focus of this forum is very much on the American scene.

A separate doping forum would be a fine idea - I try to post about all cycling related topics and doping is inextricably a part of the sport as it exists. To deny that is to be somewhat naive. But I agree - and am as guilty as anyone - that doping has seemed to get into every topic. It possibly belongs in a sensible discussion of some topics e.g. threads on Hamilton but not all. I would be interested in participating in well informed discussions about the major problem in the sport, just as much as I enjoy well informed discussion about the broader road racing scene.

It is a valid point that there aren't that many new cycling threads - after all there's a lot of racing going on at the moment but I doubt if I started a thread on this week's Belgian semi-classics or semana Catlana that there would be much response because they just aren't being covered - and, let's be realistic, the focus of this forum is very much on the American scene.

A separate doping forum would be a fine idea - I try to post about all cycling related topics and doping is inextricably a part of the sport as it exists. To deny that is to be somewhat naive. But I agree - and am as guilty as anyone - that doping has seemed to get into every topic. It possibly belongs in a sensible discussion of some topics e.g. threads on Hamilton but not all. I would be interested in participating in well informed discussions about the major problem in the sport, just as much as I enjoy well informed discussion about the broader road racing scene.

IMO

DOPING IS NOT BY SHEER FIAT PART OF THIS OR ANY SPORT.

The issue is that we have a finite population of folks who have no medical or professional Training in either sports or medicine. They read news magazines, ride bikes and basically ruin it for anyone who just wishes to enjoy riding a bike and why not, follow the sport. However, this doping thing just "crops up" due to, IMO, and again, I stress, IMO, people who feed off of the misery and fear of others. Sort of pocket necro mancers, but far more cowardly. BUT, they are so "informed" that they just cant resist having that inside scoop. I used to call that the kingdom of the c0ck holsters, but now we nicely label it gossip.

They have nothing except, a complete lack of ethics and talent. I am amazed they are capable of driving cars, much less making a fist. That alone probably took years of tantric study at a monastery. If you cant enjoy a thing by its sheer joy, and if you cant let others share that joy and happiness because you are so freakishly self involved, cynical and jaded. Then, take a big hot cup of shut the fvck up and go to the doping forum.

The doping forum is a great idea. Better than sliced bread. :cool:

ttug, doping has been a part of race cycling since the earliest days of competition, just as cheating of any kind is, unfortunately, part and parcel of any competitive endeavour - when significant amounts of money and sponsorship are involved. Why is your enjoyment of the sport ruined by people pointing what is, after all, absolutely obvious and, as you say yourself, in the public domain? I imagine you're mature enough to enjoy your riding and your sport and to ignore that which offends you - like I do when you get particularly abusive.

ttug, doping has been a part of race cycling since the earliest days of competition, just as cheating of any kind is, unfortunately, part and parcel of any competitive endeavour - when significant amounts of money and sponsorship are involved. Why is your enjoyment of the sport ruined by people pointing what is, after all, absolutely obvious and, as you say yourself, in the public domain? I imagine you're mature enough to enjoy your riding and your sport and to ignore that which offends you - like I do when you get particularly abusive.

When I did strength sports, I broke facial bones, dislocated shoulders, knees, broke ribs, tore muscles, pulled rib muscles to the point I could not breathe, passed out training, threw up training, popped hemmoroids, etc etc etc. I DID NOT DOPE.

Was it part and parcel of the sport NO. It was the domain of uninformed folks who had this need to be something they could not be: dedicated to their sport and project some form of dignity and an ethic. Does this mean that I wanted to whole world to give me a big ol fuzzy hug? NO. A silver medal for not doping, NO.

The public domain as you put it, thats funny. Is that your excuse for an inner failing on your part so you call it the public domain. Everybody does it right? NO they dont. Assuming dope is insulting to the guys and gals who have talent, who train like freaks and succeed. Instead of rcognizing that effort, or dedication, NAH, its a drug. Assuming dope is the easy out for folks who do not have the courage to accept their failings, they are not as talented as others. Thats it. If you dont have it, and you dont like it, well, they all most dope. No, in all probability, you just do not have it. After my second radical dislocation of my knee, I did not have it. I was sedated, they popped the knee back in the socket and I could no longer lift. I accepted it, I dropped my weight and now I ride bicycles.

If you think that in some way I was impugning you, you certainly have a very high opinion of yourself eh? Let me put it to you this way: IF I thought about it, you could be annoying, but, thankfully I do not. I hear the doping forum will have virtual mascots who pretend to care. My advice is to go find one. If you dont have the courage to hear an honest answer, do not ask the question.