Notice Lance riding a lot more in smaller races this year, and different races?
Is his form off this year cause hes trying it clean? Or because of the pro tour hes riding it?

I find the ultimate test is Dauphine Libere but it is alittle off until then. Maybe his cycles are getting right around this time and this is when he starts to fly?
Ullrich is thinking of riding Dauphine Libere so it will be interesting...

I wonder now that he has broken the 6th record, that the drug guys are watching him closer? Clean or not, eyes are peering at LA.

Closer? How could they possibly watch him any closer than they have been for years?



I wonder now that he has broken the 6th record, that the drug guys are watching him closer? Clean or not, eyes are peering at LA.

Notice Lance riding a lot more in smaller races this year, and different races?
Is his form off this year cause hes trying it clean? Or because of the pro tour hes riding it?

I find the ultimate test is Paris-Nice but it is alittle off until then. Maybe his cycles are getting right around this time and this is when he starts to fly?
Ullrich is thinking of riding PN so it will be interesting...

I wonder now that he has broken the 6th record, that the drug guys are watching him closer? Clean or not, eyes are peering at LA.

Lance rode in a bunch of smaller races last year as well. Tour of Algarve comes to mind.

Ultimate test is Paris Nice? What are you talking about? This has already happened... Ullrich did not ride Paris-Nice. Have you been awake for the last few weeks?

Drug guys have been watching him since 1999. He has been the most tested professional cyclist since that time.

This is all old news.

He has been the most tested professional cyclist since that time.

Sound like propaganda. LA doesn't race enough to be the most tested rider. Try someone who races and wins during the entire season like Zabel or, recently, Petachi. Then ask Virenque, Miller, or Manzano about how well testing testing works.

Lance rode in a bunch of smaller races last year as well. Tour of Algarve comes to mind.

Ultimate test is Paris Nice? What are you talking about? This has already happened... Ullrich did not ride Paris-Nice. Have you been awake for the last few weeks?

Drug guys have been watching him since 1999. He has been the most tested professional cyclist since that time.

This is all old news.

Whoops! I meant the Dauphine Libere. My fault, please dont use that harsh language as I am a very sensitive person. Thanks.

Whoops! I meant the Dauphine Libere. My fault, please dont use that harsh language as I am a very sensitive person. Thanks.
There I was washing the dishes in the kitchen. SUDDENLY, I GOT THIS BURNING SENSATION IN MY HANDS.I live in Virginia.

Get this.....It turns out that my ex-girlgriend was giving a hand job to my best friend in New Mexico!!!!!!!

Hard to believe. :confused: :confused: :confused:

Not for me. :D

Sensitive guys like you who trash people over the net have to have something.

Cannondale,

I have seen several of your posts on the subject, and am just wondering:

What is it that has you so riled up about Lance Armstrong and doping? I could see it if the subject was somehow affecting you personally, but, it's not really affecting any of us on this (or any other discussion board) personally. Not flaming, just confused...

There I was washing the dishes in the kitchen. SUDDENLY, I GOT THIS BURNING SENSATION IN MY HANDS.I live in Virginia.

Get this.....It turns out that my ex-girlgriend was giving a hand job to my best friend in New Mexico!!!!!!!

Hard to believe. :confused: :confused: :confused:

Not for me. :D

Sensitive guys like you who trash people over the net have to have something.

Okay. I got a tap on the hands from francois for "trolling". I hope you also get a tap as well for this.
I think that If I trashed people francois would have me booted. As well, please keep your personal hardships to yourself, it might get embarassing.

Cannondale,

I have seen several of your posts on the subject, and am just wondering:

What is it that has you so riled up about Lance Armstrong and doping? I could see it if the subject was somehow affecting you personally, but, it's not really affecting any of us on this (or any other discussion board) personally. Not flaming, just confused...

I just find it interesting because he is the #1 rider in the world, for the biggest draws and he makes a race. I own all his races on DVD and watch them contently during winter training,have read his two bio's and wear a livestrong band. I don't hate the guy or try and bash him at every turn. I'm just realistic here. He's attacks are fantastic and great to watch. I just find it a bitter pill to see him blast people out of the water that are doping and claim he is clean. Okay, granted he is a training maniac and his lactate levels are ridiculously low but to monopolize the field is too fantastic to be genetic or training related. When I do post opinions I know there are two distinct fields that are attracted to him and I unfortunately read through the responses that I don't care bout reading and take hits for trolling, but I don't care because I enjoy reading the posts from people that think about this topic the way I do. When talking about this topic, people love this guy because what he has done for cancer research. And I am totally behind it 100% and it gives people hope. I hope to God that he isnt doping and that he is the ideal example that without doping it can be done. But I just don't personally believe it the way he dominates the field. Some evidence that has come about from Greg Lemond. Guys like David Millar, Johan Musseuw, T.Hamilton, Zulle, Virenque, Rumsas.. were doping and Lance KILLED THEM...I know flamers, virenque was going for the poka-dot... can't compare....or musseuw races and peaks at a different time... ya, i know....You must remember that cycling is huge in Europe and some people protect the interests of the atheletes and maybe help them through customs, give times of drug tests, replace blood samples, provide doctor certificates and on and on.
My favorite cyclist is Lance in the way he rides the tour... it's amazing... I just am more realistic that the way to do this is to dope.
Just think, guys that dope and cannot stay with a clean Armstrong?
Just doesnt wash with me..
That's why I post the stuff I do, to hear from those that think or believe along the same lines as myself.
I mean.. your whole season is on one race... he says it himself in his books... Would you risk that by not doping? You lose by 20secs and that made the difference in the mountains cause a juice monkey goes by you or you lose his wheel. Someone as competitive as Lance I doubt would risk it..
I think that there should just be a pro cycling circuit that dopes... At some stage of professional sports.. drug enhancements are suggested or taken? Especially when age or an injury has taken place...
Just think logically here.. why are people so anal about this topic.... to say.. "no dirty tests.. innocent!!"
Thats putting a lot of faith in those tests people....

I leave my favourable friends with this thought.
Anyone thought that the new test that caught hamilton has seriously scared the pro tour? And maybe Armstrong was transfusing blood and now he isn't? Hence.. his bad start?
Discuss or Flame... I don't care... you choose.

I don't understand the assertion of a "bad start"......his first race back was against guys who had been racing since Quatar.....and before...guys who have form now, but won't be there later in the season...it takes time to work up to the speed of racing in the professional peleton.......and to develop a peak for later in the season.....to me it's hard to define his first race as anything other than a warmup

I just am more ignorant that the way to do this is to dope.

There,fixed that for you.

I guess the words 'genetics' and 'dedication' aren't in your vocab.

There,fixed that for you.

I guess the words 'genetics' and 'dedication' aren't in your vocab.


While it is very tempting to form negative opinions about people like cannondale lad who smear the dedication and talent of others in a forum wHEre personal confrontation IS Absent;rest ASSured that we are dealing with a senditive guy Here whO reaLly doEs not like to hear harsh words, he could really get hurt...

So be careful out there OK? :eek:

what about baseball? Do you think they hit 50 home runs and break the record and pass drug tests so they're clean? all sports are the same. Most pros are about the same level. Its rare if not impossible to have such a big gap between them.

what about baseball? Do you think they hit 50 home runs and break the record and pass drug tests so they're clean? all sports are the same. Most pros are about the same level. Its rare if not impossible to have such a big gap between them.

A guy like Lance is a rariety that happens all the time. (If that makes any sense at all) Was Anquetil a doper? How about Merckx, Hinault, Indurain, etc.? At any given time there is usually one human being in the peloton that is gifted with extrodinary genetics combined with the type of self discipline needed to utilize it. It's not unusual that they rise to the top. It's also not unusual that they do well in the Tour. Because they can ride faster than the others while using less of their capacity, so they recover better each nite, which keeps them fresher over three weeks. Then they have that little extra in order to gain time in the mountains and TTs'

I can't condemn any pro who's using because I don't know what I would do in their situation. It doesn't matter to me. I just enjoy watching the racing, because I can relate to it on some level. I would not be surprised if Lance is found using banned substances some day. Until that day I give him the benefit of doubt. Not that I have alot personally invested in the matter. But, why sully the notion that there is a very gifted human out there working hard and demonstating the best of the human race.

Lance's early season performance is a result of his periodization training plan.

While it is very tempting to form negative opinions about people like cannondale lad who smear the dedication and talent of others in a forum wHEre personal confrontation IS Absent;rest ASSured that we are dealing with a senditive guy Here whO reaLly doEs not like to hear harsh words, he could really get hurt...

So be careful out there OK? :eek:

Thank-you Ta-Ta-Ta-Ttug!

LOL

This is some funny s#@t

So, anyone actually own the Lance Armstrong watch?

LOL LOL LOL LOL

I think the guy has really really high SODIUM levels and this makes a huge difference....I think he eats alot of Ramen Noodles. I wonder what his favorite kind are, I know it ain't CHICKEN!! ahahhahahah

I don't hate the guy or try and bash him at every turn. I'm just realistic here.
Okay...maybe you don't hate the guy, but it sure appears that you do "bash him at every turn."

I just find it a bitter pill to see him blast people out of the water that are doping and claim he is clean.
So you assume that all the racers he has beaten are doping? Granted there are some who are, but you make it sound like they all are.

When I do post opinions I know there are two distinct fields that are attracted to him and I unfortunately read through the responses that I don't care bout reading and take hits for trolling, but I don't care because I enjoy reading the posts from people that think about this topic the way I do.
"I enjoy ... people that think ... the way I do." Try to be a little more open-minded!

. Some evidence that has come about from Greg Lemond. Guys like David Millar, Johan Musseuw, T.Hamilton, Zulle, Virenque, Rumsas.. were doping and Lance KILLED THEM...I know flamers, virenque was going for the poka-dot... can't compare....or musseuw races and peaks at a different time... ya, i know...
Some evidence??? What evidence? From what I've read there is no evidence of Armstrong doping.

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My favorite cyclist is Lance in the way he rides the tour... it's amazing... I just am more realistic that the way to do this is to dope.
If he is your favorite, I'd hate to hear what you say about riders you don't like as well!


Just think, guys that dope and cannot stay with a clean Armstrong?
Just doesnt wash with me..

Again...everybody else dopes? Why is it so difficult to believe "your favorite" cyclist when he says he is clean?

That's why I post the stuff I do, to hear from those that think or believe along the same lines as myself.
So you don't want to hear from us "believers?"


I mean.. your whole season is on one race... he says it himself in his books... Would you risk that by not doping?
Perhaps one could ask, "Would you risk that by doping?"


Just think logically here.. why are people so anal about this topic.... to say.. "no dirty tests.. innocent!!"
Thats putting a lot of faith in those tests people....
We are putting our faith in scientific tests, that's all the hard facts we have. But some others put their faith in gut feelings.

Anyone thought that the new test that caught hamilton has seriously scared the pro tour? And maybe Armstrong was transfusing blood and now he isn't?.

Um...ever consider that Armstrong has been tested for that. Remember, he has been tested quite a bit.

A guy like Lance is a rariety that happens all the time. (If that makes any sense at all) Was Anquetil a doper? How about Merckx, Hinault, Indurain, etc.? At any given time there is usually one human being in the peloton that is gifted with extrodinary genetics combined with the type of self discipline needed to utilize it. It's not unusual that they rise to the top. It's also not unusual that they do well in the Tour. Because they can ride faster than the others while using less of their capacity, so they recover better each nite, which keeps them fresher over three weeks. Then they have that little extra in order to gain time in the mountains and TTs'

I can't condemn any pro who's using because I don't know what I would do in their situation. It doesn't matter to me. I just enjoy watching the racing, because I can relate to it on some level. I would not be surprised if Lance is found using banned substances some day. Until that day I give him the benefit of doubt. Not that I have alot personally invested in the matter. But, why sully the notion that there is a very gifted human out there working hard and demonstating the best of the human race. Lance's early season performance is a result of his periodization training plan.

Anquetil was on record many times about doping tests, and how they shouldn't be administered to riders, because as he said, "It's impossible to finish the Tour de France without help". Merckx got busted at the Giro one year and tossed from the race whilst he was leading it (he used the old excuse of "someone put something in my bottle"). Hinnault was under suspicion as well. Indurain, almost about reproach, just because his lungs were like the size of 4 regular lungs.