Pictures and all, I hope you enjoy it.
http://www.catsprn.com/cowboys.htm

Pictures and all, I hope you enjoy it.
http://www.catsprn.com/cowboys.htm
Lol!!!!!


-do you enjoy getting beaten over the head with a dictionary?

Cowboy-n. A man, usu. working on horseback, who herds and tends cattle, esp. in the US

Also-cow'hand', -cow'girl'

--so let's see what is wrong with the URL's perspective...hmmm....

Let me refresh your memory Snake-when Putin was going to visit the Bush ranch in the first term-he decided to learn how to ride horseback well in advance. When he arrived-instead of 'going out on the range' on horseback he received a tour on a great, white-------golf cart!!!!!!

Your "Cowboy" is little more than a below average intelligence, rich kid from the great cowboy state of...Conn. , who has very little independence or free will-all he can do is act upon Karl Roves' suggestions.

Also, as far as 'honest' goes, when Bush endo-ed his MTB--he couldn't even admit that it might have been his fault. His spokesperson laid blame on the 'damp, and muddy ground'; after doing some research-the last time that area had received any rain was over a month ago-and the avg. temps were in the mid 80's!!!!

To be a cowboy-you 1stly should be able to ride a horse methinks.

see "Hypocrite"

Lol!!!!!


-do you enjoy getting beaten over the head with a dictionary?

Cowboy-n. A man, usu. working on horseback, who herds and tends cattle, esp. in the US

Also-cow'hand', -cow'girl'

--so let's see what is wrong with the URL's perspective...hmmm....

Let me refresh your memory Snake-when Putin was going to visit the Bush ranch in the first term-he decided to learn how to ride horseback well in advance. When he arrived-instead of 'going out on the range' on horseback he received a tour on a great, white-------golf cart!!!!!!

Your "Cowboy" is little more than a below average intelligence, rich kid from the great cowboy state of...Conn. , who has very little independence or free will-all he can do is act upon Karl Roves' suggestions.

Also, as far as 'honest' goes, when Bush endo-ed his MTB--he couldn't even admit that it might have been his fault. His spokesperson laid blame on the 'damp, and muddy ground'; after doing some research-the last time that area had received any rain was over a month ago-and the avg. temps were in the mid 80's!!!!

To be a cowboy-you 1stly should be able to ride a horse methinks.

see "Hypocrite"
He looks really good in those pictures doesn't he? Makes me proud to have had the good sense to vote for him. Cowboys rock.

He looks really good in those pictures doesn't he? Makes me proud to have had the good sense to vote for him. Cowboys rock. Just about as good as red skinsuit man.... or your avg. chimp

image courtesy of AJS

Snakebit,

Long time listener, first time caller. Been watching the threads for a while. Snakebit, please don't tell me that there is nothing to worry about. Only those who are uneducated have nothing to worry about. We know what's going on and before long the whole world will too. A president with a cowboy hat, come on! How does that make him look? Very scarey, let me tell you! Just the other day while on a training ride I noticed a black van pull out from a sidestreet and begin to follow me. No conspiracy? Puh-lease! Go tell that to someone who does not have the education I have. I kept looking in my little rear view mirror I have attached to my helmet. Those are pretty cool little things aren't they? Anyway, this black van matched me turn for turn. When I ran the red light, they ran the red light. After a while, and a couple of quick turns and sprints, I finally lost them. Then I heard the unmistakable whoomp, whoomp, whoomp, whoomp. It was one of those black helicopters circling above. They must have called in reinforcement!
I jumped out from behind the dumpster, and took off. I made a left turn then, as I made a right, I noticed that very same black van around the corner. They were too close. I laid the bike down and slid just beneath the passenger doors. Just as I realized what was happening I looked up and saw an image from the front passenger window. The window rolled down about 1/4 of the way. The person I saw in the front passenger seat was wearing a cowboy hat and smoking a cigar!
Just as I looked up to get a better look at the passenger, the doors opened and these little green men all jumped out and surrounded me! I didn't know what to do. I looked to my left, I looked to my right, I looked up. Everywhere I looked there were hundreds of little green men with big heads. I raised my hands to surrender just as the first little man walked up to my bike. I could see disgust in his face as he looked at my pedals. He then berrated another little green man. From this conversation I heard them say, "But they looked like Look pedals from far away! I thought he was riding Look pedals!" The boss, apparently, said "You idiot! We are looking to complete our records on everyone who rides French equipment. This is not French!" As they jumped back in the van,I heard the man in the cowboy hat yell out a "Yee-hah!" as they drove away. I looked at my pedals and have never, ever, in my life, been more happy to have purchased Japanese.
So, please Mr. Snakebit, who is the crazy one now? No conspiracy, go sell that somewhere else. That dog don't hunt here!

...cow chips.My god i hope you are not stupid enough to actually buy into that garbage.Bush is a flacid East Coast educated tough guy wannabe.

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excellent post. i will now observe a minute of silence in honor of our presidnt.

excellent post. i will now observe a minute of silence in honor of our presidnt.
Yeah, I'm a goddamn puddle of tears.

Pictures and all, I hope you enjoy it.
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I thought the "man" Bush was trying to get was Osama. Anyone rememeber hm?

Oh to be young and ignorant.

Hollywood elite playing made up roles, in others words, fake. I guess that perfectly suits George, playing a fictional role, scripted by someone else.

Cowboys were created in the 1800's to sell pulp fiction to Easterners. The American Cowboy was created by East coast publishers and the whole thing went from there to the movies, music and media.

The media romaticized the cowboy into something that has no bearing to what it really was. A bunch of post war folks that couldn't get a job doing nothing else other than following a heard of filthy beasts around the prarielands. Once the railroads pushed a little further West the days of the real cowboys and massive cattle drives were over. It only lasted about a dozen years and cowboys were a simple cross section of america that were getting used and abused by the cattle barrons they were working for.



Hollywood elite playing made up roles, in others words, fake. I guess that perfectly suits George, playing a fictional role, scripted by someone else.

Cowboys were created in the 1800's to sell pulp fiction to Easterners. The American Cowboy was created by East coast publishers and the whole thing went from there to the movies, music and media.

The media romaticized the cowboy into something that has no bearing to what it really was. A bunch of post war folks that couldn't get a job doing nothing else other than following a heard of filthy beasts around the prarielands. Once the railroads pushed a little further West the days of the real cowboys and massive cattle drives were over. It only lasted about a dozen years and cowboys were a simple cross section of america that were getting used and abused by the cattle barrons they were working for.
Cowboys exist even today. The King Ranch has many of them in South Texas, they are mostly Mexican vaquerros but I have seen them myself. Horses, saddles, hats and even pistols. The media may have romanticised them, just as they have done for those east coast gangsters, but both were and remain real. George spent his formative years in Midland Texas and now has a ranch in Crawford Texas. The hat is real, it is not an affectation. That is who he is away from Washington. Check out his belt on his casual clothes...western. He's a real cowboy with the cowboy mentality. You should be as proud as I am. Some of those other movie guys were actually cowboys in their own right, Gary Cooper for one. There were character actors and even stars that were actually experienced cowboys. Ben Johnson came to Hollywood as a wrangler with horses for the industry and stayed on to become a pretty well known actor. Slim Pickins was another that followed a similar route.

Just about as good as red skinsuit man.... or your avg. chimp

image courtesy of AJS

I was going to comment that Snakebit's cowboy hat link was the stupidest thing I'd ever seen on the internet, until you posted that chimp picture.

It's truly sad how ideological tribalism is making fools of everyone.

I was going to comment that Snakebit's cowboy hat link was the stupidest thing I'd ever seen on the internet, until you posted that chimp picture.

It's truly sad how ideological tribalism is making fools of everyone.
Stupidest thing you've seen on the internet? My goodness, you're new arouind here aintcha?

Slim Pickins was another that followed a similar route.

Comparing the president to Slim Pickins? I think that is the internet equivalent of a "kick me" sign. Grenaaaade!

Cowboys were created in the 1800's to sell pulp fiction to Easterners. The American Cowboy was created by East coast publishers and the whole thing went from there to the movies, music and media.

Yeah, wasn't it that Louis L'amour fella? Wait a minute, that name, it sounds so-so-FRENCH!!! I'm beginning to think there is a connection somewhere...

Deek

Comparing the president to Slim Pickins? I think that is the internet equivalent of a "kick me" sign. Grenaaaade!
Slim was a real cowboy and a better man than you. The President is more like Clint Eastwood, or John Wayne....Maybe a combination of both.

Slim was a real cowboy and a better man than you. The President is more like Clint Eastwood, or John Wayne....Maybe a combination of both.

actually more like Elmer Fudd

The root word for befuddled is fudd, and the prefix for fudd is Elmer

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The one from the Village People.

The one from the Village People.

no, i think thats imus.

Cowboys were created in the 1800's to sell pulp fiction to Easterners. The American Cowboy was created by East coast publishers and the whole thing went from there to the movies, music and media.

The media romaticized the cowboy into something that has no bearing to what it really was. A bunch of post war folks that couldn't get a job doing nothing else other than following a heard of filthy beasts around the prarielands. Once the railroads pushed a little further West the days of the real cowboys and massive cattle drives were over. It only lasted about a dozen years and cowboys were a simple cross section of america that were getting used and abused by the cattle barrons they were working for.

I was mountain biking a few months ago near Fresno and had to alter my route when I came up against 2 guys on horses hearding cattle down to a corral. Sure looked like cowboys to me.

Sure, they have been romanticized, but they are very real. Everything is romanticized, though. Practicing law ain't exactly Perry Mason, winning every case with some poor sap shouting out a confession in court.

yup draft dodging spoiled little wimps who dress up like tough guys.
I thought all that tough guy role playing was exclusive to the gay community

if you are attracted to cowboys?

are you just closet Log Cabin-ers?

or is your own personal male-ness so low you gravitate to archtypal male figures?

or (not so) hilarious mass hypnosis? Denial. Delusion.

They were never looking for trouble.

But when trouble came, they faced it with courage.

They were always on the side of right.

They defended good people against bad people.

They had high morals.

They had good manners.

They were honest.

They spoke their minds and they spoke the truth, regardless of what people thought or "political correctness," which no one had ever heard of back then.

They were a beacon of integrity in the wild, wild West

They were respected. When they walked into a saloon (where they usually drank only sarsaparilla), the place became quiet, and the bad guys kept their distance.

If in a gunfight, they could outdraw anyone. If in a fist fight, they could beat up anyone.

They always won. They always got their man. In victory, they rode off into the sunset.
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if you are attracted to cowboys?

are you just closet Log Cabin-ers?

or is your own personal male-ness so low you gravitate to archtypal male figures?

Does gay-bashing make you feel big?

you are confusing gay bashing with CON bashing. calling someone a closet homosexual is not bashing gays. Remember elvis we libs actually like gays and approve of them coming out of the closet.

signed Married with a Kid and living in a Gayborhood and not the least bit worried my daughters two 'butch aunts' will convert her.


but Sorelian is right, ya'll just ripe for some nice mythology.

you are confusing gay bashing with CON bashing. calling someone a closet homosexual is not bashing gays. Remember elvis we libs actually like gays and approve of them coming out of the closet.

signed Married with a Kid and living in a Gayborhood and not the least bit worried my daughters two 'butch aunts' will convert her.


but Sorelian is right, ya'll just ripe for some nice mythology.

Oh, how sensitive of you to use them as negative stereotypes in your bashing of others. I bet you have 'black friends' too.

Slim was a real cowboy and a better man than you. The President is more like Clint Eastwood, or John Wayne....Maybe a combination of both.

This has to be the weirdest personal attack ever. Slim Pickens is a better man than me. I assume you have some insight on Slim, what about me? I could have stayed on the farm and maybe pursued a career in the movies, I am at least as good looking as Slim. I have been serving my country since 1985 and have been in every war since then including the unpopular ones. Yup, Slim is a better man.

One of my favorite Slim Pickin's bits was him riding the A bomb down out of the chute of a B-52 in a manic rage in Dr. Strangelove. I could see the prez doing something like that.

Yee Haaa gitty up cowboy

Comparing the president to Slim Pickins? I think that is the internet equivalent of a "kick me" sign. Grenaaaade!

This has to be the weirdest personal attack ever. Slim Pickens is a better man than me. I assume you have some insight on Slim, what about me? I could have stayed on the farm and maybe pursued a career in the movies, I am at least as good looking as Slim. I have been serving my country since 1985 and have been in every war since then including the unpopular ones. Yup, Slim is a better man.

Well according to our esteemed collegue Mr. Snakebit you would have been of better service to our country had you pursued a career in cinema especially if you look as good a Slim. Do you look manly in a ten gallon? How's your swagger? Well when you get out
( if you are not already) there is still time to do your country proud. I know an agent up there in Hollyweird that might be interested.

Jeez, Snake that was one of the top five dumb posts of all time. Any other gems/ turds you want to dump today?

Snakebit,

Long time listener, first time caller. Been watching the threads for a while. Snakebit, please don't tell me that there is nothing to worry about. Only those who are uneducated have nothing to worry about. We know what's going on and before long the whole world will too. A president with a cowboy hat, come on! How does that make him look? Very scarey, let me tell you! Just the other day while on a training ride I noticed a black van pull out from a sidestreet and begin to follow me. No conspiracy? Puh-lease! Go tell that to someone who does not have the education I have. I kept looking in my little rear view mirror I have attached to my helmet. Those are pretty cool little things aren't they? Anyway, this black van matched me turn for turn. When I ran the red light, they ran the red light. After a while, and a couple of quick turns and sprints, I finally lost them. Then I heard the unmistakable whoomp, whoomp, whoomp, whoomp. It was one of those black helicopters circling above. They must have called in reinforcement!
I jumped out from behind the dumpster, and took off. I made a left turn then, as I made a right, I noticed that very same black van around the corner. They were too close. I laid the bike down and slid just beneath the passenger doors. Just as I realized what was happening I looked up and saw an image from the front passenger window. The window rolled down about 1/4 of the way. The person I saw in the front passenger seat was wearing a cowboy hat and smoking a cigar!
Just as I looked up to get a better look at the passenger, the doors opened and these little green men all jumped out and surrounded me! I didn't know what to do. I looked to my left, I looked to my right, I looked up. Everywhere I looked there were hundreds of little green men with big heads. I raised my hands to surrender just as the first little man walked up to my bike. I could see disgust in his face as he looked at my pedals. He then berrated another little green man. From this conversation I heard them say, "But they looked like Look pedals from far away! I thought he was riding Look pedals!" The boss, apparently, said "You idiot! We are looking to complete our records on everyone who rides French equipment. This is not French!" As they jumped back in the van,I heard the man in the cowboy hat yell out a "Yee-hah!" as they drove away. I looked at my pedals and have never, ever, in my life, been more happy to have purchased Japanese.
So, please Mr. Snakebit, who is the crazy one now? No conspiracy, go sell that somewhere else. That dog don't hunt here!


Also I'd compare Bush with "Destry Rides Again." Why do the so-called Bush haters keep underestimating him to their detriment. Just can't help themselves I guess.

Oh, how sensitive of you to use them as negative stereotypes in your bashing of others. I bet you have 'black friends' too.

where's the negative stereotype?

Butch and Gayborhood are quite accepted in the gay community. when my daughter is acting tom boyish her aunts say 'look she's got some butch in her'. Butch Males in the gay community spend their time at one of the local taverns ReBar and have affinities for said 'stereotypical macho costume'.

yes, my friends are black, they only refer to themselves as African American when filling out forms.

your entire line of thought here seems out of touch. it has the same congruity as your handle.

One of my favorite Slim Pickin's bits was him riding the A bomb down out of the chute of a B-52 in a manic rage in Dr. Strangelove. I could see the prez doing something like that.

Yee Haaa gitty up cowboy
You should try to find one of his early bit parts when he was a very young man. He was one hell of a horseman. He was a stuntman early on and did trick riding.

Well according to our esteemed collegue Mr. Snakebit you would have been of better service to our country had you pursued a career in cinema especially if you look as good a Slim. Do you look manly in a ten gallon? How's your swagger? Well when you get out
( if you are not already) there is still time to do your country proud. I know an agent up there in Hollyweird that might be interested.

Jeez, Snake that was one of the top five dumb posts of all time. Any other gems/ turds you want to dump today?
I don't know man. There are some pretty heavy hitters in the dumb post competition, don't sell your self short. This was never intended to be intelligent dialogue but it has been fun, don't you think? If anyone has been offended by anything posted here, they need therapy.

Hollywood elite playing made up roles, in others words, fake. I guess that perfectly suits George, playing a fictional role, scripted by someone else.


Hollywood also has a bunch of overpaid people, with no real knowledge of real life (Hollywood scripts have suited them just fine all of their lives) who demand that people listen to them while walking behind them lifting their long coats out of puddles. Then they get very upset when real people have the gall to not believe them. Oh well! Whatever will we do? Oh wait, I know, let's call our president names, yeah that'll work. Never mind that the other side doesn't do that, but hey, we are more educated! Everybody, listen to us, we know what's best!!

Hollywood also has a bunch of overpaid people, with no real knowledge of real life (Hollywood scripts have suited them just fine all of their lives) who demand that people listen to them while walking behind them lifting their long coats out of puddles. Then they get very upset when real people have the gall to not believe them. Oh well! Whatever will we do? Oh wait, I know, let's call our president names, yeah that'll work. Never mind that the other side doesn't do that, but hey, we are more educated! Everybody, listen to us, we know what's best!!

"The other side" ... from that person of seriousness on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing...

"My only complaint is that McVeigh didn't target the New York Times building."
Ann Coulter...Time magazine covergirl.

Both sides do it. The liberals are vilified for it and the right hides behind some neanderthal machismo like it is expected of them, even with their chainsmoking, anorexic, God does she need a sammich, LCD polemicists.

"The other side" ... from that person of seriousness on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing...

"My only complaint is that McVeigh didn't target the New York Times building."
Ann Coulter...Time magazine covergirl.

Both sides do it. The liberals are vilified for it and the right hides behind some neanderthal machismo like it is expected of them, even with their chainsmoking, anorexic, God does she need a sammich, LCD polemicists.
Maybe she could talk Michael Moore out of a "Sammich"

Maybe she could talk Michael Moore out of a "Sammich"

The fight the world would watch would be a capture the flag Michael Moore defending a carton of Camel non-filtered and Ann Coulter protecting a philly cheese steak. It would end in mud wrestling match, french kissing (which Ann calls freedom kissing) and some wicked dirty sex.

The fight the world would watch would be a capture the flag Michael Moore defending a carton of Camel non-filtered and Ann Coulter protecting a philly cheese steak. It would end in mud wrestling match, french kissing (which Ann calls freedom kissing) and some wicked dirty sex.

OK, I admit that I'd watch but I wouldn't pay for it. Then again I've been known to watch Elimidate so that doesn't say a whole lot.

The fight the world would watch would be a capture the flag Michael Moore defending a carton of Camel non-filtered and Ann Coulter protecting a philly cheese steak. It would end in mud wrestling match, french kissing (which Ann calls freedom kissing) and some wicked dirty sex.


And maybe we could get them to sing in front of the judges from American Idol. Man the ratings would just skyrocket! Anyway, I don't read Ann Coulter, or any other columnist for that matter so I don't know if she said that. Not saying she didn't, because more than likely she did.

That said, if that were the case, then she is completely wrong for that statement and deserves every single criticism thrown her way. I guess some people can't understand that you can't have it both ways. And to write something about wanting, wishing, or hoping for even one person to die, that jumps over the line. We are all adults and as an adult I expect much better from my fellow human beings, whatever side of the line they are on!

Practicing law ain't exactly Perry Mason, winning every case with some poor sap shouting out a confession in court.

Damn! There you go, shattering another of my illusions Doug.

Oh -- I agree, there are real cowboys, my best friend's grandpa was one, real and rodeo.

Cowboys were created in the 1800's to sell pulp fiction to Easterners. The American Cowboy was created by East coast publishers and the whole thing went from there to the movies, music and media.

The media romaticized the cowboy into something that has no bearing to what it really was. A bunch of post war folks that couldn't get a job doing nothing else other than following a heard of filthy beasts around the prarielands. Once the railroads pushed a little further West the days of the real cowboys and massive cattle drives were over. It only lasted about a dozen years and cowboys were a simple cross section of america that were getting used and abused by the cattle barrons they were working for.

Turns out that fully 1 out of 3 'cowboys' on the old wild west were.........African Americans!!! Another 1/3 were Chican/Mexicano vaquellros, ;eaving only 1/3 as white Americans-and a lot of those were German, Irish and English immigrants!!

O, BTW, the classic Stetson hat was quite a luxury item in those days, and the type of hat mostly worn by the cowboys of that time was more like the type worn by Festus Parker.

My family was a big part of western advancemwnt, and my Great-great(-great?) grandfather was a business partner of Kit Carson, many years before he became a character in pulp fiction cowboy novels. Seems that Kit was more interested in selling land than slinging guns. But the publishing business in the early 20th century made people like him into fake icons. He was always a good bull$h!t artist according to my grandmother.......

where's the negative stereotype?

Butch and Gayborhood are quite accepted in the gay community. when my daughter is acting tom boyish her aunts say 'look she's got some butch in her'. Butch Males in the gay community spend their time at one of the local taverns ReBar and have affinities for said 'stereotypical macho costume'.

yes, my friends are black, they only refer to themselves as African American when filling out forms.

your entire line of thought here seems out of touch. it has the same congruity as your handle.Rappers refer to each other as nigg**s but that does not make it ok for me to do it.

Rappers refer to each other as nigg**s but that does not make it ok for me to do it.

what the heck does that have to do with calling someone Black?

good god folks spend some time in a 'mixed community'.

Slim was a real cowboy and a better man than you. The President is more like Clint Eastwood, or John Wayne....Maybe a combination of both.


How could I have forgotten? It was John Wayne who said "Never apologize- it's a sign of weakness."

where's the negative stereotype?
Oh, boy. Let's review the series of posts above. Firstly, the conversation was about cowboys. Cowboys were cultural icons long before the 'cowboy look' was co-opted by the Village People. I applaud the person who posted the gay cowboy photo, because it was funny and non-offensive. It stood on its own in stark contrast to that ridiculously vapid link Snakebit posted.

But YOU jumped on that image and posted two, TWO, rabid attacks that were no loftier than schoolyard bully name-calling. Basically, gist of your insult was, "CONS ARE GAY."

Now, if you are as accepting and diverse in your thinking as you claim, please explain to me how calling someone gay would possibly be an insult? What is it about 'gay' that is any different, funnier, or more acceptable than, say, black, Jewish, straight, or handicapped?

My point is, just because you feel that you're in tune with the gay community, doesn't give you a free pass when it comes to insensitive remarks.

But, I'm sure that you've somehow diagnosed all conservatives as having latent homosexual urges, therefore, you were just calling them out as hypocrites. Right. How your logical acrobatics got there from 'cowboys' raises some interesting questions about you, my friend.

signed Married with a Kid and living in a Gayborhood and not the least bit worried my daughters two 'butch aunts' will convert her.
...but you're certainly secure in your manhood because you feel you have to announce to the entire forum that you're "Married with a Kid." Got it.

wow you must be from the Burbs. ... your entire line of thought here seems out of touch. it has the same congruity as your handle.
I love this. I called out your insensitivity and you respond with personal insults. I'm guessing the 'Burbs' is a bad place, and you've belittled me because you've assumed I'm from that bad place. Oh, and my nickname is dumb. You got me there. Woo woo.

Speaking of gays and cowboys...did anyone else watch queer eye last night? (I know it was a rerun but I missed its original airing)...Well this cowboy got a queer eye makeover. That's about it.../got nuthin/...but it seemed like it fit so...I am going to hit "submit reply" anyway.

How could I have forgotten? It was John Wayne who said "Never apologize- it's a sign of weakness."

It's obvious Bush is a man who doesn't learn from his mistakes. If you never acknowledge your mistakes you'll never learn from them. ZERO accountablility... Great message to send to todays youth.

Speaking of gays and cowboys...did anyone else watch queer eye last night? (I know it was a rerun but I missed its original airing)...Well this cowboy got a queer eye makeover. That's about it.../got nuthin/...but it seemed like it fit so...I am going to hit "submit reply" anyway.
Yeah I watch that show all the time. Very entertaining. That cowboy seemed a few cards short of a full deck though. Stinky house and that ugly cradle he made out of 2 wingback chairs?

I make an inferrence about Cons adopting similar imagery of macho as the homosexual community and your feathers get all in a bunch. Considering the mud slinging from your side it continually amazes me how thin your skin is.

and it wasn't only calling Cons 'ga'y, it also clearly said maybe you guys are less macho than you believe hence the reason to be attracted to macho imagery. see original 2 posts, there are 2 clearly stated reasons and the suprise that adopting macho imagery was not exclusive to the gay community. (so you missed my gist)

Now if we take in account the # of draft dodgers amongst your great hawk leaders we see evidence pointing in such directions. Your 'macho' is more a guise than real. wayne, Bush -W (not Sr), Rush, etc all avoided service but sure talk tough about warfare. So my implication #2 is pointed out by the evidence provided. So in comparison your 'machoness' has much in common with the Gay Communtiy as it is more about 'look' than substance. (Sorelian inference) Where's the insensitivity? Just basing my opinion on observation.

So then you call me a gay basher and that it makes me feel big

Originally Posted by atpjunkie
if you are attracted to cowboys?

are you just closet Log Cabin-ers? (reason one: Gay)

or is your own personal male-ness so low you gravitate to archtypal male figures?
(see not a gay issue, just a lack of true male-ness) (reason 2: Wimps)

Does gay-bashing make you feel big? (your response, though there's no gay bashing)

this shows you miss the meaning of my comment and are somewhat out of touch with the goings on of the gay community) I explain my historical position on this board
I remind you of my long history on this board. (the bit about being married, parent in a gay neighborhood, I've stated it many times in many debates about homosexuality as I don't believe it is 'catching' which many Cons do)

so then you think the terms Gayborhood and Butch are negative (I show you they are not)
you also add Black to the list.

All 3 of these assumptions by you lead me to believe that you must live in somewhat of a sequestered area. (the Burbs) as folks living in diverse neighborhoods have far better understanding of accepted terminology. No slam on living in the Burbs, just showing folks in the Burbs when debating gay or ethnic issues usually lack true experience to base their opinions upon. I find most conservative opines about conditions in poor, ethnic, gay, etc.. areas based on very little actual experience. This point is futher amplified by the retreat from the city most Middle to Upper Middle Income Caucasians and their preponderance for living behind gates armed to the teeth.Your comments add creedence to this point. I'm gonna assume you don't live in a diverse hood, correct me if I'm wrong.

I never said being gay was bad. I said Cons may have some 'issues' they may not be addressing (see above). Didn't say all Cons are latent, Log Cabiners are definitely out of the closet. what I inferred is maybe there are more that just haven't came out yet. So again, you miss the gist.

RE: your nickname. Your arguement lacks congruity, you seem to miss the point, obviously are very thin skinned on this issue but I won't go into that as you'd take it as an ad hom.
But Elvis Merckx
Elvis: Fat, drug addled pervert who lacked discipline
eddy: Disciplined bike monster, family man
unless you are playing on the contrast a la Elvis Christ and/or are making some reference to the Cult of Personality the 2 just seem at odds with each other.

All I'm saying is, name calling ain't cool. Calling people 'gay' is what high school 'tough guys' do. It isn't right when they do it; and when you do it, you drop down to their level. And, when you layer so many caveats on it [I live in a GAYborhood, yadda yadda], you sound like that same high school tough guy after one year of college. That's all I'm saying. If you want to continue to attack me based on wild assumptions, knock yourself out. Me, I'm going to light the peacepipe and hope for the best.

For the record, I'm fiscally conservative, socially liberal. My voting record includes 3 political parties. I've got a close friend who's got the hivvy. I'm a minority in my downtown office. I think Christian-bashing is just as wrong as Jew-bashing, Muslim-bashing, or InsertReligionHere-bashing. I find women of all races beautiful. I'll defend the Bill of Rights passionately -- yep, all 10 of them. And, I believe a person's race, sexual orientation, and/or religion is irrelevant to his character. I'm probably what you'd call a moderate, but it seems that anyone arguing for middle ground in this forum is labelled as an extremist.

Elvis wasn't always a fat drug addict, you know? And, Merckx isn't the man he used to be either (I met a fat, chain-smoking Merckx in the late 80s). So be careful in how you generate your assumptions. ElvisMerckx is derived from a scene in "A Sunday In Hell." When Merckx shows up in Paris that morning, he's wearing a leisure suit, coifed black hair with long sideburns, and big blinged-out sunglasses. He looked just like Elvis, ie, superstar Elvis, not bloated druggie Elvis.

so either pre fat elvis or 69 comeback in leather elvis (we could go into stereotyping here as well) ;o)

the reason I brought the inference in the first place was to draw attention to all the tough guy imagery of the party being ran by a bunch of chickenhawks. Agreed ain't cool to call anyone gay (unless you are in the hood where no one cares) but it is FUNNY to call a bunch of predominantly homophobic ultra cons who started this post that maybe they aren't as tough as they seem for either reason. it's not my leadership galavanting around in costume. ( Military Guy, Cowboy, so he's done 2 of the 5 village people already) You have to admit, male attraction to such ultra gender typing is a tad suspect.

Gayborhood is the term, not a layer of anything. Like I said where I live term is NBD as is Butch, butch is actually a compliment to the right folk.

my only Christian Bashing (besides my recent littany of Catholic Bashing) doesn't bash their faith, it bashes their involvement in the Rep. party and their actual lack of knowledge of what it really means to be a conservative. Conservatism used to be highly popular amongst the gay community as its ethos is "Government should stay out of the Individuals Lives". When the NeoCons come flying in with this Party as Arbiters of Morality crap it conflicts with true conservative thought. This is what we harp on.
So you are a moderate, good on ya, but the Cons have left you. You are the next enemy, you are the Gypsies as we Liberals are the Jews. (only using as a metaphor, no direct inference to the NeoCons being Nazis) when they are done with us, you are next on the chopping block as this attack on conservative justices has shown.

I'd join you in that peace pipe thing but I work in a company owned and operated by American Indians and it might be construed as 'insenstive'.

It was John Wayne who said "Never apologize- it's a sign of weakness."

I know several people, including myself, that think that's crap. In fact, apologizing for something you've done or said wrong is a sign of a person that's quite strong internally. These people can see when they've made a mistake and aren't afraid to admit it and correct their behavior. Even if their ego or pride gets bashed through public ridicule, they're usually tough and secure enough not to be devastated by it - and not by using some goofy pseudo-machismo.

Never apologizing for fear of being seen as "weak" is IMO a sign of low self-esteem and is in itself weak.

Even if their ego or pride gets bashed through public ridicule, they're usually tough and secure enough not to be devastated by it - and not by using some goofy pseudo-machismo.

Never apologizing for fear of being seen as "weak" is IMO a sign of low self-esteem and is in itself weak.[/QUOTE]

which is why they need to attach themselves to images of macho. they lack 'the Right Stuff' to coin a phrase

Even if their ego or pride gets bashed through public ridicule, they're usually tough and secure enough not to be devastated by it - and not by using some goofy pseudo-machismo.

Never apologizing for fear of being seen as "weak" is IMO a sign of low self-esteem and is in itself weak.

which is why they need to attach themselves to images of macho. they lack 'the Right Stuff' to coin a phrase[/QUOTE]


Tom Delay speaking to and posing with the NRA? Nah, that is too easy, fish in a barrel. I was just noticing that my saddle is not level, got to go.

I know several people, including myself, that think that's crap. In fact, apologizing for something you've done or said wrong is a sign of a person that's quite strong internally. These people can see when they've made a mistake and aren't afraid to admit it and correct their behavior. Even if their ego or pride gets bashed through public ridicule, they're usually tough and secure enough not to be devastated by it - and not by using some goofy pseudo-machismo.

Never apologizing for fear of being seen as "weak" is IMO a sign of low self-esteem and is in itself weak.


I guess it really boils down to what the definition of is, is. Hmm. Both ways again, or am I wrong? If I am, I am sincerely sorry.

I guess it really boils down to what the definition of is, is. Hmm. Both ways again, or am I wrong? If I am, I am sincerely sorry.


What, still mad about Clinton?

I wonder how many of you guys who like to make light of the cowboy influence in America fasten your SADDLES to a SEAT post?

though it takes a REAL MAN (one who is secure in his masculinity) to ride around in Lycra with shaved legs.

I know you are trying to create some subtext here but your terms are failing.

Try top gun for **** erotic subtext. All that chat about riding my tail and all, and once again aided by all that macho-esque costuming. I think it's where W got the idea for his Mission Accomplished PR stunt.

though it takes a REAL MAN (one who is secure in his masculinity) to ride around in Lycra with shaved legs.

I know you are trying to create some subtext here but your terms are failing.

Try top gun for **** erotic subtext. All that chat about riding my tail and all, and once again aided by all that macho-esque costuming. I think it's where W got the idea for his Mission Accomplished PR stunt.

Exactly correct. Which is probably why, for example, the Lyin' King couldn't admit that he crashed of his own volition while puttering around the weeds on his MTB. Was he doing his tough-guy imitation of the Duke when that happened? Maybe he should try PeeBeeYar bull-ridin' on OLN?.

Big 'he-man', is George.

Yee.

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though it takes a REAL MAN (one who is secure in his masculinity) to ride around in Lycra with shaved legs.

I know you are trying to create some subtext here but your terms are failing.

Try top gun for **** erotic subtext. All that chat about riding my tail and all, and once again aided by all that macho-esque costuming. I think it's where W got the idea for his Mission Accomplished PR stunt.
The question was do you ride a saddle or a seat? If saddle, where did that cowboyesque term come from? Where did the lycra, shaved legs comment come from? I don't ride in chaps and spurs either.

since this whole thread was on homosexual subtext, when you said saddle to seatpost
(think of the seatpost as an object) we were going down the whole macho/gay road.

but no I don't call my bike seat a saddle I call it a seat usually. But I see where you are going down the ole word etymology trail. (cowboy ref) Look I'm not slagging cowboys, grew up with a heap of them. I'm slagging guys raised in the North East and graduating from Harvard dressing up like them. Honey in my neighborhood that's called 'drag'.

Roadies by nature of their kits have to be secure in their manhood.

since this whole thread was on homosexual subtext, when you said saddle to seatpost
(think of the seatpost as an object) we were going down the whole macho/gay road.

but no I don't call my bike seat a saddle I call it a seat usually. But I see where you are going down the ole word etymology trail. (cowboy ref) Look I'm not slagging cowboys, grew up with a heap of them. I'm slagging guys raised in the North East and graduating from Harvard dressing up like them. Honey in my neighborhood that's called 'drag'.

Roadies by nature of their kits have to be secure in their manhood.
He and his wife were teens in Midland Texas. Why are you calling me honey?

since this whole thread was on homosexual subtext, when you said saddle to seatpost
(think of the seatpost as an object) we were going down the whole macho/gay road.

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Is that what this frikking thread was about. Jesus!

Now if someone could tell what the hell the omniscient PIE thing was all about...

and possibly you. I called you honey as I was coining the phrase as it would have been spoken from a Gay Person in response. Gays call dressing up Drag, not just transvestitism. Soldiers, Cowboys, whatever, just consult any of the fine Houses of New York (watch the documentary "Paris is Burning'). Anyhow back to saddles, thought about it, the saddle predates Cowboys. Methinks it twas what they called them in days of yore, Knights and all. Becuase in england it's a saddle and there aren't any cowboys there. sorry just rendered your point meaningless.

and possibly you. I called you honey as I was coining the phrase as it would have been spoken from a Gay Person in response. Gays call dressing up Drag, not just transvestitism. Soldiers, Cowboys, whatever, just consult any of the fine Houses of New York (watch the documentary "Paris is Burning'). Anyhow back to saddles, thought about it, the saddle predates Cowboys. Methinks it twas what they called them in days of yore, Knights and all. Becuase in england it's a saddle and there aren't any cowboys there. sorry just rendered your point meaningless.
Man you're getting wierd here.

been weird long as I can remember. Seriously if you think ole George dressed up like a cowboy or in his flight suit is not a made for TV wonk then Sorelian is truly the only Con who 'gets it'.
but if you were sitting in a bar with a couple a queens and images of W popped up in his cowboy outfit or his flight suit and you said "Doesn't the president look great" they'd say
"Honey that boy's in drag and doesn't know it"

but what's weird about saddle? it's Olde English so whether we call it that or not is moot.
the term does not derive from cowboys.

been weird long as I can remember. Seriously if you think ole George dressed up like a cowboy or in his flight suit is not a made for TV wonk then Sorelian is truly the only Con who 'gets it'.
but if you were sitting in a bar with a couple a queens and images of W popped up in his cowboy outfit or his flight suit and you said "Doesn't the president look great" they'd say
"Honey that boy's in drag and doesn't know it"

but what's weird about saddle? it's Olde English so whether we call it that or not is moot.
the term does not derive from cowboys.
When you mention a saddle anyplace in America, you will ellicit thoughts of cowboys, not Henry the eighth or the knignts of the round table, and the people I drink with aree more likely to address you as "Son" than "Honey".

you Ameri-centric Myopia. 'Cause what people around here think is what really matters.'
co opting things and calling them your own.....well nothing new for the extreme right.
since most cyclists I know are more europhile than ameriphile methinks they see 3 day event riding vs western.

most the people I drink with use bro or dude but you've never 'seen western' until you ride shotgun with your gay friends to Bar B Que and Line Dancing Night at Tequila Janes.

but lemme guess, you lack gay friends or knowledege thereof.

you Ameri-centric Myopia. 'Cause what people around here think is what really matters.'
co opting things and calling them your own.....well nothing new for the extreme right.
since most cyclists I know are more europhile than ameriphile methinks they see 3 day event riding vs western.

most the people I drink with use bro or dude but you've never 'seen western' until you ride shotgun with your gay friends to Bar B Que and Line Dancing Night at Tequila Janes.

but lemme guess, you lack gay friends or knowledege thereof.
Nope, no gay friends. Dude is what we'd call you too, all hat and no cattle, son.

well I'll give ya a point for the clever slag there cowpoke

dude out west is a surf expression and we don't wear hats, we still have our hair.

but yup no cattle, cowpoke out here is what fellas do cause they can't get no female types

well I'll give ya a point for the clever slag there cowpoke

dude out west is a surf expression and we don't wear hats, we still have our hair.

but yup no cattle, cowpoke out here is what fellas do cause they can't get no female types
I guess everbody needs an alternative. You fellers seem to settle for each other. Ah ain't a goin that far west, son. 'Round here it's like the military, don't ask don't tell. Our friends watch our back and we trust 'em back there. Y'alll suit ya self.

cause last I heard all ya got is steers and queers. when them fellers are watchin' yer back don't ask what their thinkin' that way they don't have to tell.

sorry, promised land out here. straights living next door to gays, whites next to blacks and everybody getting along. and no wondering who's who as it ain't no thang either way.
it'd be a bit much for you to handle.

cause last I heard all ya got is steers and queers. when them fellers are watchin' yer back don't ask what their thinkin' that way they don't have to tell.

sorry, promised land out here. straights living next door to gays, whites next to blacks and everybody getting along. and no wondering who's who as it ain't no thang either way.
it'd be a bit much for you to handle.
It's purty boad minded alright. When I wuz last there, they was burnin' some place called Watts. Done 'er agin after that OJ simpson thingamajig.

Son, it ain't too important whut mah buddy is a thankin' back thar, it's whut he's a doin' ya gotta be keerful of. Kin ya trust him when ya passes out after a party is the thang. We don't party with guys that calls us "Honey" Don't matter whut kinda hat they's a wearin'.

Maybe we should go down the list of the "Conservatives" who've been found to be...shall we say...somewhat less than wholesome in the hetero-seck-shul dept?

To wit:

~ Bill "Reach Out and Sexually Harrass Me in the Workplace" O'Reilly.
~ U.S. Representative "I Want to F*ck My Wife in a Sex Club on a Table" Ryan.
~ Rev. Jimmy "Forgive Me Lawd, For I Hath Banged an Hooker" Swaggart.
~ and let's not forget their mentor, that ominous and quasi-omnipotent former top FBI lawdog J. Edgar "Dress Me Up Funny Like a Girly-Man When I'm Home With My Queer Roomie" Hoover.

The list goes on. All seem to have had their share of pokin' cows, (and various other interesting farm animals)....

Maybe we should go down the list of the "Conservatives" who've been found to be...shall we say...somewhat less than wholesome in the hetero-seck-shul dept?

To wit:

~ Bill "Reach Out and Sexually Harrass Me in the Workplace" O'Reilly.
~ U.S. Representative "I Want to F*ck My Wife in a Sex Club on a Table" Ryan.
~ Rev. Jimmy "Forgive Me Lawd, For I Hath Banged an Hooker" Swaggart.
~ and let's not forget their mentor, that ominous and quasi-omnipotent former top FBI lawdog J. Edgar "Dress Me Up Funny Like a Girly-Man When I'm Home With My Queer Roomie" Hoover.

The list goes on. All seem to have had their share of pokin' cows, (and various other interesting farm animals)....
Just some good ol boys gettin' hooched up and chasin wimin...'cept for that Hoover guy. I don't think ANYBODY trusted him to watch their back. You forgot Clinton, he can party with them other guys and probably did. He'd be ok back there if ya kept one hand on yer wallet.

Nope. Didn't forget him, because Clinton wasn't in your camp Hoss.

BTW snake - I say we call a truce for Fri night and have a beah. What the hell - if they could stop shelling in WW I for X-mas, we can do it for less.

What say ye? Shoot, meanwhile we can go bust ass on NCD.(?)

BTW snake - I say we call a truce for Fri night and have a beah. What the hell - if they could stop shelling in WW I for X-mas, we can do it for less.

What say ye?
Good by me, we've about argued all the silly out of this one anyhow. Have a good one.

I'm good widdit - but Fri. nights only, eh? ;)

Here's mud in yer eye, ya beotch!!
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slap on a stupid hat, and some western clothes, and you too, can be a cowboy. according to snakebit.

do it long enough and people might almost forget about your prep school, ivy-league upbringing, and the fact that once, you were a cheerleader.

methinks boy george is compensating for something.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushpic25.htm

slap on a stupid hat, and some western clothes, and you too, can be a cowboy. according to snakebit.

do it long enough and people might almost forget about your prep school, ivy-league upbringing, and the fact that once, you were a cheerleader.

methinks boy george is compensating for something.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushpic25.htm
He was also a baseball player and he didn't always live in an Eastern Ivy League atmosphere. The hat don't make the man. You could put on a hat and you would still be whatever you are. To this point, I haven't seen the President in a stupid hat. I believe you must be thinking of John Kerry and that cute white suit he had on in his photo op?

By the way, the lable of cowboy didn't come from the right, it was a left wing attempt to denigrate his Texas background. What this post is about is why it was really complimentary rather than derogatory.

yeah, he's a man's man alright. a cowboy who's afraid of horses.

face it, he's an east coast elitist dandy who's playing dress-up.

funny how george has the accent, and jeb, who actually did grow up and go to school in texas, doesn't.

yeah, he's a man's man alright. a cowboy who's afraid of horses.

face it, he's an east coast elitist dandy who's playing dress-up.

funny how george has the accent, and jeb, who actually did grow up and go to school in texas, doesn't.
I think you simply want to make a judgement based on his clothing preference. He did actually go to school in Midland Texas but perhaps his prefferences and his accent came while he lived here and was in business. He really doesn't have a marked accent but he does speak simply and straight forward. I didn't call him a cowboy, as I said before, the liberals and some of the media have used that to attack him and his military actions. I find that the character traits we attribute to the American cowboy to be admirable and something to aspire to rather than derogatory.

History is full of people who were underestimated by those who judged them on superficial traits and considered themselves superior for the same superficial reasons. George Bush has been underestimated throughout his career. His dress and speech may put some of you off your game?

I think you simply want to make a judgement based on his clothing preference. He did actually go to school in Midland Texas but perhaps his prefferences and his accent came while he lived here and was in business. He really doesn't have a marked accent but he does speak simply and straight forward. I didn't call him a cowboy, as I said before, the liberals and some of the media have used that to attack him and his military actions. I find that the character traits we attribute to the American cowboy to be admirable and something to aspire to rather than derogatory.

History is full of people who were underestimated by those who judged them on superficial traits and considered themselves superior for the same superficial reasons. George Bush has been underestimated throughout his career. His dress and speech may put some of you off your game?
Perhaps you're right Snake---

maybe we haven't given Bush the attention he deserves....

Perhaps you're right Snake---

maybe we haven't given Bush the attention he deserves....
That's cute but what does it tell you about the man?

That's cute but what does it tell you about the man?
IF--

-it looks like a chicken
-smells like a chicken
-sounds like a chicken

--Then

it may very well be a chicken--unless your heads too far down a hole to even realize that there's a chicken there ;)

Slim was riding at the age of 4. He left schol at the age of 12 to join the rodeo so he had little experience actually being a cowboy and more of just playing one. He excelled at his sport and was promoted to clown before going to Hollywood.