get widespread press?

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050425/NEWS01/504250362

get widespread press?

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050425/NEWS01/504250362
the nutcases are certainly making their voices heard.

the nutcases are certainly making their voices heard.

What scares me more is all of the talk and rhetoric coming out of, especially Delay's corner, about "reigning in" the courts in the US federal system. In other words, from what I've heard him say, he believes that the courts aren't making the right decisions, and there should be something done about it, and the courts should be making the right decisions. He was talking about censuring judges and so on and possibly getting judges expelled from the bench. So I ask when the Republicans talk about constitution this and that, what about checks and balances and distribution of power?? What the heck is going on? Where are we going?

What scares me more is all of the talk and rhetoric coming out of, especially Delay's corner, about "reigning in" the courts in the US federal system. In other words, from what I've heard him say, he believes that the courts aren't making the right decisions, and there should be something done about it, and the courts should be making the right decisions. He was talking about censuring judges and so on and possibly getting judges expelled from the bench. So I ask when the Republicans talk about constitution this and that, what about checks and balances and distribution of power?? What the heck is going on? Where are we going?
Google 'Christian Reconstructionism.'

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=christian+reconstructionism&btnG=Google+Search

Scare the pants off of you when you realize these people are WINNING.

get widespread press?

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050425/NEWS01/504250362

I only heard about it on my local NPR affiliate, which has convinced itself that Bill Frist has just ended any possibility he ever had of being President, merely by sharing the stage with a religious fundamentalist. It made me wonder if this commentator had been awake for the last 10 years.

Seriously, until the Democrats get their arms around religion, they are going to have a hell of a time winning anything outside of Massachusetts and New York.

I only heard about it on my local NPR affiliate, which has convinced itself that Bill Frist has just ended any possibility he ever had of being President, merely by sharing the stage with a religious fundamentalist. It made me wonder if this commentator had been awake for the last 10 years.

Seriously, until the Democrats get their arms around religion, they are going to have a hell of a time winning anything outside of Massachusetts and New York.
That's true, 100 percent, but what does this little conclave have to do with religion? If you can find anything but a political agenda in play here, let me have it. I'm not sure repeating the mantra 'people of faith' (as in 'The horrible Democrats hate people of faith.') qualifies as anything but political speech.

Seriously, until the Democrats get their arms around religion, they are going to have a hell of a time winning anything outside of Massachusetts and New York.

Or Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and the Northeast. Oops, I forgot, your fundicon fearless leader won in a landslide.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and blame that asinine comment on the fact that it's Monday

Seriously, until the Democrats get their arms around religion, they are going to have a hell of a time winning anything outside of Massachusetts and New York.
What do they have to do? Pandering like the Repubs are already doing would seem to be too obvious.

Or Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and the Northeast. Oops, I forgot, your fundicon fearless leader won in a landslide.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and blame that asinine comment on the fact that it's Monday
I believe California was TJ's oversight. We could change our name to "The Party That Wants to be The Party of Hate, and Believes in Atheism and NO CHURCHES" and still win California. I believe that would put your other mentioned states in play, though. Just a guess.

Or Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and the Northeast. Oops, I forgot, your fundicon fearless leader won in a landslide.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and blame that asinine comment on the fact that it's Monday

Are you kidding me? Obviously, I could have listed every state that has a Democratic leaning. It wouldn't be hard. It wouldn't change my point, either.

I believe California was TJ's oversight. We could change our name to "The Party That Wants to be The Party of Hate, and Believes in Atheism and NO CHURCHES" and still win California. I believe that would put your other mentioned states in play, though. Just a guess.
Hey...if the Dems can get rid of their leader Mike Moore maybe Benny Hinn would be interested in heading up the party?

Or Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and the Northeast. Oops, I forgot, your fundicon fearless leader won in a landslide.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and blame that asinine comment on the fact that it's Monday
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What do they have to do? Pandering like the Repubs are already doing would seem to be too obvious.

I think the argument the Democrats have to make is that their political values embody Christian values, and that it is the Republicans who are, in fact, the party of immorality. It would be a pretty easy argument to make. But the Democrats are afraid of religion, so they don't go there.

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The Dems could have this big haired chica singing at the inaugural ball if they'd just find religion!

Google 'Christian Reconstructionism.'

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=christian+reconstructionism&btnG=Google+Search

Scare the pants off of you when you realize these people are WINNING.
I didn't read the link, don't need to. The thing I find more disconcerting than what you term right wing religious nut cases is the absolute refusal of the Democratic party to modify their stance to recapture some sense of sanity and balance in Washington. That those people are winning speaks volumes about your side too.

I didn't read the link, don't need to. The thing I find more disconcerting than what you term right wing religious nut cases is the absolute refusal of the Democratic party to modify their stance to recapture some sense of sanity and balance in Washington. That those people are winning speaks volumes about your side too.
Just because the loonies are taking over the asylum doesn't neccesarily make it a good thing.

I think the argument the Democrats have to make is that their political values embody Christian values, and that it is the Republicans who are, in fact, the party of immorality. It would be a pretty easy argument to make. But the Democrats are afraid of religion, so they don't go there.
The argument you mention is made CONSTANTLY. The pungent immorality of the Repub position on everything from war to the environment to tax policy to budget priorities is a Dem constant. The problem is, no one sees those things as 'religious.'

For some reason 'religious' means 'against sex and sexuality' period. It's the damndest thing. The entire 'moral values' and 'religion' debate boils down to is sex, pure and simple, and I suspect you know that.

Now ... If we'd change our name to "The Party That Wants to be The Party of Hate and Especially Hates Sex and Human Sexuality" I think we'd get somewhere.

I didn't read the link, don't need to. The thing I find more disconcerting than what you term right wing religious nut cases is the absolute refusal of the Democratic party to modify their stance to recapture some sense of sanity and balance in Washington. That those people are winning speaks volumes about your side too.
strain your brain there Snake, by entertaining a thought contardictory to what you already 'know,' so I'll forgive you.

or let them out of committee, eh boys?. More or the persecuted right crying like babies. They have only had 95 percent of their nominations approved, but if they can't get 100% they will tear down the whole system in retaliation. Of course it is perfectly o.k. to lock up nominations in committee, but a filibuster, lord no!

In reading the Chicago Tribune this morning I looked at Charles Krauthammer's piece on the filibuster. He also used the term "imperious" in describing federal judges. I guess the memo and talking points went out sometime on Saturday?

The argument you mention is made CONSTANTLY. The pungent immorality of the Repub position on everything from war to the environment to tax policy to budget priorities is a Dem constant. The problem is, no one sees those things as 'religious.'

For some reason 'religious' means 'against sex and sexuality' period. It's the damndest thing. The entire 'moral values' and 'religion' debate boils down to is sex, pure and simple, and I suspect you know that.

Now ... If we'd change our name to "The Party That Wants to be The Party of Hate and Especially Hates Sex and Human Sexuality" I think we'd get somewhere.

I think they make that point amongst themselves, but I've never seen overt advertising that backs the Democratic message with religious overtones (as is often done by Republicans).

I'd like to see, straight up, Ten Commandments-based advertising highlighting how immoral Republican policy is. We all know it would be easy to do. But the problem is that the Center of the Democratic party doesn't have the balls to do it, and Moveon.org would be downright offensive and misleading (which they wouldn't have to stoop to).

I think they make that point amongst themselves, but I've never seen overt advertising that backs the Democratic message with religious overtones (as is often done by Republicans).

I'd like to see, straight up, Ten Commandments-based advertising highlighting how immoral Republican policy is. We all know it would be easy to do. But the problem is that the Center of the Democratic party doesn't have the balls to do it, and Moveon.org would be downright offensive and misleading (which they wouldn't have to stoop to).
Well, I like the 10 Commandments idea. I'd do it in a heartbeat. But then I'm a Southron Democrat. Economic commie, socially/culturally happy to accomodate the religious folk, mainly because that's the way I live my 'real' life.

Abortion and homosexuality (and to a bit lesser extent guns) are loser positions for the Dems, and I've argued that for a decade. Until we get past those, we'll never get to the real issues, where most people agree with us.

I think the argument the Democrats have to make is that their political values embody Christian values, and that it is the Republicans who are, in fact, the party of immorality. It would be a pretty easy argument to make. But the Democrats are afraid of religion, so they don't go there.

Good point. I also think that there is a place for Christian faith in Liberal politics, but Conservative Christians are more organized these days.

Abortion and homosexuality (and to a bit lesser extent guns) are loser positions for the Dems, and I've argued that for a decade. Until we get past those, we'll never get to the real issues, where most people agree with us.

Why the Democrats hold onto those loser issues, I have no idea. They need to just completely ignore both of them, and move on with the religious debate over other issues. Let the right rail about homosexuality and abortion until the cows come home, and just sidestep the issues (Clinton coming up with Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell was a brilliant example of such sidestepping).

Why the Democrats hold onto those loser issues, I have no idea. They need to just completely ignore both of them, and move on with the religious debate over other issues. Let the right rail about homosexuality and abortion until the cows come home, and just sidestep the issues (Clinton coming up with Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell was a brilliant example of such sidestepping).
Clinton never went on and on about 'a woman's right to choose' and all that ideological crap either. He just said, 'Abortion should be safe, legal and rare,' and never got dragged into the nuts-and-bolts debate. Safe, legal and rare is where most Americans are, and they just said 'Whew' thankfully when Bill closed the door on some big national discussion.

Today, we take the bait and argue with the Repubs, which is like Lee attacking Meade on ground of Meade's choosing at Gettysburg. VERY unwise.

strain your brain there Snake, by entertaining a thought contardictory to what you already 'know,' so I'll forgive you.
What would I learn Ed? That there are goofball evangelicals? Hell, I've known that as long as you have. Most of America has always recognized that fact. What you have to ask yourself is what is it about your party that is so rejected that it makesthese nuts the logical choice? It just may be time to harvest your own nut crop.

10 out of 215 appointees. The filibuster is because Bush is trying to push forward 7 of the 10 who got denied in the first term. So they want to kill the filibuster and if so Bush would have 212 out of 215. Never satisfied, even with appointments already in landslide proportions.

Snake keeps going on about we dems needing to appeal to this type, sorry WE DON'T WANT THEM. we'll take the socially liberal fiscally conservatives whose brains still function and have been abandoned by their party.

10 out of 215 appointees. The filibuster is because Bush is trying to push forward 7 of the 10 who got denied in the first term. So they want to kill the filibuster and if so Bush would have 212 out of 215. Never satisfied, even with appointments already in landslide proportions.

Snake keeps going on about we dems needing to appeal to this type, sorry WE DON'T WANT THEM. we'll take the socially liberal fiscally conservatives whose brains still function and have been abandoned by their party.
You can take what you like. You can do absolutely nothing until you get elected.

reg'lar fokks are gonna realize siding with the American Taliban isn't really a good idea.

get widespread press?

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050425/NEWS01/504250362


All Pope Month, Shariah Republicans, Salt-stain Marys---I feel like I live among the Aztecs or something.

reg'lar fokks are gonna realize siding with the American Taliban isn't really a good idea.
Otherwise--they'll see exactly what the consequences of their choices are, methinks.

I only heard about it on my local NPR affiliate, which has convinced itself that Bill Frist has just ended any possibility he ever had of being President, merely by sharing the stage with a religious fundamentalist. It made me wonder if this commentator had been awake for the last 10 years.

Seriously, until the Democrats get their arms around religion, they are going to have a hell of a time winning anything outside of Massachusetts and New York.
...but they chose to keep it more of a personal thing and not shove it down the rest of the countries throats.The neocons want everyone to become born again. Theyr'e no better than the Islamic fundimentalists who want to spread their religion (power) all over the Middle East.

get widespread press?

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050425/NEWS01/504250362

yes, and the funniest part was the whining from the libbie PAINTY wasted that frist was speaking to churches from a church when kerry was quoting scripture, giving a sermon in a florida chuch and doing photo ops in a montana church 12 months ago. your side has the attention span of a fruit fly.

we on the left have nothing against religion.

we do have something against religious agendas in American politics.

your side has the attention span of a fruit fly.
If that's the case-then it a point of similitude on both sides--IIRC 'twas the repubs who first used the filibuster to block judicial nominations.

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get widespread press?

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050425/NEWS01/504250362
I was worried about Bush nominees until the Shiavo case. I'm less worried now. Regardless, I think the move to crush the filibuster is retarded.

we on the left have nothing against religion.

we do have something against religious agendas in American politics.

libs have no problem when its libs doing the preaching. one half of the libbys simulated outrage is the fact frist spoke from a church.

in the above post. if you are a Con and this doesn't bug you, you just prove my point the the party has been over run by vermin.

post deleted. already covered in the thread.

in the above post. if you are a Con and this doesn't bug you, you just prove my point the the party has been over run by vermin.
What Goldwater quote?