Michael Jackson not guilty.

Micheal Jackson not guilty.

Sleep over at Micheals ranch tonight to celebrate. Girls not invited. Young boys preferred.

Not surprising really given that OJ walked....

The jury went by the evidence that was presented in the courtroom. The did not decide based on inuendo and hearsay and Michael's weirdness.

Sleep over at Micheals ranch tonight to celebrate. Girls not invited. Young boys preferred.

Not surprising really given that OJ walked....

Robert Blake? Hell when you want to kill someone just go to Cali.

My faith in the system, the system where if you have enough money you get off scot free, has been affirmed.

IOKIYAR.... It's O K If You Are Rich.

Michael Jackson not guilty.

But still really, really creepy.

But still really, really creepy.
The best verdict money can buy. Until next time.

I was burning cranial fuses trying to decipher that one.

Corollary, however: rich don't mean squat if you perjure yourself to the feds, for if you do, you get 8 months making petit-fours in the pokey kitchen, complaining bitterly about the lack of Viking appliances whilst having your soon-to-be house arrest ranch redecorated.

So we should have what? One judge appointed by 'the Party' who will ensure 'justice'? I think Micheal is a whacky as anyone does, but this wasn't an LA jury and seriously, this case stank from day one. I think it is a wonderful day when the system protects someone from relentless persecution because they are different. I'm surprised some of our more left leaning members wouldn't see it the same way.

So we should have what? One judge appointed by 'the Party' who will ensure 'justice'? I think Micheal is a whacky as anyone does, but this wasn't an LA jury and seriously, this case stank from day one. I think it is a wonderful day when the system protects someone from relentless persecution because they are different. I'm surprised some of our more left leaning members wouldn't see it the same way.
Guilty or no--Would you let your kid within a mile of him? If he was truly not guilty then I'd say hurray for the system--it works. However with all the creepy stuff I've heard about him I think he likely did do some inappropriate things with kids and got away with then because it couldn't be proven in court. I suppose you think OJ didn't do it either.

Guilty or no--Would you let your kid within a mile of him? If he was truly not guilty then I'd say hurray for the system--it works. However with all the creepy stuff I've heard about him I think he likely did do some inappropriate things with kids and got away with then because it couldn't be proven in court. I suppose you think OJ didn't do it either.

I'm as suspicious because of what I've heard, read, and seen as anyone so obviously the answer to that would be no. However, I've heard and read some really horrible things about just about every politician, celebrity, wealthy elite person I can think of (see I didn't single out Bill Clinton :D ) and I wouldn't send them to the gallows over unsubstantiated claims which is exactly what has happened here.
I think OJ did it.

Michael Jackson not guilty.
...and all of the "Senior Michael Jackson legal molestation correspondents" are temporarily unemployed. Fear not-soon the media will find some other blather that's just as meaningless to go on about 24/7 to annoy us with.

no evidence whatsoever that he ever did anything. is it morally wrong for him to have his sleepovers? sure! is it illegal? nope, not in any state I believe...

Is the guy whacked out? absolutely. He's in his 40's and has the mentality of a 12 year old. Is he capable of "molestation", I doubt it. I mean, for crying out loud the guy has blonde haired WHITE children that are "his". someone PLEASE show me how this is genetically possible...

Once again, we the taxpayers are the ones that suffer because someone has a vendeta. Some whack job mother is trying to get a cash cow. This should have never gone to court based on the crap "evidence" that they had. Same thing with OJ, the DA's f'ed that one up too. Not enough to put either one away, yet they took a jury and sequestered them for a rediculous amount of time. If I was a jurror on that trial I'd want someone to pay for wasting my damn time...

However, I've heard and read some really horrible things about just about every politician, celebrity, wealthy elite person I can think of (see I didn't single out Bill Clinton :D ) and I wouldn't send them to the gallows over unsubstantiated claims which is exactly what has happened here.
Like I just heard that Bill Clinton raped Hillary.

The jury went by the evidence that was presented in the courtroom. The did not decide based on inuendo and hearsay and Michael's weirdness.

I didn't follow the case at all. I wonder how it would have turned out if I was sleeping with 12 year old black boys? I won't try it to find out either.

And how did Janet end up with a nose as messed up as his? What a family.

I mean, for crying out loud the guy has blonde haired WHITE children that are "his". someone PLEASE show me how this is genetically possible...


Most African Americans have plenty of "white" DNA in them, as a legacy of slavery. It is not unusual for two black parents who are both dark skinned to have a child that is VERY much lighter skinned than they are. On some occasions, the children are even blonde. "Recessive traits" is the term that makes it genetically possible.

Given that MJ's children were with white women (I think, I don't follow his life in general nor this trial in particular) it is not that big of a suprise that his children look like they do, even though he was relatively dark skinned/afro featured before his surgeries, procedures, and so called disease. Nor would it be a suprise if his children parented dark skinned children down the line.

On this one, I solidly get behind Stealthman. MJ may be different. He may even be "weird" to some of you suburbanites who grew up outside African-American culture or the entertainment industry, but HE'S NOT GUILTY. Of anything. He's an artist, who speaks clearly with his music. Everybody buys his recordings. How can those same people buy the evidence of some greedy mother who's trying to raise money to pay off bills for treatment to her cancerous son, and a provincial DA, who doesn't look like he's had a sex life since he got married, who raided the Jackson compound like he was a threat to national security?

The case stunk from the beginning. MJ's fans knew it. Anybody with a sex life knows the difference between being loving and supporting of kids--and pedophilia. The other kids he was supposed to have "abused" denied it. What more do you need, to convince you this is another red herring of some money grubbing peasants and publicity hound government types trying to bring down a wealthy, successful, musical icon, much loved by his fans?

Justice prevailed! The jury was dead-on right. This time the American system worked supberbly well.

and I've heard the mother's motivations and I'm not convicting him of anything but any 46 year old man sleeping in a bed with a 12 year old that isn't his own is creepy. any 46 year old man that looks at porn (sorry physical evidence, one of the only things I heard of MJ looking at pornomags , web porn with kids) or leaving pornomags in the vicinity of children is creepy. The evidence from the accusers was bad, the DA vendetta probably, he may not be guilty of 'this crime' but any of you here defending him send your kids to MJ's for an 'overnight'.

I bet he's not a Republican :D

She lived in the wrong state.

and I've heard the mother's motivations and I'm not convicting him of anything but any 46 year old man sleeping in a bed with a 12 year old that isn't his own is creepy. any 46 year old man that looks at porn (sorry physical evidence, one of the only things I heard of MJ looking at pornomags , web porn with kids) or leaving pornomags in the vicinity of children is creepy. The evidence from the accusers was bad, the DA vendetta probably, he may not be guilty of 'this crime' but any of you here defending him send your kids to MJ's for an 'overnight'.

Sexuality is a mercurial thing to diagnose. Everyone brings his or her personality quirks to sexuality, because it works not only on the physical, biological level, but also very heavily on the spiritual level. When does a sex life begin? Several years after puberty "falling in love" with another person? The first "wet dream?" At toilet training? At the mother's breast? And what is pornographic? One man's pornography is another man's art.

I would characterize MJ's relationships with those kids, based on what I've read, not as adult/manipulator/pedophile, but as an older kid, albeit a very insecure older kid, having some spiritual, loving, interaction with younger kids. Me an my brother were quite curious about my dad's Esquire mags when I was 9 or 10. By age 12, I was checking out all the older girls, my teachers, looking forward to growing old enough to date them. For this, I was made to feel guilty.

That's the whole thing with the Jackson case, and looking for pedophiliacs under every rock these days: guilt. It drives the American obsession with sex, and for that matter, pornography and drug abuse.

Somebody please tell me this: what kinds of life-long psychological scars have come about in "victims" of pedophilia? The practice is a old as civilization, only today the media holds up this "dirty laundry" to destroy the Catholic Church and now a famous rock star. Who next?

If I had a son, he would know, as my daughter did when she was 12, the difference between sincerity and creepiness. He would also know how to pull out or back off from a situation he felt threatening or uncomfortable with. From what I've read, MJ would have respected that. I would certainly not refuse to allow my kid to spend an overnight with a famous rock star at an entertainment park, with a bunch of other kids, on the grounds that I believed on hearsay evidence that the host was a dangerous pedophile. Apparently, he isn't.

There is something seriously wrong with your level of reasoning. And that was a nice way to put it.

from the numerous guys I grew up with who were molested by priests.
a) lifelong depression
b) suicide
c) f$#d up relationships
d) trust issues (lack thereof)
e) some even fell into the abused become abuser syndrome

so how's that? and I'm sorry your little sexuality lecture sounds like NAMBLA talk. every kid looks at his dad's mags (or some other dad's mags) they don't do it with some strange man. sorry 46 year old men don't sleep with children usually not even their own, especially after age 10. If an adult feels the need to share a bed with a child (even if harmless) he needs help, serious help.
sorry have lead a guilt free life about sex, porn and drug use so I'm not obsessed, I didn't follow the case and I agree it sounded a tad 'fishy' but his behavioral patterns are suspect and any parent leaving their child with them is a shite parent bordering on child endangerment. I'm an ex-musician who's seen his share but even when I was touring in my early 30's, college freshman (18 year olds) who came backstage looked 'too young' and I wouldn't dare cross that line.
It's obvious you don't have kids, you clearly don't understand the bond and the fierce protective instinct a parent has. if you did, whether MJ was convicted of this case or not you'd let your child nowhere near him, just like you wouldn't let them play near busy streets. You teach your kids right from wrong just like you teach them not to play near a busy street, sometimes accidents happen so you eliminate the risks as much as possible.

There is something seriously wrong with your level of reasoning. And that was a nice way to put it.

What? BTW, I'm also a Cultural Creative, so blast away.

Look you may claim that the prosecution didn't meet the burden of proof, but to try to make some claim that MJ was somehow the victim is ludicrous. To try to use in his defense, the idea that he was scarred as a child too, is also ludicrous. At the very least he put these kids in jeopardy. At it's worst conclusion, he harmed these children deeply.

The mother may be as unstable as MJ, but that shouldn't condemn the kid. The prosecutor made an excellent point when he stated in summation that MJ preyed on the weakest, just as predators in the jungle do. The kids parents were obviously weak. The kid was their sacrifice. That doesn't make him less guilty.

Well we have found common ground at last!

from the numerous guys I grew up with who were molested by priests.
a) lifelong depression
b) suicide
c) f$#d up relationships
d) trust issues (lack thereof)
e) some even fell into the abused become abuser syndrome

so how's that? and I'm sorry your little sexuality lecture sounds like NAMBLA talk. every kid looks at his dad's mags (or some other dad's mags) they don't do it with some strange man. sorry 46 year old men don't sleep with children usually not even their own, especially after age 10. If an adult feels the need to share a bed with a child (even if harmless) he needs help, serious help.
sorry have lead a guilt free life about sex, porn and drug use so I'm not obsessed, I didn't follow the case and I agree it sounded a tad 'fishy' but his behavioral patterns are suspect and any parent leaving their child with them is a shite parent bordering on child endangerment. I'm an ex-musician who's seen his share but even when I was touring in my early 30's, college freshman (18 year olds) who came backstage looked 'too young' and I wouldn't dare cross that line.
It's obvious you don't have kids, you clearly don't understand the bond and the fierce protective instinct a parent has. if you did, whether MJ was convicted of this case or not you'd let your child nowhere near him, just like you wouldn't let them play near busy streets. You teach your kids right from wrong just like you teach them not to play near a busy street, sometimes accidents happen so you eliminate the risks as much as possible.

I have a daughter that I raised to think for herself and take responsibility for her actions. She graduated summa cum laude from Cornell Univ., got married, and is now an analyst with a big government agency. By the time I was 12, I knew how to ride my bike 12 miles into the next suburb, and resented my parents restricting my freedom of movement. Parents who don't "let their kids go" on their own initiatives, are often, in my experience, bringing their own insecurities to the relationship, rather than strictly looking out for the kid.

If your friends victimized by priests never came to terms with their experiences, got over them, or were unable to move on, it is as much a critique of the culture of guilt than the experiences they were subjected to. In other societies, this behavior has been completely normal, as in Greece, or corrected without the heavy spiritual branding, the sense of "sinning," that Americans bring about. While I agree that pre-pubescent children can't relate to sexual encounters with adults and inevitably draw the wrong conclusions from them, mainly in America does it bring about life-long psychological debilities.

And it's still a stretch to connect any of this to what we know about MJs behavior with his guests. At least three of them had nothing but good things to say about MJ.

You were wise not to mess with minors during your musical tours, if for no other reason, to keep out of jail. I'm not trying to make fun of your point of view, just say that it is relative to American culture, and doesn't reflect universal truth about human nature, or what could be entirely healthy in another culture. This in defense of MJs "different" behavior, for which he has been exonerated by a jury.

Look you may claim that the prosecution didn't meet the burden of proof, but to try to make some claim that MJ was somehow the victim is ludicrous. To try to use in his defense, the idea that he was scarred as a child too, is also ludicrous. At the very least he put these kids in jeopardy. At it's worst conclusion, he harmed these children deeply.

The mother may be as unstable as MJ, but that shouldn't condemn the kid. The prosecutor made an excellent point when he stated in summation that MJ preyed on the weakest, just as predators in the jungle do. The kids parents were obviously weak. The kid was their sacrifice. That doesn't make him less guilty.

...of overzealous prosecutors trying to prove behavior in someone's bedroom. The sex police. It'll be you next, baby. It cost him millions of dollars and took him through four months of hell. I didn't even suggest Michael was "scarred" as a child. He was a famous celeb from when he was about 13. All I mean to suggest is that celebrity almost always brings great insecurities on the personal level. Celebs want to be accepted for who they are, not on the image they feel obliged to live up to.

The three witnesses MJ's lawyers called in to testify had nothing bad to say about MJ, so he couldn't have "harmed them deeply." His ex-wife even had nothing bad to say about him, just that he was naive, and unconcerned about "appearances" when relating to children.

Great legal flourish, that he "preyed on the weakest." Just the thing to say to prejudice the jury, but it didn't work.

The jury went by the evidence that was presented in the courtroom. The did not decide based on inuendo and hearsay and Michael's weirdness.

Doesn't mean he's innocent, they just didn't convict on the evidence.

Doesn't mean he's innocent, they just didn't convict on the evidence.
conversely, it doesn't mean he's guilty.

a jury of his peers said not guilty, so that's the only judge we are optioned for...

My faith in the system, the system where if you have enough money you get off scot free, has been affirmed.

IOKIYAR.... It's O K If You Are Rich.

Our legal system has come a long way. Wealth and fame now trump race.

Our legal system has come a long way. Wealth and fame now trump race.
Mike is white though.

Michael Jackson not guilty.

Juries can decide things on the strangest reasons. After hearing some post trial comments by the jurors, they said that when the mother was testifying she snapped her fingers at the jurors -- that really pissed them off, and that combined with them thinking she trained the kid to lie and had a financial motive, killed the case.

I can tell war stories all day long about how cases have been decided on little things that don't have much to do with the substantive evidence. Bottom line, if the jurors don't like you, you'll probably lose. There's a saying in civil trials, "Jurors take money from people they don't like and give it to those they do." The essence of that statement can apply to criminal trials, too. Trials can be as much about getting the jurors to like your client and witnesses and disliking the opponents as anything else. All I can say is that it's a good thing for him that Jackson did not testify.

and I like you rode everywhere, but that was then this is now I had a 30 mile radius at 12. when we grew up and what happens now is apples and oranges. when I was a musician the girls weren't minors, they were 18 -19 college freshmen and they looked like babies to me.
I understand your points of cultural relativism, the Greco Philosophical tradition as well as Spartan existence involved what we refer to as pedophilia, and while it produced Alexander the Great I don't believe in adult/adolescent sexual relations as kids just aren't ready for that. France is quite used to 40 year old men seducing 15 year olds and while it is accepted and thus lacks the guilt to me is just wrong. Part of the problem with the whole priest situation is the guilt associated with it, which is instilled by the institution in which the molestors reside. this is what causes the guilt besides the fatc that these predators are the ones these kids are taught to revere, trust and obey.

so once again I'm gonna take it out of context and just see. Dad and 12 year old son.

"Hi son how was the sleepover at Johnny's?"
"Cool Dad"
"How's Johnny doing?"
"Oh Johnny wasn't there, he had to go to his Grandmas so it was just me and Johnny's Dad"
"really, did ya watch the ballgame with him?"
"No, we drank some wine, looked at some porn, then went into his room and had a tickle fight, then we went to sleep"

"Son, that doesn't sound right"
"dad that's just the guilt you carry about sexuality" (Johnny's dad taught him this comeback)

If you don't call the cops or go straight over there you have serious issues.