View Full Version : Cassette mileage? (long - Campy chain cont'd)


SDizzle
07-07-2005, 10:47 AM
First, a primer. I've been running a Veloce cassette (12-23) since January, with a Wipperman chain. I assumed I'd put about three thousand miles on it, but have re-evaluated that number to be closer to six thousand. Pretty good for any chain, especially a Wipperman...and here might arise my problem.

I assumed the Wipperman was the source of noise and play (neither excessive, but always present) that I'd had in my drivetrain, but also chalked it up (possibly) to my crappy Veloce derailler (on a full Centaur system; since I built the bike for winter riding, I figured I'd trash the derailleur pretty quickly anyway). So, at several folks' suggestions, I bought a C10 chain for it. I put it all together (with the perma-pin, not the Connex link) and got it shifting flawlessly in the stand. Better than it's ever shifted, in fact. But riding it out of the driveway showed otherwise. The chain skipped like crazy under any power - not really up or down, at least not so I could tell. It just jump over the cog, and did it worst in cogs 6 and up. So I gingerly rode the bike into town and thought I'd have a professional (Vecchio's in Boulder) check it out. He put it in the stand, eff'ed with it for a minute, and said he thought it was OK, but to ride it around the block. I crossed my fingers and did as I was told, but to no avail. It still won't do anything smoothly.

Obviously, my first thought, and one that Vecchio's confirmed, was that I needed a new cassette. But after five or six thousand miles? That doesn't seem like much riding at all, and I've maintained everything meticulously - regular lubing, thorough cleaning (ie, disassembling the cassette every two or three weeks), and not particularly bad weather riding (little rain, no road salt or snow). Also, it *shows* little visible wear - the cogs don't look worn in any way (other than the norm).

First, is my cassette trashed? Second, should I rightly expect to get more than this kind of mileage from a cassette? Third, should I have changed my chain a long time ago? Thanks!

Kerry Irons
07-07-2005, 11:08 AM
Your symptoms certainly sound like a worn cassette. You should replace your chain when it reaches 0.5% elongation (1/16" in 12"). Whether your chain was more worn than that would tell the tale. If it was, then you trashed the cassette by running a worn out chain. If it was not worn that much, then it's a bit of a mystery. You say you were meticulous on maintenance, but what lube did you use? Some people keep their chain super clean, and one way to do that is to use a lube that doesn't really lube well (e.g. wax lube). Another way to keep the chain super clean is to not lube it and rely on residual lube in the links - seems illogical, but it's been done. How long a chain, cassette, or any other equipment lasts is a combination of original quality, maintenance, and conditions of use. A super strong/heavy/rough rider will wear things out a lot faster than a light/smooth/spinner. YMMV

SDizzle
07-07-2005, 11:36 AM
...than a light/smooth/spinner. YMMV

I qualify. I weigh 145-150 lbs and maintain the cadences of a reasonably experienced collegiate racer. The lube in question was 3/4 mixture of 1:3 motor oil and mineral spirits, and 1/4 White Lightning for retention. ...There might have been my problem, I guess. But I still lube my chain every one- or two-hundred miles.

For the acronym impaired, what does YMMV stand for?

Kerry Irons
07-07-2005, 04:46 PM
General terms
YMMV - your mileage may vary (along with everything else)
NM - no message
FWIW - for what it's worth
IIRC - if I recall correctly
BTW - by the way
LOL - laugh out loud
IOW - in other words
ROTFLMAO - rolling on the floor laughing my a$$ off
IMO - in my opinion
IMHO - in my HUMBLE opinion (never is humble)
OTOH - on the other hand
OOB - out of business
YMMV - your mileage may vary (along with everything else)
AFAIK - as far as I know
AFAICS - as far as I can see
AKA - also known as
DIY - do it yourself
CUL - see you later (poor abbreviation)
ROT - rule of thumb
FUBAR, SNAFU, FUJIMO, BAMF - all contain the F word
AMFYOYO - adios my friend, you're on your own (AKA Dear John letter)
WTF - what the heck
SO - significant other (spouse, companion, favorite bike) MYOB - mind your own business
TTFN - ta ta for now (bye)
KISS - keep it simple, stupid
KITA - kick in the a$$
PITA - pain in the a$$
BOHICA - bend over, here it comes again
BHAG - big hairy a$$ goal
RTFM - read the freakin' manual
FYI - for your information
POS - piece of shiite

Bike Terms
TT - top tube or time trial TTT - team time trial BCD - bolt circle diameter CR - chain ring HS - head set STA - seat tube angle HTA - head tube angle RR - road race
BB - bottom bracket
TDF - Tour de France
CTC - center to center
ST - seat tube
JRA - just riding along
OOTS - out of the saddle
TDC - top dead center (in the crank revolution)
MUT - multi use trail
OTB - off the back

Fitness terms
HR - heart rate
HRM - heart rate monitor
AT - anaerobic threshold
PR - personal record
LT - lactate threshold
BPM - beats per minute
RHR - resting heart rate
MSS - maximum steady state