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mohair_chair 08-23-2005, 06:29 AM VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson suggested on-air that American operatives assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to stop his country from becoming "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism."
"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said Monday on the Christian Broadcast Network's "The 700 Club."
"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."
Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous.
"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."
Robertson, 75, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, accused the United States of failing to act when Chavez was briefly overthrown in 2002.
Electronic pages and a message to a Robertson spokeswoman were not immediately returned Monday evening.
Venezuela is the fifth largest oil exporter and a major supplier of oil to the United States. The CIA estimates that U.S. markets absorb almost 59 percent of Venezuela's total exports.
Venezuela's government has demanded in the past that the United States crack down on Cuban and Venezuelan "terrorists" in Florida who they say are conspiring against Chavez.
Robertson has made controversial statements in the past. In October 2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to "kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
Room 1201 08-23-2005, 06:31 AM To quote my man Jerry Falwell..."and let's blow 'em all away, in the name of the Lawd"
lousylegs 08-23-2005, 06:48 AM Speaking as a fellow Christian, my whole theory about the religous right leadership would be that Jesus would treat them about the same as the money changers in the temple and give them a royal smackdown.
Dwayne Barry 08-23-2005, 06:49 AM Having read the gospels and some of the NT stuff, and several books on the "historical" Jesus I think I have a better idea than most of what Jesus was about (as far as we can tell 2000 years after the fact), much more so than most Christians who are more a product of the teachings of their church which have often evolved a long way from Jesus and the earliest Christains beliefs.
Man I wish I could by into the Jesus-thing, it would be so satisfying to know a guy like Robertson and his ilk would end up spending eternity burning in hell.
thatsmybush 08-23-2005, 07:07 AM W.t.b.t.w.s.a.d.w.j.a.
thatsmybush 08-23-2005, 07:21 AM translation?
You don't want to guess?
W.t.b.t.w.s.a.d.w.j.a.
What Two Bit Third World South American Despot Would Jesus Assassinate.
Look for these on the bumpers of SUVs in a few months.
lousylegs 08-23-2005, 07:25 AM W.t.b.t.w.s.a.d.w.j.a.
translation?
lousylegs 08-23-2005, 07:26 AM You don't want to guess?
W.t.b.t.w.s.a.d.w.j.a.
What Two Bit Third World South American Despot Would Jesus Assassinate.
Look for these on the bumpers of SUVs in a few months.
don't forget the church buses
Bocephus Jones II 08-23-2005, 07:26 AM If relatively mainstream fundies like Robertson are advocating stuff like this can you imagine what the fringe is planning?
Starliner 08-23-2005, 07:37 AM Well, I've sometimes thought the same strategy ought to be used against Bush, Cheney, and the rest of their gang. I wonder if Robertson would call me a terrorist for having such a thought.
Fixed 08-23-2005, 07:40 AM Ok, he's officially denounced by me, speaking for all the Libertarian/Republican Christian 44 Year Old Male Professional Fixed Gear Riding Cyclists in Fresno. I have unanimous support in wholeheartedly rejecting the outrageous comments.
Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."
It's NOT about the oil though, REALLY, seriously... No no, I'm not kidding, it has nothing to do with the oil, nothing does... Here's something shiny to distract you.
MR_GRUMPY 08-23-2005, 07:52 AM If Jesus won't do it, I'm sure that God will. God has been known to smite people left and right. Didn't he once kill off 99.99% of the population once ? God has a "licence to smite" all evildoers, and he's willing to use it. It's been a few thousand years since that last mass killings by God, so I think that his "smiteing finger" is getting a little twichy.
GO GET 'EM, GOD !
Bocephus Jones II 08-23-2005, 07:54 AM Well, I've sometimes thought the same strategy ought to be used against Bush, Cheney, and the rest of their gang. I wonder if Robertson would call me a terrorist for having such a thought.
Ummm...I'm guessing this post should put you on the watch list if you weren't before. Did you really believe that the FBI disbanded the Internet monitoring program Carnivore without a suitable replacement? In all seriousness it's not good to publish or say such things like this as it can garner you a visit from the SS and that's no joke.
il sogno 08-23-2005, 08:51 AM A little while ago wasn't he also praying for the death of one of the Supreme Court justices so that Bush could nominate someone to the Supreme Court? I could swear I saw some taped footage of this on TV last week.
Bocephus Jones II 08-23-2005, 08:56 AM A little while ago wasn't he also praying for the death of one of the Supreme Court justices so that Bush could nominate someone to the Supreme Court? I could swear I saw some taped footage of this on TV last week.
yup...it's in the CNN story...although Robertson disingenously says he wasn't praying for any ill to befall them--only for them to resign. Here's a link to CNN's story on this:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/index.html
NB...I believe Robertson's 700 Club was also behind the notion that you could change the weather by praying. He used this in reference to some hurricanes in Florida. Immortalized in the Husker Du song Ice Cold Ice with the line, "They say that if we pray together, we can change the weather"
Fixed 08-23-2005, 08:57 AM If Jesus won't do it, I'm sure that God will. God has been known to smite people left and right. Didn't he once kill off 99.99% of the population once ? God has a "licence to smite" all evildoers, and he's willing to use it. It's been a few thousand years since that last mass killings by God, so I think that his "smiteing finger" is getting a little twichy.
GO GET 'EM, GOD !
Don't forget that after the last big smiting, He threw in the rainbow towel, said "f it, you're on your own." We now must do our own smiting (that is, until the big crunch).
Bocephus Jones II 08-23-2005, 08:59 AM Don't forget that after the last big smiting, He threw in the rainbow towel, said "f it, you're on your own." We now must do our own smiting (that is, until the big crunch).
Isn't that what GWB thinks is in the offing? The Rapture?
bigbill 08-23-2005, 09:31 AM I don't think that smiting is in order but some plagues would be cool. My top two faves are the frogs and the firey hailstorm. The National Geographic channel could do a special on it. I never liked that part of Virginia Beach anyway. As far a Chavez goes, I think that we should send either Bruce Willis or Rudy (the retired seal/survivor guy who lives in Va Beach) to smack him around. We could make it a reality show and sell it to Fox.
MR_GRUMPY 08-23-2005, 09:41 AM You never can tell when God's gonna pick up that towel again and start given' us what fer'.
I don't understand why people pray to Jesus to help defeat their enemies. Everybody knows that Jesus is a big sissy ( with all that love, peace, and turning the other cheek, crap ). If you want some killin' done, call on God......He's the MAN.
eyebob 08-23-2005, 09:48 AM I don't think that smiting is in order but some plagues would be cool. My top two faves are the frogs and the firey hailstorm. The National Geographic channel could do a special on it. I never liked that part of Virginia Beach anyway. As far a Chavez goes, I think that we should send either Bruce Willis or Rudy (the retired seal/survivor guy who lives in Va Beach) to smack him around. We could make it a reality show and sell it to Fox.
But how to do it? I say you get a bunch of the world's despots together and put them through a Survivor-type series, only in the end, the one who survives doesn't get to "survive" he get's hunted by our assasin. That's Season 2. I can just see all these weenies doing anything that they can to get thrown off the island (as this would guarantee their real-life survival) and the poor slob who's left standing at the end goes running, beserk, into the hills as soon as his name isn't anounced. He'd be the "winner" (loser) of Non-Survivor.
BT
pedlfoot 08-23-2005, 09:53 AM You never can tell when God's gonna pick up that towel again and start given' us what fer'.
I don't understand why people pray to Jesus to help defeat their enemies. Everybody knows that Jesus is a big sissy ( with all that love, peace, and turning the other cheek, crap ). If you want some killin' done, call on God......He's the MAN.
...I always thought of Jesus as a long haired poetry writin' ,smoking pot in the back of a van in Busse Woods(Chicago suburban reference) kind of guy myself.Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Turtleherder 08-23-2005, 10:02 AM You never can tell when God's gonna pick up that towel again and start given' us what fer'.
I don't understand why people pray to Jesus to help defeat their enemies. Everybody knows that Jesus is a big sissy ( with all that love, peace, and turning the other cheek, crap ). If you want some killin' done, call on God......He's the MAN.
Sacrifices, destruction of cities ( sodom and gamora sp.), pillers of salt, genocidal floods, killing first born sons, plagues. God is one messed up mother in need of anger management!
Bocephus Jones II 08-23-2005, 10:06 AM Sacrifices, destruction of cities ( sodom and gamora sp.), pillers of salt, genocidal floods, killing first born sons, plagues. God is one messed up mother in need of anger management!
I always figured a God so insecure as to demand you believe in Him at the risk of mortal peril to your soul [even when He offers no real proof He exists] is no God I want to be worshipping.
MR_GRUMPY 08-23-2005, 10:26 AM If I was God, that's the way I would be................So Watch out !!!!
One strike, and you're out !
gregario 08-23-2005, 10:36 AM I always figured a God so insecure as to demand you believe in Him at the risk of mortal peril to your soul [even when He offers no real proof He exists] is no God I want to be worshipping.
AMEN!
Yeah, that's my idea of a good god. Believe in me or burn in unending torment. Sounds like the type of guy that kills his wife rather than give her a divorce.
Bocephus Jones II 08-23-2005, 10:49 AM If I was God, that's the way I would be................So Watch out !!!!
One strike, and you're out !
....BJII crosses Grumpy off his potential God List with a black Sharpie marker....
Room 1201 08-23-2005, 11:14 AM If I was God, that's the way I would be................So Watch out !!!!
One strike, and you're out !
Grumpy-you might just get an official endorsement from The Movement for that...Yo-Sorelian!!!...Oh, Sorelian??!!!....
Spirito 08-23-2005, 11:38 AM until now :D ;) :p :D
dude makes a lotta sense, which means none of you waisted panties would know.
ciao
pedlfoot 08-23-2005, 12:11 PM AMEN!
Yeah, that's my idea of a good god. Believe in me or burn in unending torment. Sounds like the type of guy that kills his wife rather than give her a divorce.
NMNMNMNM
MR_GRUMPY 08-23-2005, 12:21 PM Foesake all other gods and bow down before me or you will be smitten with boils and papercuts. One of my "new" plagues will be the "Plague of Crabs". The other, will be the "Plague of Limpness"
Sorelian 08-23-2005, 12:49 PM Grumpy-you might just get an official endorsement from The Movement for that...Yo-Sorelian!!!...Oh, Sorelian??!!!....
sorelian has heard your calling it started with a tinkle in his ear and then progressed to numbness in his arm shortness of breath and an ambulance ride to the emergency room for sorelian thought he was having a heart attack but it was just a cry from one of the faithful movement sorry for not being around as the basement of my mothers house flooded forcing me to evacuate for a time but sorelian is back with the powers of the movement that now runs on biodiesel and brazillian sugarcane fuel HAAAAAA!!! sorelian has also come back as comedian for we now the movement baths in the precious black gold we use it as our lubricant when we are making love to our women as for gumby he can join our movement but his avatar is frightening to sorelian it follows him around the room and makes sorelian nervous when he undressed in front of the monitor
svend 08-23-2005, 02:03 PM sorelian has heard your calling it started with a tinkle in his ear and then progressed to numbness in his arm shortness of breath and an ambulance ride to the emergency room for sorelian thought he was having a heart attack but it was just a cry from one of the faithful movement sorry for not being around as the basement of my mothers house flooded forcing me to evacuate for a time but sorelian is back with the powers of the movement that now runs on biodiesel and brazillian sugarcane fuel HAAAAAA!!! sorelian has also come back as comedian for we now the movement baths in the precious black gold we use it as our lubricant when we are making love to our women as for gumby he can join our movement but his avatar is frightening to sorelian it follows him around the room and makes sorelian nervous when he undressed in front of the monitor
sweet! missed you brother, the place has been way to serious as of late. the movement has been on the down low lately but the crickets have been banished due to allergies of some of our more sensitive brethren. all is as it should be or ever will.
svend 08-23-2005, 02:04 PM Foesake all other gods and bow down before me or you will be smitten with boils and papercuts. One of my "new" plagues will be the "Plague of Crabs". The other, will be the "Plague of Limpness"
Damn, a vengeful God of the worst sort. Plague of limpness will make locusts and death of first borns seem like childs play.
Bocephus Jones II 08-23-2005, 02:15 PM Damn, a vengeful God of the worst sort. Plague of limpness will make locusts and death of first borns seem like childs play.
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atpjunkie 08-23-2005, 05:29 PM just another example of how these FALSE prophets are leading the flock astray. I ain't gonna say it many more times. these guys are in bed with the beast and they are leading you on a path to hades, you will become the 'false believers' as prophesized in Revelations. just use the ole WWJD on em and you'd realize how frickin off course you are heading.
now personally ole JC would be pretty much bummed if he knew what the hell was going to happen to His teachings in 2000 years. I think he woulda just skipped the whole messianic gig altogether banged Mary Mag til her eyes rolled back and knocked out some kids.
ye hath been warned
vol245 08-23-2005, 06:37 PM Foesake all other gods and bow down before me or you will be smitten with boils and papercuts. One of my "new" plagues will be the "Plague of Crabs". The other, will be the "Plague of Limpness"
WWMGD?
vol245 08-23-2005, 06:39 PM Ok, he's officially denounced by me, speaking for all the Libertarian/Republican Christian 44 Year Old Male Professional Fixed Gear Riding Cyclists in Fresno. I have unanimous support in wholeheartedly rejecting the outrageous comments.
Good Doug. It must have been tough to nail them down. :D
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