George W. Bush's refusal to meet with Cindy Sheehan has galvanized the peace movement. Thank you GWB, we'll take it from here. Here's a tidbit from the Associated Press.


CRAWFORD, Texas - A woman who led an anti-war protest for nearly a month near President Bush's ranch said Tuesday that she's glad Bush never showed up to discuss her son's death in Iraq, saying the president's absence 'galvanized the peace movement.'

Cindy Sheehan's comments came as war protesters packed up their campsite near the ranch and prepared to leave Tuesday for a three-week bus tour.

"I look back on it, and I am very, very, very grateful he did not meet with me, because we have sparked and galvanized the peace movement," Sheehan told The Associated Press. "If he'd met with me, then I would have gone home, and it would have ended there."

George W. Bush's refusal to meet with Cindy Sheehan has galvanized the peace movement. Thank you GWB, we'll take it from here. Here's a tidbit from the Associated Press.


CRAWFORD, Texas - A woman who led an anti-war protest for nearly a month near President Bush's ranch said Tuesday that she's glad Bush never showed up to discuss her son's death in Iraq, saying the president's absence 'galvanized the peace movement.'

Cindy Sheehan's comments came as war protesters packed up their campsite near the ranch and prepared to leave Tuesday for a three-week bus tour.

"I look back on it, and I am very, very, very grateful he did not meet with me, because we have sparked and galvanized the peace movement," Sheehan told The Associated Press. "If he'd met with me, then I would have gone home, and it would have ended there."

I have tried to stay out of this one, but here goes. The "peace movement" is a PR managed political moment for the democrats just like the "anti-sheehan" movement is being driven by the pro-republican PR machine. When this bus tour starts, it will just be a rolling infomercial with one side blasting the president and the other side blasting them. This is not a peace movement. This is about trying to make the other side look bad. Unfortunately, to the world outside of our borders, we look ready to implode. Neither side completely speaks for the majority of Americans, but the rest of the world will never know that.

Who's Cindy Sheehan? Haven't you heard of Katrina? The media has moved on. There's some real news to report now.

I have tried to stay out of this one, but here goes. The "peace movement" is a PR managed political moment for the democrats just like the "anti-sheehan" movement is being driven by the pro-republican PR machine. When this bus tour starts, it will just be a rolling infomercial with one side blasting the president and the other side blasting them. This is not a peace movement. This is about trying to make the other side look bad. Unfortunately, to the world outside of our borders, we look ready to implode. Neither side completely speaks for the majority of Americans, but the rest of the world will never know that.

Bush could have nipped this in the bud by inviting her in for a cup of tea or something and talking to her.

Cindy Sheehan has three things she wants to discuss with Bush. It seems his handlers didn't want Bush to be confronted with Cindy Sheehan's questions on "what the noble cause was" and "if the cause is so noble, why aren't his daughters fighting for it in Iraq".

Notice how the White House has concentrated on the Sheehan issue of "please get the troops out immediately". Looks to me like Bush Administration is afraid of the other two questions.

Bush could have nipped this in the bud by inviting her in for a cup of tea or something and talking to her.

Cindy Sheehan has three things she wants to discuss with Bush. It seems his handlers didn't want Bush to be confronted with Cindy Sheehan's questions on "what the noble cause was" and "if the cause is so noble, why aren't his daughters fighting for it in Iraq".

Notice how the White House has concentrated on the Sheehan issue of "please get the troops out immediately". Looks to me like Bush Administration is afraid of the other two questions.

Bush can not talk to her. If he talks to her, he has to talk to everyone that has a question for the president. I don't like everything he does, but I wouldn't expect that he would come to the door to answer my question if I knocked.

Bush can not talk to her. If he talks to her, he has to talk to everyone that has a question for the president. I don't like everything he does, but I wouldn't expect that he would come to the door to answer my question if I knocked.

As a fellow Texan and Bush sympathizer you'd have a better chance of getting a cup of tea out of him than Cindy Sheehan did.

I have tried to stay out of this one, but here goes. The "peace movement" is a PR managed political moment for the democrats just like the "anti-sheehan" movement is being driven by the pro-republican PR machine. When this bus tour starts, it will just be a rolling infomercial with one side blasting the president and the other side blasting them. This is not a peace movement. This is about trying to make the other side look bad. Unfortunately, to the world outside of our borders, we look ready to implode. Neither side completely speaks for the majority of Americans, but the rest of the world will never know that.

That's a fair statement.

Bush can not talk to her. If he talks to her, he has to talk to everyone that has a question for the president. I don't like everything he does, but I wouldn't expect that he would come to the door to answer my question if I knocked.


That's a bit of stretch.

I have tried to stay out of this one, but here goes. The "peace movement" is a PR managed political moment for the democrats just like the "anti-sheehan" movement is being driven by the pro-republican PR machine. When this bus tour starts, it will just be a rolling infomercial with one side blasting the president and the other side blasting them. This is not a peace movement. This is about trying to make the other side look bad. Unfortunately, to the world outside of our borders, we look ready to implode. Neither side completely speaks for the majority of Americans, but the rest of the world will never know that.

So why can't the so-called peace movement be about peace instead of being some sort of PR machine? I don't get it? The anti-Sheehan thing is most definitely a pro-Republican machination. Sheehan's movement "started" out as just herself, promoting peace and wanting to meet with the Prez. It has unfortunately changed over now to something larger. I do think by and large though, that a lot of the folks wrapped up in it, the main people that is, that they are there because they belive in peace, and don't want war. Yeah, there are some on the periphery who are holding on to Sheehan because she makes for a good story, but see how many of those folks hold vigil with her in DC. Probably not many, but I think that she'll be there for awhile, even if she has to go it alone, I think she'd still be there, because it is something that she believes in, and it has nothing to do with anything else. I would wager right now, that if you took away the media exposure, the cameras, and the exposure, Sheehan would still be there asking to meet the President... She doesn't have an agenda, well, except to meet with Bush. It's not like she's running for office, or getting money for her efforts, she just wants to meet with Bush.

As to what someone else said about "then Bush would have to meet with everyone." What the hell? Is he our elected leader or not? His constituency consists of EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. Not just the ones who agree with him. He can meet with whomever he wants to. It's up to him obviously, but as we've seen in the past, this President seems to have a problem with meeting with, or talking to, or even hearing about or from anyone who disagrees with him. I wonder when the last time was he actually heard a dissenting voice around him? When did Powell leave?

So why can't the so-called peace movement be about peace instead of being some sort of PR machine? I don't get it? The anti-Sheehan thing is most definitely a pro-Republican machination. Sheehan's movement "started" out as just herself, promoting peace and wanting to meet with the Prez. It has unfortunately changed over now to something larger. I do think by and large though, that a lot of the folks wrapped up in it, the main people that is, that they are there because they belive in peace, and don't want war. Yeah, there are some on the periphery who are holding on to Sheehan because she makes for a good story, but see how many of those folks hold vigil with her in DC. Probably not many, but I think that she'll be there for awhile, even if she has to go it alone, I think she'd still be there, because it is something that she believes in, and it has nothing to do with anything else. I would wager right now, that if you took away the media exposure, the cameras, and the exposure, Sheehan would still be there asking to meet the President... She doesn't have an agenda, well, except to meet with Bush. It's not like she's running for office, or getting money for her efforts, she just wants to meet with Bush.

As to what someone else said about "then Bush would have to meet with everyone." What the hell? Is he our elected leader or not? His constituency consists of EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. Not just the ones who agree with him. He can meet with whomever he wants to. It's up to him obviously, but as we've seen in the past, this President seems to have a problem with meeting with, or talking to, or even hearing about or from anyone who disagrees with him. I wonder when the last time was he actually heard a dissenting voice around him? When did Powell leave?

I'm pretty much convinced Bush really has the following philosophy:
We're at war now, and meeting with mommy ain't gonna accomplish anything in the way of killing terrorists. And meeting with every Tom, Dick and drowned rat in Louisiana ain't gonna get the water pumped out any quicker.
Any obligation Bush had to meet with the "cattle" ended in November 2004. The subjects are granted their opportunity speak at elections. After that, they should shut up and work.
If the masses don't like what's happening to the country, they can exercise their right to speak in November of 2008 when the board of directors meet to choose the next CEO. If they want to speak with an elected official, they can attend their local city council meeting.
Running the country is hard work. How on earth is the US government supposed to get anything done on a national level if our leaders have to waste time listening to citizens yack on and on about things they know nothing about? There's a darn good reason Bush is in the White House and the citizens are not. You see, people naturally want and need someone running things for them. They want to follow someone. They want someone to protect them. If everybody knows their role and respects the system, things would go a lot smoother.

As to what someone else said about "then Bush would have to meet with everyone." What the hell? Is he our elected leader or not? His constituency consists of EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. Not just the ones who agree with him. He can meet with whomever he wants to. It's up to him obviously, but as we've seen in the past, this President seems to have a problem with meeting with, or talking to, or even hearing about or from anyone who disagrees with him. I wonder when the last time was he actually heard a dissenting voice around him? When did Powell leave?

Hey, Clinton's got a little extra time on his hand. It's not like he's running the country anymore. He's still getting paid by our tax dollars. Maybe he will answer my question: Why didn't you take care of the terrorist threat before we were attacked on 9/11?

Now truthfully, do you think he's going to meet with me? Will sitting outside his home with media help? I really don't think so. In fact, I would expect the police to haul me off for stalking.

Bush can not talk to her. If he talks to her, he has to talk to everyone that has a question for the president. I don't like everything he does, but I wouldn't expect that he would come to the door to answer my question if I knocked.

It's encouraging to know that our opposition is as ignorant as you. BTW, since you asked who she was, she's the person you've been talking about in this thread. Need another hint?

It's encouraging to know that our opposition is as ignorant as you. BTW, since you asked who she was, she's the person you've been talking about in this thread. Need another hint?

That's your come back? Certainly you can do better than that.

Tell, me ... don't you have a question for the president? I think we would all have something to say to him. Do you expect him to come out of his ranch and talk to you?

That's your come back? Certainly you can do better than that.

Tell, me ... don't you have a question for the president? I think we would all have something to say to him. Do you expect him to come out of his ranch and talk to you?

Lincoln used to...once a week...any of the great unwashed could come and wait in line to talk to the pres.

/I know George is no Lincoln.

Lincoln used to...once a week...any of the great unwashed could come and wait in line to talk to the pres.

/I know George is no Lincoln.

Whatever became of that Lincoln guy anyhow?

Lincoln used to...once a week...any of the great unwashed could come and wait in line to talk to the pres.

/I know George is no Lincoln.

I kind of doubt that was taking place during the Civil War, but I imagine most presidents were much more accessible 100+ years ago. So what ever became of the Lincoln guy anyhow?

I kind of doubt that was taking place during the Civil War, but I imagine most presidents were much more accessible 100+ years ago. So what ever became of the Lincoln guy anyhow?


They were called "public opinion baths" by Lincoln happened in war time (since I am sure you are astutely aware almost the entirety of his presidency was the Civil War) and happened sometimes twice a week and were open to anyone willing to stand in line to meet the president.

Doubt if you like...but it is a fact.

So why can't the so-called peace movement be about peace instead of being some sort of PR machine? Because its not. Never has been, never will be. Its about politics and Democrats regaining power. Its always about politics and power.

Yeah, there are some on the periphery who are holding on to Sheehan because she makes for a good story, The rainmakers in this thing are not on the periphery. They are the heart and soul - and checkbook - of the "peace movement".

because it is something that she believes in, and it has nothing to do with anything else. She has proven to be someone who believes that GWB is the world's worst terrorist and a tool of the Zionists. Its buried in another thread here, with links to the story, so if you'd like to look for it have at it. She is a sad, grieving and deluded individual who has been duped by people much smarter than she into advancing their political agenda. Again, think power and money.

I would wager right now, that if you took away the media exposure, the cameras, and the exposure, Sheehan would still be there asking to meet the President... She doesn't have an agenda, well, except to meet with Bush. I'll take that bet. Unfortunately, we'll never know, because once the lights go off and the cameras go away, she becomes irrelevant. Agenda? Please read some of her quotes and you'll see she has an agenda that is remarkably similar to her financiers and handlers. Its more convenient that way.

this President seems to have a problem with meeting with, or talking to, or even hearing about or from anyone who disagrees with him. He gets dissenting opinions all the time. That's why he has advisors, to tell him things he doesn't want to hear. Powell resigned at the end of the first term, in the great tradition of MOST Secs of State.

Cindy Sheehan doesn't want to have a chat, she wants to scream at the President, backed by the megaphones of her handlers and financiers. She is not the ringmaster of this circus, but a sad sideshow freak who will be cast aside fairly soon.

That's your come back? Certainly you can do better than that.

Tell, me ... don't you have a question for the president? I think we would all have something to say to him. Do you expect him to come out of his ranch and talk to you?

That's no come back. That's my reply. Since you had to ask who Cindy Sheehan was, I wouldn't expect you to decypher the difference between a reply and a come back. You post a come back when you think you've been insulted. Since I wasn't insulted, I couldn't have possibly posted a come back. That's as simply as I can make it. From here, I'll have to rely on you to do the work of catching up.

All I did was answer a queston (Who Cindy Sheehan) with an answer that reflected the intelligence of both question, and the person who asked it.

When Bush said we're going to have to make sacrifices in the war, he should realize that part of his sacrifice is being faced with, and dealing with the deaths his war caused. When he made the committment to meet the parents of dead soldiers, he should have realized the nature of the meetings would differ from other courtesy meetings such as when a championship team is invited for a quick handshake. Because the meetings involved parents of dead soldiers, he's morally obligated to treat the meetings and parents with respect and honestly answer their questions. Instead, he's viewed the meetings only in the light of how HE can benefit from them, ie-feel good photo ops.

I have no question for the president. It would be a waste of his time and mine. He has shown he's incapable or unwilling to give an honest answer. I'm someone who searches for the truth. Asking a terminally deluded person for the truth is a waste of time.

So why can't the so-called peace movement be about peace instead of being some sort of PR machine? I don't get it? The anti-Sheehan thing is most definitely a pro-Republican machination. Sheehan's movement "started" out as just herself, promoting peace and wanting to meet with the Prez. It has unfortunately changed over now to something larger. I do think by and large though, that a lot of the folks wrapped up in it, the main people that is, that they are there because they belive in peace, and don't want war. Yeah, there are some on the periphery who are holding on to Sheehan because she makes for a good story, but see how many of those folks hold vigil with her in DC. Probably not many, but I think that she'll be there for awhile, even if she has to go it alone, I think she'd still be there, because it is something that she believes in, and it has nothing to do with anything else. I would wager right now, that if you took away the media exposure, the cameras, and the exposure, Sheehan would still be there asking to meet the President... She doesn't have an agenda, well, except to meet with Bush. It's not like she's running for office, or getting money for her efforts, she just wants to meet with Bush.



Two things about this bother me. She did meet the President last year and had the opportunity to tell him what she thought. If she has something else to say now, she has the right to protest just like every other citizen. I serve daily to defend her rights. The other thing is the bus tour organizers plan to protest at Tom Delay's house. Does that mean that they will protest at Ted Kennedy's home, how about John Kerry's house, you know, the people who voted for going to war along with the republicans?

So why can't the so-called peace movement be about peace instead of being some sort of PR machine? Because its not. Never has been, never will be. Its about politics and Democrats regaining power. Its always about politics and power.

Cindy Sheehan doesn't want to have a chat, she wants to scream at the President, backed by the megaphones of her handlers and financiers. She is not the ringmaster of this circus, but a sad sideshow freak who will be cast aside fairly soon.

I'm just saying that Bush invited the circus upon by not quietly talking to her. Because of Bush's ineptitude at handling this her movement went from nothing - to the right cautiously maneuvering around her, not quite sure how to handle a grieving mother of a dead soldier - to an all out Rove-style smear campaign which you rightists seem to be quite happy to propagate.

In response to your "Democrats power grab" comment, I do not deny that there is an enormous power struggle going on over the war. As well there should be - this is important stuff here. But as far as Cindy Sheehan goes Money, she is not interested in wresting the Presidency from Bush. She's just looking for some answers.

BTW anyone want to take a stab at the two questions in the OP ("noble cause" and "twins") that the Bush Administration wish would just go away?

Two things about this bother me. She did meet the President last year and had the opportunity to tell him what she thought. If she has something else to say now, she has the right to protest just like every other citizen. I serve daily to defend her rights. The other thing is the bus tour organizers plan to protest at Tom Delay's house. Does that mean that they will protest at Ted Kennedy's home, how about John Kerry's house, you know, the people who voted for going to war along with the republicans?

Bill, the Downing Street Memo had yet to come out when she met with Bush. Also the turnstile of excuses for the war had yet to really get revved up.

As for the protests, we will leave the candlelight peace vigils at Ted Kennedy's and John Kerry's houses to the anti war Republicans. :)

BTW anyone want to take a stab at the two questions in the OP (“noble cause" and "twins") that the Bush Administration wish would just go away?

Do not, I repeat, do not invite the crickets back to PO. Man, more feathers will get ruffled etc etc.
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls".......

And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls".......
Great lyrics written by America's favorite unrepentant pothead Art Garfunkel. You'd think after being busted once he's at least wait until he got home to light up a joint.

I'm just saying that Bush invited the circus upon by not quietly talking to her. Because of Bush’s ineptitude at handling this her movement went from nothing - to the right cautiously maneuvering around her, not quite sure how to handle a grieving mother of a dead soldier - to an all out Rove-style smear campaign which you rightists seem to be quite happy to propagate.

In response to your "Democrats power grab" comment, I do not deny that there is an enormous power struggle going on over the war. As well there should be - this is important stuff here. But as far as Cindy Sheehan goes Money, she is not interested in wresting the Presidency from Bush. She’s just looking for some answers.

BTW anyone want to take a stab at the two questions in the OP (“noble cause" and "twins") that the Bush Administration wish would just go away?

You should read some of her, how shall I say it, less reasonable statements. She does not want the presidency herself, so I believe, but she certainly wants GWB out of office.

As to the "twins", I believe they are both legal adults who can make their own choices. Cindy Sheehan's son (What was his name? Isn't that what this was all about? His name seems to be conspicuous by its absence. ) was a volunteer, just like EVERY OTHER SERVICE MAN AND WOMAN IN THE MILITARY TODAY. There are no draftees, no forced enlistment. The "twins", like millions of others their age, have not chosen to enlist. It was their choice, not their fathers. And it is their right to make that choice.

The noble cause is just that - noble. You may not think so, but the spread of democracy is truly noble. Freeing millions of people from the yolk of tyranny is a worthy endeavor. Saddam HAD WMDs and used them against Iran and his own citizens. The leaders of the world all thought he still had them. Numerous declarations in the UN called on him to give them up. He had ample opportunity to show the world that he did not have them, but chose not to. The evidence was overwhelming, and virtually all credible leaders believed he possessed them. Where did they go? Hard to say, but I can imagine that the Baathists across the border might just have an idea.

I believe they are both legal adults who can make their own choices. Cindy Sheehan's son (What was his name? Isn't that what this was all about? His name seems to be conspicuous by its absence. ) .

Don't really have a dog in this hunt...but really conspicuous by its absence...the name of the place was CAMP CASEY afterall.

/Just thought you were reaching on that one. ;)

The noble cause is just that - noble. You may not think so, but the spread of democracy is truly noble. Freeing millions of people from the yolk of tyranny is a worthy endeavor. Saddam HAD WMDs and used them against Iran and his own citizens. The leaders of the world all thought he still had them. Numerous declarations in the UN called on him to give them up. He had ample opportunity to show the world that he did not have them, but chose not to. The evidence was overwhelming, and virtually all credible leaders believed he possessed them. Where did they go? Hard to say, but I can imagine that the Baathists across the border might just have an idea.

So why are the Iraqis so special that we needed to free them ahead of all the other countless millions living under despots....and why was freedom never bandied about until after all the other reasons bore out as false??? If freedom was the goal why was it NEVER mentioned until recently??? The evidence was never overwhelming but then again you probably are in the camp that Iraq was responsible for 9/11 so the word evidence is usede rather loosely.

Don't really have a dog in this hunt...but really conspicuous by its absence...the name of the place was CAMP CASEY afterall.

/Just thought you were reaching on that one. ;)

But Casey's name was never mentioned in this thread. It's not really about him.

I see you're in the "I'll hold your coat while you fight" camp. No bloody noses there.

So why can't the so-called peace movement be about peace instead of being some sort of PR machine? Because its not. Never has been, never will be. Its about politics and Democrats regaining power. Its always about politics and power.

Yeah, there are some on the periphery who are holding on to Sheehan because she makes for a good story, The rainmakers in this thing are not on the periphery. They are the heart and soul - and checkbook - of the "peace movement".

because it is something that she believes in, and it has nothing to do with anything else. She has proven to be someone who believes that GWB is the world's worst terrorist and a tool of the Zionists. Its buried in another thread here, with links to the story, so if you'd like to look for it have at it. She is a sad, grieving and deluded individual who has been duped by people much smarter than she into advancing their political agenda. Again, think power and money.

I would wager right now, that if you took away the media exposure, the cameras, and the exposure, Sheehan would still be there asking to meet the President... She doesn't have an agenda, well, except to meet with Bush. I'll take that bet. Unfortunately, we'll never know, because once the lights go off and the cameras go away, she becomes irrelevant. Agenda? Please read some of her quotes and you'll see she has an agenda that is remarkably similar to her financiers and handlers. Its more convenient that way.

this President seems to have a problem with meeting with, or talking to, or even hearing about or from anyone who disagrees with him. He gets dissenting opinions all the time. That's why he has advisors, to tell him things he doesn't want to hear. Powell resigned at the end of the first term, in the great tradition of MOST Secs of State.

Cindy Sheehan doesn't want to have a chat, she wants to scream at the President, backed by the megaphones of her handlers and financiers. She is not the ringmaster of this circus, but a sad sideshow freak who will be cast aside fairly soon.

Why do you guys find it impossible that Cindy Sheehan is all about her son, and getting her message to the President, and having him actually hear her instead of shaking her hand and moving through a room? Why does there have to be some sinister liberal agenda behind it? I don't think there was at the start of things. And like I said before, I'm willing to bet that if you took away all of the media coverage, all of the stupid Al Sharpton visits, and other things, she'd still be standing out there waiting to talk to the Prez. That's all I'm trying to say. I think she's doing this for her son, and for no other reason.

Powell resigned yes, but don't you think pressure was brought to bear by Bush because Powell was probably telling him daily that he was wrong? I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during those cabinet meetings. And what current advisors does the President have that will offer a dissenting opinion? I can't even think of one currently who wasn't a PNAC boy before W took office, or someone who hasn't been at his beck and call since he started in politics. Bush has NO dissenting voices around him, which is WHY he thinks, and I believe he actually believes this, that pretty much everything is freakin' rosy and fine in Iraq.

Bush is also the President who said something along the lines of he didn't believe in poll numbers, or didn't pay attention to them. Well... I'd be interested to see if he is watching the poll numbers now saying that his approval rating is headed downward, with no end in sight really. And what a bunch of BS anyway. A President who doesn't look at polling?? Come on... Unless this guy is really on vacation all of the time, which stands to reason. Won't work past 5 or 6 at night, probably doesn't get into the Oval Office (when he is at the White House) I bet until well after 8AM, and racks out and sleeps like a baby probably before 10PM. That's not a Commander in Chief, that's a moron who doesn't know what the hell is going on around him.

But Casey's name was never mentioned in this thread. It's not really about him.

I see you're in the "I'll hold your coat while you fight" camp. No bloody noses there.

I am in the...public figure camp. When one makes themselves a public figure, talks to the press, gets their name out...especially on an issue as divisive as this one. The slings and arrows are bound to come out. Now David Horowitz out there screaming at cameras turning beet red, while I see if the vein in his neck is going to burst (hopeful)...is going a mite bit far but...anyone in the public scene is bound to draw opinions.

She could have avoided the public figure camp... by just sitting their in quiet vigil. Shun the press the passers by. To me that would have had more effect....it would be like an ominous foreboding tone, of a mom with a lost son.

Don't really have a dog in this hunt...but really conspicuous by its absence...the name of the place was CAMP CASEY afterall.

/Just thought you were reaching on that one. ;)

What's with the / in a lot of your posts?

Never mind. Post deleted.

What's with the / in a lot of your posts?

That is on Fark meant as an aside or an internal thought that is externalized but set off lest it sound like it doesn't go with the rest of the post.

/likes to think of them as a shakespearean sololiquay.

At least you don't ask about...my overuse...of ...

They were called "public opinion baths" by Lincoln happened in war time (since I am sure you are astutely aware almost the entirety of his presidency was the Civil War) and happened sometimes twice a week and were open to anyone willing to stand in line to meet the president.

Doubt if you like...but it is a fact.

Hmm ... I don't doubt you. Just seems like he would have been shot a lot sooner.

Here's lookin' at you, kid!

OK, well, your reply was stupid. Let's look at it again:

"It's encouraging to know that our opposition is as ignorant as you. BTW, since you asked who she was, she's the person you've been talking about in this thread. Need another hint?"

I was being sarcastic by asking "Who is Cindy Sheehan. That was obvious. My point is the media has moved on. Did you really think I didn't know who she was? Did you think that telling me she's the one we've been talking about in this thread would help me know who she was? I don't think you are a total idiot. It wasn't a reply. It was a comeback ... and elementary school come back.

I do agree with you on the part about wasting your time ... so I'm done.