Hi,

are these the best wheels available? Lightweights (www.carbonsports.de/English/index.html)

I´m looking for the best ones, price is no matter.

Hi,

are these the best wheels available? Lightweights (www.carbonsports.de/English/index.html)

I´m looking for the best ones, price is no matter.

Best for what purpose? These are obviously racing only wheels, being tubulars.

If you ride them for every day use, don't forget carrying an extra 200 grams for your spare preglued tubie.

C-40- Why do you have to say this is a dumb question? Who gives you the right to decide? Here's an idea, if you don't like the topic then DON'T RESPOND!

Yes, they are the ultimate wheels. They have light deep section rims that are extremely stiff. These are the wheels that Jan and Mario as well as other pros use. In fact, they will actually pay full price for these wheels. I heard Mario bought 6 sets at one time.

Don't worry about them being tubulars. That has never been an issue for me. I train on tubulars all of the time and I never carry a spare. If you do carry a spare it's no big deal to change one. But, the fact remains that tubular tires do not flat as easily as clinchers.

"If you ride them for every day use, don't forget carrying an extra 200 grams for your spare preglued tubie"

Oh no C-40 what shall we ever do? 200 grams for a spare tubie. How much more does the equivelant clincher wheelset weigh over the Lightweights? More than 200 grams I'm sure. And how much does a spare clincher tube and tire levers weigh? Who really cares? Weight is not as big of a factor as you seem to think it is!

I train on tubulars all of the time and I never carry a spare.


Then what plans do you have when you get a flat?

I train on tubulars all of the time and I never carry a spare.


Then what plans do you have for when you get a flat?

Then what plans do you have for when you get a flat?

It's called a cell phone and it only weighs 134 grams.

It's called a cell phone and it only weighs 134 grams.


Hmmm, for 66 extra grams I'll carry a spare and be riding again in two minutes rather than waiting an hour for Momma to come find me IF she's able to take the time out.

C-40- Why do you have to say this is a dumb question? Who gives you the right to decide? Here's an idea, if you don't like the topic then DON'T RESPOND!

Yes, they are the ultimate wheels. They have light deep section rims that are extremely stiff. These are the wheels that Jan and Mario as well as other pros use. In fact, they will actually pay full price for these wheels. I heard Mario bought 6 sets at one time.

Don't worry about them being tubulars. That has never been an issue for me. I train on tubulars all of the time and I never carry a spare. If you do carry a spare it's no big deal to change one. But, the fact remains that tubular tires do not flat as easily as clinchers.

"If you ride them for every day use, don't forget carrying an extra 200 grams for your spare preglued tubie"

Oh no C-40 what shall we ever do? 200 grams for a spare tubie. How much more does the equivelant clincher wheelset weigh over the Lightweights? More than 200 grams I'm sure. And how much does a spare clincher tube and tire levers weigh? Who really cares? Weight is not as big of a factor as you seem to think it is!

I don't think C-40 is being a jerk- BEST is entirely dependent upon application- Aero, vs. lightweight, blah, blah, blah... in other words, there is no single BEST wheelset. It wasn't a personal jab

You have to be the biggest idiot without a doubt I have heard in here to date. Gee, you're gonna make a cell phone call when you flat out on a training ride, totally end your training session and then make someone else take time out from their day to come and pick you up , hopefully they live close to where you flat out. Who knows , maybe this works for you because you never cycle more than 100 yards farther away from mommy where she can see you from the front porch at all times.

Does you momma still spoon feed you your Gerber food too??? LOL

I don't think C-40 is being a jerk- BEST is entirely dependent upon application- Aero, vs. lightweight, blah, blah, blah... in other words, there is no single BEST wheelset. It wasn't a personal jab


I agree. If this guy was touring, Lightweights would not be the best wheels...

C40 is correct in asking what is his intended use.....

It's great that you have people who will wait by the phone for you every time you go out for a ride. As for me, I'm frequently 50 miles from my house on rides, and I get a flat every 2-3K miles. I can't imagine having someone sitting by the phone while I go for a 6 hour ride, and then me sitting by the side of the road for at least an hour, waiting. Your premise of riding without a spare is preposterous. It implies prevarication or not much riding, or perhaps the greatest run of dumb luck known to man.

It's great that you have people who will wait by the phone for you every time you go out for a ride.


Nawww I think he has a following car like Lance and he just phones it up with "Yeah my rear's going soft. I'll pull over next to that big tree and then I'll continue with my 5-minute int."

It's called a cell phone and it only weighs 134 grams.

If my best friend, or even my brother, called me up and then happened to mention he didn't bring the stuff necessary to fix a flat, I'd tell him to call a cab and then hang up on his ass.

This guy has got to be about fifteen.

Hmmm, for 66 extra grams I'll carry a spare and be riding again in two minutes rather than waiting an hour for Momma to come find me IF she's able to take the time out.
John Cobb and Buckaroo Bonzai have done wind tunnel tests proving that seat bags and Binda Extra toes straps interrupt the anterrior-rectal air flow. Riding without a spare can save you 2 minutes when you ride 20k's in a wind tunnel. Cell phones actually act as a parabolic, semicoherant sail, allowing the wind to push you, saving you a further two minutes.
So, now Rogue is a full FOUR minutes closer to mommy's house when he get his flat and does his Carrot Top routine.
Whose stupid now, smart guy!?

I don't think C-40 is being a jerk- BEST is entirely dependent upon application- Aero, vs. lightweight, blah, blah, blah... in other words, there is no single BEST wheelset. It wasn't a personal jab
Is your avitar graphic Cory Feldman?

Hi,

are these the best wheels available? Lightweights (www.carbonsports.de/English/index.html)

I´m looking for the best ones, price is no matter.
cubis123 joins today, just when wheel weight/aerodynaic threads are cresting. This is his the only post every by him. It's safe to assume this is the work of:

1. An unprincipled, deceitful, and unreliable person; a scoundrel or rascal.
2. One who is playfully mischievous; a scamp.
3.. A wandering beggar; a vagrant.
4. An organism, especially a plant, that shows an undesirable variation from a standard.

I couldn't quite think of a single word that fits all these descriptions.

I couldn't quite think of a single word that fits all these descriptions.


He could just be as bad as two cycling aquaintances of mine that I just happened to come across a few years ago. I came across them (separately of course) walking back towards town, both about eight miles out - pushing their bikes due to flat tires. I must add here that these two were not beginner cyclists either.

On asking the obvious question, I happened to get the same answer, which was - "Because I've never had a flat tire". The logic of which, years later, still escapes me. The fact that one of the pushers happened to be a schoolteacher made it all the more confusing. The other one somehow didn't surprise me.

One of them I couldn't help as I was riding tubulars and he wasn't. The other, I gave up my tube for. I was riding clinchers at that time. It took two weeks for that tube to be returned too. That was about thirteen and three quarter days longer than I would have taken if my sorry arse had been saved from a three hour walk in sock feet on a hot day.

I somehow doubt that any meaningful lesson was learned on those days - by anyone other than me that is.

Is your avitar graphic Cory Feldman?
Yeah- and what about YOUR avatar? Gotta a problem with that? ;)

Yeah- and what about YOUR avatar? Gotta a problem with that? ;)

What is with that? It looks like the body of John Wayne in a shirt and a jock strap. We can't swear in these forums but we have to look at that crap? We need to be able to selectively turn avatars off.

C-40- Why do you have to say this is a dumb question? Who gives you the right to decide? Here's an idea, if you don't like the topic then DON'T RESPOND!

Yes, they are the ultimate wheels. They have light deep section rims that are extremely stiff. These are the wheels that Jan and Mario as well as other pros use. In fact, they will actually pay full price for these wheels. I heard Mario bought 6 sets at one time.

Don't worry about them being tubulars. That has never been an issue for me. I train on tubulars all of the time and I never carry a spare. If you do carry a spare it's no big deal to change one. But, the fact remains that tubular tires do not flat as easily as clinchers.

"If you ride them for every day use, don't forget carrying an extra 200 grams for your spare preglued tubie"

Oh no C-40 what shall we ever do? 200 grams for a spare tubie. How much more does the equivelant clincher wheelset weigh over the Lightweights? More than 200 grams I'm sure. And how much does a spare clincher tube and tire levers weigh? Who really cares? Weight is not as big of a factor as you seem to think it is!

From the data I've seen, these wheels aren't the ultimate in anything aside from perhaps price and stiffness to weight ratio. Cosmic Carbones are significantly more aero, Reynolds Stratus have better aero to weight ratio, and take your pick of whatever low profile carbon rims are lighter.

I've seen Cipo with these wheels a couple of times....haven't seen him win anything on them (doesn't necessary mean he hasn't)...everytime he's on them it does appear he's struggling with form either physically or mentally....just an observation which also turned out to be true for MSR as well.

In all honesty I wouldn't mind owning a set myself, but in my opinion these are the most hyped up jack of all trades and master of none wheels ever.

What is with that? It looks like the body of John Wayne in a shirt and a jock strap. We can't swear in these forums but we have to look at that crap? We need to be able to selectively turn avatars off.

For your information, that not "a shirt." It's a 100% cotton sweater shirt with horizontal diamond pattern. The sweater shirt is still for sale for all those that are interested. Please see my other auctions for more great bargains on stylish mensware.

John Cobb and Buckaroo Bonzai have done wind tunnel tests proving that seat bags and Binda Extra toes straps interrupt the anterrior-rectal air flow. Riding without a spare can save you 2 minutes when you ride 20k's in a wind tunnel. Cell phones actually act as a parabolic, semicoherant sail, allowing the wind to push you, saving you a further two minutes.
So, now Rogue is a full FOUR minutes closer to mommy's house when he get his flat and does his Carrot Top routine.
Whose stupid now, smart guy!?


Ahhh jeeze. So his phone akshully SAVES him the two minutes it takes me to change the tub? And the lack of a baggie and a Binda (ahhh the memories!) saves an equal amount! I guess then this will cancel out the time it takes Momma to turn off Oprah, find her car keys, curse about me being a ****ing inconsiderate prick and put on her sneakers.

Hmmm not a bad trade-off. Now if I could find a nice shade tree and the batteries aren't dead in my mini color TV and I've got enough H²O, the hour's wait won't be too bad after all. But it's all a dream as my ol' lady can't read a bloody map to save her life.

For your information, that not "a shirt." It's a 100% cotton sweater shirt with horizontal diamond pattern.


Oh that's a shirt? I thought all along that it was a spinnaker on an America's Cup yacht. I assumed the pouch below was a sailbag for a downwind jib. Could you Paintshop across it "This is not a spinnaker; it's a shirt" to avoid confusion?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion, "best" wheels is as dumb a question as "best" frame, given no qualifiers, like intended use. The more you post, the less intelligent you appear.

"Don't worry about them being tubulars. That has never been an issue for me. I train on tubulars all of the time and I never carry a spare. If you do carry a spare it's no big deal to change one. But, the fact remains that tubular tires do not flat as easily as clinchers."

Run over some glass or a very common "goathead" thorn and that tubie will flat the same as any clincher. The top of the line clinchers have the same casing as a tubie. If you use a latex tube, the setup is identical to a tubie.

I've gone as long a 3 years without a flat, but since I moved to Denver, I've had 3 flats in only 5 months (all thorns). Now I carry two tubes, in case I get a second flat. Riding without a spare or a pump/CO2 ranks among the most newbie-ignorant things I can think of. Except for a guy who honestly forgot to put a C02 inflator in his jersey pocket, I'd let a fool with a flat and no spare walk home.

As for tubies being easy to change, what about all the hassle after you get home (if you were smart enough to carry a preglued spare)? You get to remove the spare, reglue the rim and tubie and remount it properly. Then you can spend a lot of time or money getting the old tubie fixed or toss it.

As for the weight difference, it's certainly not more than 200 grams, if you can find identical models in tubular and clincher versions.

You guys are right: I didn´t specify "best wheels".

I don´t want them for training, I want the best wheelset for racing!

I want a wheelset that is LIGHT, STIFF and AERO. I just want the best of all worlds :)

As far as I can see, Armstrong, Ullrich, Cipollini, Garzelli, Boelts, Museeuw, Zabel and many others BUY these wheels. There must be something about them....

Take a look at Spada Route Carbonio Aero's. 1094 Grams with 38 MM Full Carbon Tubular Rim, Sapim CX-Ray spokes 20/24. Although you can get some info at spadabike.com it's in Italian, contact Mark at spada-usa@earthlink.net for more info.

These are lighter than Lightweights and should be more Aero.

You guys are right: I didn´t specify "best wheels".

I don´t want them for training, I want the best wheelset for racing!

I want a wheelset that is LIGHT, STIFF and AERO. I just want the best of all worlds :)

As far as I can see, Armstrong, Ullrich, Cipollini, Garzelli, Boelts, Museeuw, Zabel and many others BUY these wheels. There must be something about them....

Thank you for confirming my suspicions. Along with "best wheels" you should have specified that this was a rhetorical question.

Oh that's a shirt? I thought all along that it was a spinnaker on an America's Cup yacht. I assumed the pouch below was a sailbag for a downwind jib. Could you Paintshop across it "This is not a spinnaker; it's a shirt" to avoid confusion?
So along with the aerodynamic physicists, we have European fashion critics among us. Just wait, you'll be begging me to sell you the last of my stock once these hit the streets of Milan. What are you, about a size 6 ; )