View Full Version : AC 420 vs Rolf Vigor vs Easton Tempest II
bots21 09-16-2005, 03:50 AM Just looking for a few opinions on these wheels. Looking for some race wheels for next year, yes lookgin toward next year already. I'll be racing mostly crits. I'm not a huge rider, 170# race weight. Just looking for a light, dependable wheelset that will be stiff enough for hard cornering. Also price is somewhat of an issue, just want the best wheel for the money, but willing to spend $850 if that is the best for the money. Thanks
Juanmoretime 09-16-2005, 05:20 AM I have a set of the Rolfs, great wheels and a team mate of mine has the Easton's which he's raced on all season without any issues. For the best price on the Rolfs contact Steve at www.bicycledoctor.net
spookyload 09-16-2005, 06:49 AM How about nimble fly wheels? They are a carbon rim with aluminum braking surface. About the same weight or lighter depending on spoke count, and are $800 from nimble direct. For a 20 spoke front 24 spoke rear, they weigh 1387g and are bomb proof.
team_sheepshead 09-16-2005, 06:53 AM I have a set of Rolf Vigors and I really dig them. This is all my perception, but they seem a little bit slower to spin up than my old Am Classics, but once up to speed they seem to stay there. I've raced them on Michelin Pro Race and Conti GP 3000 tires and the wheels seem stiff as h*ll with both types.
FWIW, I recently had a problem with my front Vigor. After five months of riding, it developed a mysterious "click-click" on each rotation, but only when clamped into a fork. My LBS and I were both stumped. I ended up having to send it back to Rolf for "adjustment." They turned it around right away.
I used to ride 2003 Am Classic 350s. Again my perception, but the fastest all-around wheels I've ever ridden. (I've ridden Bontys, Nimbles and Mike Garcia's wheels.) Great for climbing and just stiff enough for sprinting (I weigh 153#). But I could not keep them in true for more than a month at a time on crappy NY roads.
team_sheepshead 09-16-2005, 06:54 AM I can vouch for that. I have the all alum. version. As all-around wheels, they rock. And the guys at Nimble will talk your ear off with recommendations. They'll practically custom-build a set for your riding style.
How about nimble fly wheels? They are a carbon rim with aluminum braking surface. About the same weight or lighter depending on spoke count, and are $800 from nimble direct. For a 20 spoke front 24 spoke rear, they weigh 1387g and are bomb proof.
Coolhand 09-16-2005, 09:53 AM How about nimble fly wheels? They are a carbon rim with aluminum braking surface. About the same weight or lighter depending on spoke count, and are $800 from nimble direct. For a 20 spoke front 24 spoke rear, they weigh 1387g and are bomb proof.
Umm, a couple issues. 1. They are $900 now. 2. a 28mm rim is none too aero. 3. Saw only one listing for Nimble on the WW page, so the delta between claimed and real world is unknown, unlike Rolf (which weights are close).
The site looks promising though. The lack of aero is a killer for race wheels. Aero trumps minor weight differences at race speed. The Rolf Vigors are much more aero, and a better choice for race wheels. 1497 g real world proven weigh and much more aero versus a claimed 1387.
Plus this little chestnut is a bit scary for race wheels:
Extended Braking
Prolonged (5+ minutes) braking is typically associated with mountainous terrain, high speed descending or heavier riders and bicycles (recumbents, loaded bikes, Clydesdale riders and tandems). These are conditions that convert to high energy braking and demand specialty brakes and rims. High energy braking creates unusually high rim temperatures and is not recommended for our clincher composite wheels (CROSSWIND and FLY). Riding in high mountains, riding with loaded packs or any other conditions that create prolonged rim braking can result in over-heated rims. Over heated rims (150 degrees F - too hot to touch with your unprotected hand) can cause the metal and composite wheel joint to degrade or fail. If you expect prolonged braking, you should not ride our clincher composite wheel. We also advise against the use of any competitor's products that are made of combined metal and composite materials. As alternatives, consider our single metal material Spider clincher wheels, or our all composite tubular rims. Also consider disc and drum brakes which move the braking energy away from the rim.
CLINCHER MODEL COMPOSITE WHEELS (CROSSWIND AND FLY) ARE NOT FOR MOUNTAINOUS OR PROLONGED BRAKING CONDITIONS.
Go with the Rolfs, aero, good weight, clinchers and a proven product and company.
placilla 09-16-2005, 10:31 AM I just order a set of wheels from him. They came out to $350 cheaper and only about 50 grams heavier than the Rolf Elan. I should have them by next friday. Looking forward to riding them next weekend. www.oddsandendos.com
Javier
I have a set of Rolf Vigors and I really dig them. This is all my perception, but they seem a little bit slower to spin up than my old Am Classics, but once up to speed they seem to stay there. I've raced them on Michelin Pro Race and Conti GP 3000 tires and the wheels seem stiff as h*ll with both types.
FWIW, I recently had a problem with my front Vigor. After five months of riding, it developed a mysterious "click-click" on each rotation, but only when clamped into a fork. My LBS and I were both stumped. I ended up having to send it back to Rolf for "adjustment." They turned it around right away.
I used to ride 2003 Am Classic 350s. Again my perception, but the fastest all-around wheels I've ever ridden. (I've ridden Bontys, Nimbles and Mike Garcia's wheels.) Great for climbing and just stiff enough for sprinting (I weigh 153#). But I could not keep them in true for more than a month at a time on crappy NY roads.
spookyload 09-16-2005, 03:29 PM Umm, a couple issues. 1. They are $900 now. 2. a 28mm rim is none too aero. 3. Saw only one listing for Nimble on the WW page, so the delta between claimed and real world is unknown, unlike Rolf (which weights are close).
The site looks promising though. The lack of aero is a killer for race wheels. Aero trumps minor weight differences at race speed. The Rolf Vigors are much more aero, and a better choice for race wheels. 1497 g real world proven weigh and much more aero versus a claimed 1387.
Plus this little chestnut is a bit scary for race wheels:
Go with the Rolfs, aero, good weight, clinchers and a proven product and company.
The weight I listed was for the set I own. I have submitted it to WW twice and it hasn't been put up as they are swamped with listings. The carbon warning isn't just applicable to Nimble wheels BTW. They are the only ones who post it. It affects all carbon wheels. I have the clinchers, which is what I posted the weight for and they actually have aluminum braking surfaces, so it isn't a factor anyways.
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