Here's a photo of the new Silk Carbon from Interbike. No word on where they are made.

http://www.ibisbicycles.com/images/full/silk_1.jpg

http://www.ibisbicycles.com

http://www.velonews.com/tech/report/articles/8974.0.html

In this case, I consider myself fortunate that neither the 58 nor the 61 fit me particularly well!.............

It's official: China

It's official: China

Yep. :(

Here's a photo of the new Silk Carbon from Interbike. No word on where they are made.


And everyone knows, the most important thing is where a bike is made, because as everyone knows you can tell everything about a bike by its place of manufacture. Like, if it was made by a small 'merican manufacturer in the US of By God A, then it's damned good cuz there's just no way for US makers to make crap.

And everyone knows, the most important thing is where a bike is made, because as everyone knows you can tell everything about a bike by its place of manufacture. Like, if it was made by a small 'merican manufacturer in the US of By God A, then it's damned good cuz there's just no way for US makers to make crap.

another carbon road bike.. so exciting.

But what's unique about it? Where is the special sauce that made the Spanky, Sonoma, Hakkalugi cool? Wishbone seat stay, sloping top tube, clearance for no more than a 25c Continental from the looks of it... seems to be a bunch of really shiny trends glued together with cliches.

And everyone knows, the most important thing is where a bike is made, because as everyone knows you can tell everything about a bike by its place of manufacture. Like, if it was made by a small 'merican manufacturer in the US of By God A, then it's damned good cuz there's just no way for US makers to make crap.

In my case, I don't think that's the point. No one should care about the CoO, as it doesn't matter. What might matter though is that this becomes nothing more than "yet another Taiwanese CF bike" (YATCFB) which makes it nothing more than a "ME 2."

The sad thing is, every MFGR wants to get in on the CF goldrush, and if that goldrush is ultimately comprised of 99% CF bikes coming from 3 MFGRs on the island and differing only in the color and placement of the decals....well then, that's really too bad.

In my case, I was sort of hoping that the Ibis was going to be ti. Given that it's not, it might've been interesting if it was a CF bike along the lines of Calfee, Parlee or Crumpton. Although I have no doubt that the Taiwanese MFGRs are kicking out great bikes, a YATCFB Ibis is a disappointment to me. Same feeling applies to the fancily branded Deda tinker toy bikes.

And everyone knows, the most important thing is where a bike is made, because as everyone knows you can tell everything about a bike by its place of manufacture. Like, if it was made by a small 'merican manufacturer in the US of By God A, then it's damned good cuz there's just no way for US makers to make crap.

Some of us like to buy from American craftsmen, not because the product is dramatically different, but because we believe it may be beneficial to the diversity of the industry to support the smaller manufacturers and we like meeting the builder and talking about the attributes of our bike. My last 3 bikes are Co-Motion, Calfee, Tallerico.
Ibis was formerly known as a niche American manufacturer, many of us would like to have seen them come back with that same cache. That's all.

I'd buy one solely on the service and communication I've had with Ibis over the years since I owned a Mojo in college. Heck, I was so Ibis that we named our new dog "Ibis."

Yes, there are lofty expectations which were not met for this rebirth of the company (where's the ti, why not have the US flag on the frame, it's Chinese-made, etc.) but sometimes owning a bike is not about that. I'm not going to go into some passionate rant, but things called "loyalty" and "fanaticism" keeps certain riders on certain bikes, or at the very least certain bikes on certain screensavers.

In my case, I don't think that's the point. No one should care about the CoO, as it doesn't matter. What might matter though is that this becomes nothing more than "yet another Taiwanese CF bike" (YATCFB) which makes it nothing more than a "ME 2."

The sad thing is, every MFGR wants to get in on the CF goldrush, and if that goldrush is ultimately comprised of 99% CF bikes coming from 3 MFGRs on the island and differing only in the color and placement of the decals....well then, that's really too bad.

In my case, I was sort of hoping that the Ibis was going to be ti. Given that it's not, it might've been interesting if it was a CF bike along the lines of Calfee, Parlee or Crumpton. Although I have no doubt that the Taiwanese MFGRs are kicking out great bikes, a YATCFB Ibis is a disappointment to me. Same feeling applies to the fancily branded Deda tinker toy bikes.

You're right about the ME 2 bit, but that's not the message when weak brained people regurgitate something that nearly always contains "Taiwan", "China", or summat. Besides, does anyone really know who designed the bike. Is everyone oh so sure that Ibis didn't design the thing? It only makes economic sense to farm out the CF manufacturing if you don't have the skills on hand, the equipment, etc. And it may not necessarily be a case of joining some material "goldrush" but more a case of maybe generating some cash flow to maybe do what they really want in the long term. Who knows? I do think it's a bit simplisitic to think that all the CF frames are alike. People ought to apply a more critical eye. Saying they're all alike is like saying all lugged steel bikes are alike.

For you specifically Terry B, know this: The Great Mother Ship, in Steamboat, says my bike is done and should arrive in about a week. So I'll spend this week figuring out how to tell my Waterford Paramount that it's over and that she's going to have to move out.....so do you think the pink CK headset would clash w/ the tiny bit o' RWB on the Ouzo Pro Lite fork?

You're right about the ME 2 bit, but that's not the message when weak brained people regurgitate something that nearly always contains "Taiwan", "China", or summat. Besides, does anyone really know who designed the bike. Is everyone oh so sure that Ibis didn't design the thing? It only makes economic sense to farm out the CF manufacturing if you don't have the skills on hand, the equipment, etc. And it may not necessarily be a case of joining some material "goldrush" but more a case of maybe generating some cash flow to maybe do what they really want in the long term. Who knows? I do think it's a bit simplisitic to think that all the CF frames are alike. People ought to apply a more critical eye. Saying they're all alike is like saying all lugged steel bikes are alike.

For you specifically Terry B, know this: The Great Mother Ship, in Steamboat, says my bike is done and should arrive in about a week. So I'll spend this week figuring out how to tell my Waterford Paramount that it's over and that she's going to have to move out.....so do you think the pink CK headset would clash w/ the tiny bit o' RWB on the Ouzo Pro Lite fork?

Who exactly are you calling weak brained? Do you know anything about Ibis or anyone who posted in this thread, or are you just spouting off, cause you sound like a total ****ing dumbass.

Ah - a message from the mother ship. You're a lucky guy, your dreams are about to come true. And, Pink goes with just about everything. ;)

Here's an option for the Paramount - Surly Singleator, SRAM track chain, 16T BMX track cog and whatever bar, stem, wheels crank (with 42T ring, of course) lying around. I recycled my trusty Sampson into a SS last year at this time, and it's glad I did.

On the YATCFB - I agree and I'm sure that Scot Nicol did not just pick a frame off of page 32 of the Martek catalog. Personally, I have nothing against the influx of CF bikes from Asia, it's just that they're not for me. I was really jazzed when the Ibis web presence returned and now, well, I feel like I ordered a double Chantico at Starbucks and then accidentally caught a sight of them dumping Hershey's Syrup in the machine. Ah well, in the grand scheme of things, it would be great if all disappointments were this superficial.

Ah - a message from the mother ship. You're a lucky guy, your dreams are about to come true. And, Pink goes with just about everything. ;)

Here's an option for the Paramount - Surly Singleator, SRAM track chain, 16T BMX track cog and whatever bar, stem, wheels crank (with 42T ring, of course) lying around. I recycled my trusty Sampson into a SS last year at this time, and it's glad I did.

On the YATCFB - I agree and I'm sure that Scot Nicol did not just pick a frame off of page 32 of the Martek catalog. Personally, I have nothing against the influx of CF bikes from Asia, it's just that they're not for me. I was really jazzed when the Ibis web presence returned and now, well, I feel like I ordered a double Chantico at Starbucks and then accidentally caught a sight of them dumping Hershey's Syrup in the machine. Ah well, in the grand scheme of things, it would be great if all disappointments were this superficial.

I used to be anti-overseas years ago when racing mtb's, but that has all changed. I guess my only "grip" about this Chinese Ibis (heck, I was 'upset' when Ibis had their aluminum frames welded by Kinesis or whomever it was before Scot moved to Montana and before their death) is the measely 3 year warranty. $1399 is not a lot relatively speaking if you compare apples to oranges... don't compare it to something like http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/immortalforce_pre.htm because then a $1399 Chinese Ibis road frame will seem even less of a deal than that Chantico with Hersheys.

Who exactly are you calling weak brained? Do you know anything about Ibis or anyone who posted in this thread, or are you just spouting off, cause you sound like a total ****ing dumbass.

Well, you. How's that? What do you know about Ibis? Were you in on the meetings where the decision was made to make a CF bike? No? Well, I guess you're a spouter too. Enjoy your American-made, non-Taiwanese night ****ing....oh, thats against forum rules, yeah? I guess someone has thin skin.

Some of us like to buy from American craftsmen, not because the product is dramatically different, but because we believe it may be beneficial to the diversity of the industry to support the smaller manufacturers and we like meeting the builder and talking about the attributes of our bike.

Personally I don't give a damn about supporting "the diversity of the industry to support the smaller manufacturers". I look to whoever can provide what I want and Dave Kirk is near the top of that list. If, OTOH, it means Pinarello/ Taiwan, then that works too. Ibis made a killer mtb, but there's no love lost or a sense over sentimentalism here in terms of his RBs.

at least they are in the low side of the high end price range $1300ish for 2.5lbs carbon frame (does that include a fork? i think not) is not too much.
the sizing is limited, the name doesn't ring bells w/ the road but ... maybe.. it will fly. it does look like a product made from a market share viewpoint though.. that's where the lack of soul comes in..
i still think the 5in FS is a cold bet.. i see all around simple bikes as the future in MTB. surly is yrs ahead of Ibis.. the mojo feels like an ellsworth to me.

Well, you. How's that? What do you know about Ibis? Were you in on the meetings where the decision was made to make a CF bike? No? Well, I guess you're a spouter too. Enjoy your American-made, non-Taiwanese night ****ing....oh, thats against forum rules, yeah? I guess someone has thin skin.

My point was that should maybe know something about the topic or the people posting before you wander into a thread and start making inane, knee-jerk arguments and insulting people. You were clearly quite proud of yourself for your first post in this thread (which I ignored) but when it didn't garner quite the response you had hoped for, you had to start making insults--i.e. "weak brained." Check the word count before you even entered this discussion. There was no editorializing (unless you count my little :( )--it was informational only, and so anything you took away from those posts were a result of your reading something into them. Ibis has made bikes in Sebastopol, Santa Rosa and Bozeman, and farmed out production to various other vendors. After a rather spectacular exit a few years back, followed by a long silence, it was interesting (to me at least) to see how Scot was going to rebuild the company, and where his bikes were going made. The US vs. Asia argument is hackneyed and boring. I don't know much about Inda (the company who is making these new bikes) but personally, I'm disappointed to see Scot chose to manufacture his frames in a country with a poor human rights and environmental track record--but that is neither here nor there, and was not part of this thread. Everyone who posted in this thread before you owns or owned a steel Ibis from the Sebastopol or Santa Rosa days. I have several more connections to the former Nor Cal Ibis, but am not one to divulge personal info on the internet. I am also not thin skinned, and fully realize that this is the internet and all, but felt your repeated lame comments warranted some kind of response.

Maybe he needs to get the new concern going with a mainstream product? What's the probability that the "new" Ibis will or will not go back to its roots (in a limited sense) once more options open up when it can stand firmly on two feet? Its amusing how aficianado's sometimes come off like bratty selfish children.

Besides, does anyone really know who designed the bike. Is everyone oh so sure that Ibis didn't design the thing? It only makes economic sense to farm out the CF manufacturing if you don't have the skills on hand, the equipment, etc.

Designed by an American, roxy @ ibis (http://ibisbicycles.com/about/where/roxy/), from the ibis site:
Roxy Lo is the designer. She is going to make everything we do a thing of beauty. You’ll see.

Maybe he needs to get the new concern going with a mainstream product? .

I had this same thought. I'd like to see some nice, US-built ti or steel Ibis frames, but it makes sense to get things rolling with a product that 1.) has mass appeal, which these days means carbon, and 2.) has a decent profit margin, which usually means imported from Asia.

Once some money is coming in to the company, maybe then they can afford to offer some hand-built steel or ti frames, which will sell fewer units and probably at a lower profit margin. Pure speculation on my part.

I had this same thought. I'd like to see some nice, US-built ti or steel Ibis frames, but it makes sense to get things rolling with a product that 1.) has mass appeal, which these days means carbon, and 2.) has a decent profit margin, which usually means imported from Asia.

Once some money is coming in to the company, maybe then they can afford to offer some hand-built steel or ti frames, which will sell fewer units and probably at a lower profit margin. Pure speculation on my part.

They are not opposed to steel I can tell you that.