http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060221/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_energy (http://http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060221/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_energy)


Anyone catch this nugget in the news: "Bush: U.S. on Verge of Energy Breakthrough"

and

"Saying the nation is on the verge of technological breakthroughs that would "startle" most Americans, President Bush on Monday outlined his energy proposals to help wean the country off foreign oil."

If you read further, you'll see we have batteries and solar panels. If this were only the Onion...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060221/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_energy (http://http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060221/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_energy)


Anyone catch this nugget in the news: "Bush: U.S. on Verge of Energy Breakthrough"

and

"Saying the nation is on the verge of technological breakthroughs that would "startle" most Americans, President Bush on Monday outlined his energy proposals to help wean the country off foreign oil."

If you read further, you'll see we have batteries and solar panels. If this were only the Onion...



That link brings me to a Yahoo advanced search site.







joe

That link brings me to a Yahoo advanced search site.







joe
It works if you cut and paste it.

Try this (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060221/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_energy)

"The vision is this — that technology will become so efficient that you'll become a little power generator in your home, and if you don't use the energy you generate you'll be able to feed it back into the electricity grid."

I wonder what I'll plug into?





joe

Georgie poo does realise that there is no solar pannel that puts out more energy in it's lifetime than it takes to make it.... Not really a viable energy source, and I wouldn't call tech from the 70's new.


I was commenting on the way the quote is phrased. If you take in context, and assume "you'll" to mean "your home" rather than, well... "you will" then the quote makes sense, kind of. But the way it is stated makes it sound as if a person will be in their home creating energy, and then will plug themselves back into the power grid.


joe

I wonder what I'll plug into?






Georgie poo does realise that there is no solar pannel that puts out more energy in it's lifetime than it takes to make it.... Not really a viable energy source, and I wouldn't call tech from the 70's new.

there is no solar pannel that puts out more energy in it's lifetime than it takes to make it....


Really? Do you have a source on that you care to share?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cell

Solar cells and energy payback

There is a common but mistaken notion that solar cells never produce more energy than it takes to make them. While the expected working lifetime is around 40 years, the energy payback time of a solar panel is anywhere from 1 to 30 years (usually under five) depending on the type and where it is used (see net energy gain). This means solar cells are net energy producers and can "reproduce" themselves (from 6 to more than 30 times) over their lifetime. For details see Net Energy Analysis For Sustainable Energy Production From Silicon Based Solar Cells.

Georgie poo does realise that there is no solar pannel that puts out more energy in it's lifetime than it takes to make it.... Not really a viable energy source, and I wouldn't call tech from the 70's new.

That is absolutely, positively false.
Quickly...
An Empirical Perspecitive on the Energy Payback Time for Photovoltaic Modules (http://www.ecotopia.com/apollo2/knapp/PVEPBTPaper.pdf#search='energy%20required%20to%20p roduce%20solar%20panel')

"These results indicate that payback times for today’s sc-Si and CIS photovoltaic technology are substantially less than their expected lifetimes. With a module lifetime of 30 years, an SP75 will produce nine times the energy used in itsproduction and an ST40 seventeen times, a measure referred to as the “energy return factor” in some of the relevant
literature (18, 19)."
Remember this report is from 2000...
Try again.
And what is with this business of now you guys don't like any energy? Solar is now not good enough? Ahh, the real issue, you don't want anyone to have anything you don't have. The real goal is to get those behemouth SUVs off the road no matter what technology they use because they are bad. Ok, I'm clear now.

Really? Do you have a source on that you care to share?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cellOK, ok... That's what I get for repeating stuff you hear....

And what is with this business of now you guys don't like any energy? Solar is now not good enough? Ahh, the real issue, you don't want anyone to have anything you don't have. The real goal is to get those behemouth SUVs off the road no matter what technology they use because they are bad. Ok, I'm clear now.Well we agree on that. I think it's rather interesting that FIVE YEARS into his Presidency GWB is finally talking about our dependency on oil. When he recently stated in his SOTU address that Americans are adddicted to oil, it was as if he was seeing it for the first time. Guess it's part of the reason he was so successful as an oil man.

However, the proof is in the pudding. If this President moves this country toward cleaner, alternative energies, puts money and results where his mouth is, I will applaud him.

GW is in Golden, CO today at NREL (National Renewable Energy Lab). Hope he gets clued in to what is possible.


I can see him now:

"So, uh... where do you put the gas in this thing?"




joe

GW is in Golden, CO today at NREL (National Renewable Energy Lab). Hope he gets clued in to what is possible.

I can see him now:

"So, uh... where do you put the gas in this thing?"




joe
see for yourself:

http://9news.com/video/live16x9.aspx

see for yourself:

http://9news.com/video/live16x9.aspx



I really hope that he's not just paying lip service to this alternative energies stuff. If he pulls this stuff off, I will absolutley applaude him.



joe

I really hope that he's not just paying lip service to this alternative energies stuff. If he pulls this stuff off, I will absolutley applaude him.



joe


I could forgive him for a lot if anything real comes of this.

I could forgive him for a lot if anything real comes of this.
I watched about 5 minutes of the live roundtable--he was sitting over on one side with the hula jaw going like crazy--at one point he interrupted to make a special plea for more nuclear energy so that it could provide power for more hydrogen energy use. I'm sure he has an agenda.

Bush announced that he was cutting subsidies for luxury SUVs.

No, he did not! Pulled your leg. He did no such thing. But if he ever does the American public will have an inkling that he's really serious about this stuff.

olde Hula Jaw looks mighty uncomfortable here, doesn't he?

Well we agree on that. I think it's rather interesting that FIVE YEARS into his Presidency GWB is finally talking about our dependency on oil. When he recently stated in his SOTU address that Americans are adddicted to oil, it was as if he was seeing it for the first time. Guess it's part of the reason he was so successful as an oil man.

However, the proof is in the pudding. If this President moves this country toward cleaner, alternative energies, puts money and results where his mouth is, I will applaud him.

Treading on really dangerous ground here... :D I agree 100%. Don't faint, but my Repbulican friends and I have talked many, many times about the opportunity GWB has wasted in the last 5 years not setting this as a national ambition of tremendous importance. We've wanted to hear Kennedy's speech on putting man on the moon, turned around to 'getting rid of fossil fuels'. I actually work in energy and I'd love nothing more than to see the end of fossil fuel. We see him as letting slip away what truly could overshadow the tremendous job he's done on the war on terrorism. We are still waiting to see if this is meaningful or lip-service, it will truly define him in the eyes of many of his supporters.

I can hear GWB muttering himself... This outfit ain't got nothin' on that air force get-up with that codpiece, hehehe. In fact, even that wearing that suit with the bulge in the back was better than this blue hardhat 'n' clear glasses shite.

Treading on really dangerous ground here... :D I agree 100%. Don't faint, but my Repbulican friends and I have talked many, many times about the opportunity GWB has wasted in the last 5 years not setting this as a national ambition of tremendous importance. We've wanted to hear Kennedy's speech on putting man on the moon, turned around to 'getting rid of fossil fuels'. I actually work in energy and I'd love nothing more than to see the end of fossil fuel. We see him as letting slip away what truly could overshadow the tremendous job he's done on the war on terrorism. We are still waiting to see if this is meaningful or lip-service, it will truly define him in the eyes of many of his supporters.


He's got a chance here to do something that can be completley bi-partisan. Something that he can put his name on that went through and made the world a better place, while having a majority of people agree and work with him to see this through. Let's hope that he doesn't fall prey to the oil industry.

And if he's smart, he will leave ALL other politics out of this. the war, terrorism, averything that he has done that people are so deeply split on. i would take caution to compare what this could come to be to his "tremendous" job on the war on terrorism, or anything of the like. We all have out opinions on this, and most people know where others stand. All that will do is detract from real issues here that can be realistically addressed and taken care of, rather than split people on some pointless arguement on how great or terrible of a job he has done on anything.

Politics and business need to pe pushed aside on all of this energy crap. This isn't about getting elected or winning some kinf of pole somewhere. This is about the future of people. All people. Everywhere. New jobs and companies will be created by green technologies. Through development, manufacturing, operation, everything. I believe that something like this could possibly lead to better employment and wage numbers if done right, if kept in the US.



joe

Now that's funny!!!

He re-funded the lab just in time.


Bush also told employees at a key laboratory for renewable energy research that he regretted "mixed signals" that had led the Colorado facility to announce job cuts earlier this month because of budget cuts.

He visited the National Renewable Energy Laboratory a day after his administration rushed the transfer of $5 million to the lab to enable it to restore the jobs and resolve what could have been an embarrassing situation.

Democrats had cited the job cuts as a sign of lack of real commitment by the government to energy independence initiatives that Bush, a former oil company executive, announced with great fanfare in his State of the Union speech on January 31.


http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=ousiv&storyID=2006-02-21T201543Z_01_N21149115_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-BUSH-ENERGY-DC.XML

He re-funded the lab just in time.



http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=ousiv&storyID=2006-02-21T201543Z_01_N21149115_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-BUSH-ENERGY-DC.XML
Reee FUND!!!!!???? REEFUND!!!!!!??????

olde Hula Jaw looks mighty uncomfortable here, doesn't he?Is it just me or is GWB trying to mirror all the Village People....:rolleyes:



Whatever **did** happen to that miraculous wonderful space policy he announced a year or so ago?

"Are we there yet?"
:rolleyes:

on 9-12-01 and every American would have jumped on board. It could have been his Kennedy Speech. It coulda made him a President who in a key moment made radical decisions that took America to another level of greatness. It was his FDR moment and intsead of being a visionary which would have made him a monumental Pres he took the low road as oil b!tch. he coulda had a spot on the Mall, now he'll get a nice library funded by Halliburton.

small minded men make small minded choices.

heck with that Construction hat he's only an Indian Chief and Leather Boy away from having done the entire village people wardrobe.