Clinton (I'll use R for Con and L for Prog)

R: He has to be impeached!
L: But all he did was lie about an extramarital affair
R: But he LIED! He has to be impeached!
L: But it wasn't a High Crime and Misdemeanor
R: But he LIED under OATH! He has to be impeached!
L: But it didn't have anything to do with politics or government
R: But he LIED under OATH and we believe there is RIGHT and WRONG! He has to be impeached!
L: But nobody was hurt other than himself, Ms. Lewinsky and his family
R: But he LIED under OATH and we believe there is ABSOLUTE RIGHT and WRONG! He has to be impeached!

Bush,Cheney, Rove, Libby, Delay,Cunningham
L:These men must get punished.They broke the law, F'd with our system of government, stole from taxpayers, shortchanged our troops, exposed our spies, stomped on the constitution...
R: easy now, people make mistakes

Clinton (I'll use R for Con and L for Prog)

R: He has to be impeached!
L: But all he did was lie about an extramarital affair
R: But he LIED! He has to be impeached!
L: But it wasn't a High Crime and Misdemeanor
R: But he LIED under OATH! He has to be impeached!
L: But it didn't have anything to do with politics or government
R: But he LIED under OATH and we believe there is RIGHT and WRONG! He has to be impeached!
L: But nobody was hurt other than himself, Ms. Lewinsky and his family
R: But he LIED under OATH and we believe there is ABSOLUTE RIGHT and WRONG! He has to be impeached!

Bush,Cheney, Rove, Libby, Delay,Cunningham
L:These men must get punished.They broke the law, F'd with our system of government, stole from taxpayers, shortchanged our troops, exposed our spies, stomped on the constitution...
R: easy now, people make mistakes

What can the public do to get all these clowns answering questions about the Iraq war UNDER OATH! I know that they would dig up a lot more than a random blowjob.

Clinton (I'll use R for Con and L for Prog)

R: He has to be impeached!
L: But all he did was lie about an extramarital affair
R: But he LIED! He has to be impeached!
L: But it wasn't a High Crime and Misdemeanor
R: But he LIED under OATH! He has to be impeached!
L: But it didn't have anything to do with politics or government
R: But he LIED under OATH and we believe there is RIGHT and WRONG! He has to be impeached!
L: But nobody was hurt other than himself, Ms. Lewinsky and his family
R: But he LIED under OATH and we believe there is ABSOLUTE RIGHT and WRONG! He has to be impeached!

Bush,Cheney, Rove, Libby, Delay,Cunningham
L:These men must get punished.They broke the law, F'd with our system of government, stole from taxpayers, shortchanged our troops, exposed our spies, stomped on the constitution...
R: easy now, people make mistakes



What's your point? The amoral Con sewer is hypocrisy defined.

I'm exhausted. I see no point in discussing and debating with the fools who support this cadre anymore. I see a great concept for a TV show that could replace the Sopranos on HBO. ...and speaking of organized crime, don't tell me this guy doesn't look like a wise guy.

has custom condoms with flags and scripture on them he uses to sodomize teenage hooker slaves when he's in Saipan. Guy looks like a total perv

I'm exhausted. I see no point in discussing and debating with the fools who support this cadre anymore. I see a great concept for a TV show that could replace the Sopranos on HBO. ...and speaking of organized crime, don't tell me this guy doesn't look like a wise guy.


How despicable is this photo? Not only is he smiling for a mug shot, but he's wearing his Congressional member pin. McKinney may be a jerk, but he's a disgrace....

he's just a man and men make mistakes.

though I trust my government even though it is run by just 'men'.

he's just a man and men make mistakes.

though I trust my government even though it is run by just 'men'.

Remember the Reagan axiom- "Trust but verify..." I also like the old saw that we get the government we deserve. It's all a case of folks not taking enough interest in their government; how else do you explain so many incumbents in the legislative branch?

How despicable is this photo? Not only is he smiling for a mug shot, but he's wearing his Congressional member pin. McKinney may be a jerk, but he's a disgrace....


Charlie Murphy needs to bust one of those gators off in DeLay's @ss to show his insides some style.

Clinton (I'll use R for Con and L for Prog)

R: He has to be impeached!
L: But all he did was lie about an extramarital affair
R: But he LIED! He has to be impeached!
L: But it wasn't a High Crime and Misdemeanor
R: But he LIED under OATH! He has to be impeached!
L: But it didn't have anything to do with politics or government
R: But he LIED under OATH and we believe there is RIGHT and WRONG! He has to be impeached!
L: But nobody was hurt other than himself, Ms. Lewinsky and his family
R: But he LIED under OATH and we believe there is ABSOLUTE RIGHT and WRONG! He has to be impeached!

Bush,Cheney, Rove, Libby, Delay,Cunningham
L:These men must get punished.They broke the law, F'd with our system of government, stole from taxpayers, shortchanged our troops, exposed our spies, stomped on the constitution...
R: easy now, people make mistakes

Just wanted to point out that Clinton wasn't charged with abuse of power for lying about the Lewinsky affair. He was impeached for misleading testimony about sexual harassment and I believe obstruction of justice, both high crimes and misdemeanors. I like the way that the libbies still think that he was impeached for a bj. Spin, spin. Flame on.

Just wanted to point out that Clinton wasn't charged with abuse of power for lying about the Lewinsky affair. He was impeached for misleading testimony about sexual harassment and I believe obstruction of justice, both high crimes and misdemeanors. I like the way that the libbies still think that he was impeached for a bj. Spin, spin. Flame on.

Sexual harrassment? He lied under oath about a BJ--how's that? Get GWB and his crooked cronies under oath and let's see what a grand jury can dig up on them--I guarantee it'll be better than a BJ from an intern.

Just wanted to point out that Clinton wasn't charged with abuse of power for lying about the Lewinsky affair. He was impeached for misleading testimony about sexual harassment and I believe obstruction of justice, both high crimes and misdemeanors. I like the way that the libbies still think that he was impeached for a bj. Spin, spin. Flame on.

as getting a BJ, lying under oath about it, having a suspicious real estate deal while govenor and a sexual harassment accustation don't qualify as the 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors' that were intended for an article of impeachment.
None are crimes against the U.S.A. from a President. None were frontal assualts on our system or constitution. The ones that started the investigation happened BEFORE he was President. He didn't abuse his Presidential power at all. that is my point, he as the right likes to say so often now "made a little mistake'.

He was impeached for misleading testimony and obstruction of justice for lying about a BJ,which didn't have anything to do with Whitewater or Paula Jones. which neiother had anything to dowith Presidential Abuse of power. Neither would qualify for Impeachable high Crimes.
The Cons knew this which is why they pitched the 'absolute right and wrong' spiel. It is why they took the 'morals' road that they so want to dodge now. They said "No Moral realtivism' which is what makes all the excuses they use now pure crap.

Finally Clinton wasn't 'impeached'. article 1 he was acquitted 45-55 (55 against) and article II 50-50 so in either case they failed to get a simple majority and were nowhere close to 2/3rds needed. 10 republicans voted for acquittal as at least they knew it was BS.
and BTW the democrat who broke ranks on the judiciary commitee to start the investigation was Feingold. So it shows he's no partisan but a 'Right and wrong' kinda guy.

Finally Clinton wasn't 'impeached'. article 1 he was acquitted 45-55 (55 against) and article II 50-50 so in either case they failed to get a simple majority and were nowhere close to 2/3rds needed. 10 republicans voted for acquittal as at least they knew it was BS.
and BTW the democrat who broke ranks on the judiciary commitee to start the investigation was Feingold. So it shows he's no partisan but a 'Right and wrong' kinda guy.

I have 15 minutes to kill before my next meeting so here goes. Clinton was impeached. It went to the Senate, that is impeachment.

Here is a link:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/background/impeach/impeach.htm

I have 15 minutes to kill before my next meeting so here goes. Clinton was impeached. It went to the Senate, that is impeachment.

Here is a link:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/background/impeach/impeach.htm

So when it it gonna be Georgie boy's turn? He's certainly done more than CLinton did.

I don't know if he has done as much but he certainly hasn't done as many as Clinton did.

I have 15 minutes to kill before my next meeting so here goes. Clinton was impeached. It went to the Senate, that is impeachment.

Here is a link:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/background/impeach/impeach.htm

If he was acquitted why isn't the question of whether he was impeached a matter of semantics?

On second thought, scratch that. This whole line of discussion about Clinton is an absurd red herring in the context of this current crisis.

I don't know if he has done as much but he certainly hasn't done as many as Clinton did.


Har har... Seriously now... are you going to sit there and come back with slick willie remarck all day, or are you going to explain why what Clinton did was worse than what Bush is doing?



joe

If he was acquitted why isn't the question of whether he was impeached a matter of semantics?

On second thought, scratch that. This whole line of discussion about Clinton is an absurd red herring in the context of this current crisis.

Just going by the definition. If the dems want to move on articles of impeachment, they have the right. It would be political suicide for the party though. Lets go find another shiny object. Providing nuclear technology to India, what is up with that? Who is Nick Lachey going out with? These are the issues we should be focusing on.

Just going by the definition. If the dems want to move on articles of impeachment, they have the right. It would be political suicide for the party though. Lets go find another shiny object. Providing nuclear technology to India, what is up with that? Who is Nick Lachey going out with? These are the issues we should be focusing on.

I think, right now, with a republican controlled Congress, let's face it, impeachment is not going to happen. And I would point out to democrats that are in a position to try and make it happen to review what happened to the republicans when they did impeach Clinton. There was a horrible backlash against them, and a vast majority of people in the US agreed that impeaching Clinton was indeed the wrong and incorrect thing to do, but, there were members of Congress who so hated Clinton (Delay being one of them), and who were supported by well heeled republican party contributors, that they would do anything to try and force him from office. Now, the hate of Clinton from the right was far and away a lot more vicious and destructive than anything that democrats have done towards Bush. What I do find funny is that whenever someone comes out and opposes something Bush is doing, and happens to be a democrat, the right cry and whine about how obstructionist it is, and why can't they just support the president. Of course, this all rings hollow. From the time Clinton took the oath of office, he was targetted for removal by some very powerful folks who had a lot of money, and a lot of venom for him. The original independent council on the Whitewater case was ready to dismiss it all, after he spent a year or so investigating it, and turned up, guess what? Nothing. As soon as the republicans who were in control of this investigation heard that, he was removed, and we got Ken Starr to continue the boondoggle, and what did he find about Whitewater? Nothing. But I digress.

If the democrats win back a majority in the fall, look for them to NOT try to impeach Bush, because first of all, we don't have any testimony, or anything else right now where he has been judged of doing anything illegal. If we wanted to do it on domestic surveillance, oops, excuse me, the Terrorist Surveillance Program, we would first have to conduct an investigation into whether or not what he did was illegal. He says it isn't, others say that it was and is, but we don't have the definitive word on that as of yet. Maybe someday we will, but I would wager it will come out after he's left office in '08. Censure is a lot better avenue to travel down and to take in this case, but alas, my democrat friends in Congress are lacking a certain level of bollocks to try and do this. And that makes me mad. As Feingold says, we can't let the executive branch run amok, but they're letting them do pretty much whatever they want right now. It's funny to me that republicans always complain about how we're out to get Bush. Well, judging from the actions of Congress, that just ain't true. Starting articles of Impeachment against Bush would see a similar backlash to what the republicans experienced with Clinton methinks, and would be a waste of time unfortunately. Not that I wouldn't want to see it, but because I just don't think it would work, or would be prudent. I don't think it would be political suicide, but I think you'd see a larger number of people then approving of George Bush after it happened. We should let him continue down his path of self destruction that he's traveling down now. He doesn't need any help from the democrats on this, he's doing a fine job right now of imploding. We will see a backlash from the poor job that the current administration is doing with the mid-terms this year. I firmly believe that we will re-take the House this fall. Republicans (KP) who see otherwise are fooling themselves, and have put themselves into a position where the democrats were back in 1994, cocksure and cocky, but that attidude is going to bite them in the arse in the end. Look what happened in Canada this past year. They were not impressed with the leadership they were getting, and they made a big change. This is what is going to happen this fall I think. Right now the majority of the country is very unimpressed with the job that Bush and company are doing, and that reflects directly and poorly on the rest of the party. People are no eager for a change, and there is one coming.

That would be a huge turn out in the november elections turning over control of the house and senate to the democrats. The the hearing can begin into what has been going on these last five years. I know it's not going to happen, but that's the only way to call these guys on the carpet.

Before any hearings on this war would have any validity or be helpful for the Democrats, they will have to stand up and state an opinion, a collective opinion on this war. Right now, they are having it both ways, approval of the cause and complaint about the method and open definition on the cause. What needs to be clarified is the Party stance on the cause. Once that is established, the American people can choose. It should be a clear line between fighting a just war or a just cause or recognition of error and an immediate cease fire, withdrawal and reparations.