As heard on NPR. The Conservative base of the Republican party is losing faith in GWB. His approval is down to 50%. This is because all the issues they pay lip service to around election time are, for the most part, abandoned after the election is over. So what is going to happen? Well, the old chestnuts like gay marriage, abortion, judges, stem cell research, etc, are going to be trotted out just in time to whip up the faithful to go out and vote republican for the next election. Dog, that's cynical.

jeesh. "Fool me once......uh......Ya fool me you won't get fooled again!"

So what is going to happen? Well, the old chestnuts like gay marriage, abortion, judges, stem cell research, etc, are going to be trotted out just in time to whip up the faithful to go out and vote republican for the next election.


You can bet your @ss they will...

Fear, fear, and more fear. Fear the gays... Fear the immigrants... Fear the baby killers... Oh yeah, and fear the terrorists.

What happened to fear the big spenders?

Rove is starting to look like a one trick pony.

As heard on NPR. The Conservative base of the Republican party is losing faith in GWB. His approval is down to 50%. This is because all the issues they pay lip service to around election time are, for the most part, abandoned after the election is over. So what is going to happen? Well, the old chestnuts like gay marriage, abortion, judges, stem cell research, etc, are going to be trotted out just in time to whip up the faithful to go out and vote republican for the next election. Dog, that's cynical.

jeesh. "Fool me once......uh......Ya fool me you won't get fooled again!"

NPR news? This is your source?

Gay marrige? Already taken care of. It wont be an issue.

Abortion has never been in any real danger.

Judges? Yea whatever.

Stem Cell research? Now that Superman is dead, nobody cares.

There are plently of other "real" issues Bush will work towards, to rally his base.

Neverless, IMHO the Dismalcrats will gain seats dispite anything Bush does.

The American Joe knows it's time to balance things out a bit.

This is the Dismalcrats election to lose...

Flame on... :)

Gay marrige? Already taken care of. It wont be an issue.
Care to bet? Nothing has changed and I'm calling for a Ban amendment come August-ish

Abortion has never been in any real danger.
better not tell that to the Fundicons. Been over a decade and they got babies to save and doctors to kill and clinics to bomb

Judges? Yea whatever.
Exactly they are all righty tighty.still nothing to get done

Stem Cell research? Now that Superman is dead, nobody cares.
Nobody except, Nancy Reagan, Michael J. Fox, people with Parkinsons, Cancer, paralysis and a host of other issues

There are plently of other "real" issues Bush will work towards, to rally his base.
please name some. heck name 1

Neverless, IMHO the Dismalcrats will gain seats dispite anything Bush does.
Don't ya think the shrub has done enough already?

The American Joe knows it's time to balance things out a bit.
Nah,watch the knee jerks come flyin' off Rove;'s desk come late summer.

look Kendle, a swing in either the house or senate means impeachment and most likely jail time. They will go down swinging with all they have.

NPR news? This is your source?

Gay marrige? Already taken care of. It wont be an issue.

Abortion has never been in any real danger.

Judges? Yea whatever.

Stem Cell research? Now that Superman is dead, nobody cares.

There are plently of other "real" issues Bush will work towards, to rally his base.

Neverless, IMHO the Dismalcrats will gain seats dispite anything Bush does.

The American Joe knows it's time to balance things out a bit.

This is the Dismalcrats election to lose...

Flame on... :)


You're dismissing NPR as a news source?... :rolleyes:

There are plently of other "real" issues Bush will work towards, to rally his base. please name some. heck name 1.

Thats one thing. :)

I'm beginning to think your an optimist. No more hugs for you... ;)

You're dismissing NPR as a news source?... :rolleyes:

Note: I stopped listening to them 4 years ago, as I dont get too many radio stations where I live.

However I dont like their American politics. According to them, it's the end of the world....

With burnt out, already overstressed, over utilized, National Guardsmen? Oh and that conflicts since to do so he'd be taking them away from State (Govenor) command.

what's he gonna do build a wall? with what money? oh lemme guess he'll hire Halliburton to do it and give them a special provision to not pay standard wages and the wall will be built by Illegal aliens like Katrina. ha hah ha, yer killing me

Al;ien issue is NeoCon Hoax #1 but it is a risky high wire act. he needs to appear tough on it for the big, dumb, cracker voting block whose votes he needs but has to do nothing to please the corporatist $ donors who bankroll his party. IMHO the GOP should have never gone near this one as it has huge opportunities to put them between a rock and a hard place.

finally W's success at 'closing the border' will most likely match his successes in Iraq and ine Gulf.

Note: I stopped listening to them 4 years ago, as I dont get too many radio stations where I live.

However I dont like their American politics. According to them, it's the end of the world....

I've listened to NPR for many years and I've never heard a pronouncement that it's the end of the world. Gee I tought it was those wacky Christian Cons who believe in the end times. Are sure you don't have NPR confused with AFR?

makes me thankful i grew up in an area of diverse and progressive social and cultural influences.

thank you for, in your own way, reminding me not to ever take that for granted.


[QUOTE=KendleFox]Note: I dont get too many radio stations where I live.

Note: I dont get too many radio stations where I live.


makes me thankful i grew up in an area of diverse and progressive social and cultural influences.

thank you for, in your own way, reminding me not to ever take that for granted.


A living example of what you get when there's is a lack of media diversity? I bet at least half of the radio stations he can tune in are owned by Clear Channel Communications..

the only way people on the left think it's the end of the world is if the Shrub goes "Rapture' on us. Rather than go down the criminal he is, he loses Congress in 06 and decides to take the world with him

NPR news? This is your source?

Gay marrige? Already taken care of. It wont be an issue.

Abortion has never been in any real danger.

Judges? Yea whatever.

Stem Cell research? Now that Superman is dead, nobody cares.

There are plently of other "real" issues Bush will work towards, to rally his base.

Neverless, IMHO the Dismalcrats will gain seats dispite anything Bush does.

The American Joe knows it's time to balance things out a bit.

This is the Dismalcrats election to lose...

Flame on... :)

Back when I was a freaking clueless conservative I used to dismiss NPR as a biased Liberal news source. And they were. They have gotten much better and I believe they are THE source for balanced reporting for the well-informed. I direct you to page 12 and the following pages of the report: http://65.109.167.118/pipa/pdf/oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf

As far as your other points I think you are "misunderestimating" the Republican spin and fear machine. I love to know what those "real" issues you mention are. The only one I can think of right now is illegal immigration and Bush is on the wrong side of that issue as far as conservative go.

freaking clueless conservative

redundant?

I bet 80% plus of what he gets is Clear Channel owned.

It's gonna be spin city coming up, unless of course Herr Karl is busy trying to spin his own defense

With burnt out, already overstressed, over utilized, National Guardsmen? Oh and that conflicts since to do so he'd be taking them away from State (Govenor) command.

what's he gonna do build a wall? with what money? oh lemme guess he'll hire Halliburton to do it and give them a special provision to not pay standard wages and the wall will be built by Illegal aliens like Katrina. ha hah ha, yer killing me

You have to start somewhere? It doesnt matter, you will catch 22 him, no matter the outcome.

I've listened to NPR for many years and I've never heard a pronouncement that it's the end of the world. Gee I tought it was those wacky Christian Cons who believe in the end times. Are sure you don't have NPR confused with AFR?

If you dont believe NPR has an agenda, then theres nothing more I can say. I do enjoy many of their international stories, but like I said, I dont get to hear them anymore, so my current opinion of them is outdated.

A living example of what you get when there's is a lack of media diversity? I bet at least half of the radio stations he can tune in are owned by Clear Channel Communications..

Your figures are WAY off. All the stations here are owned by CLC ;)

As far as your other points I think you are "misunderestimating" the Republican spin and fear machine. I love to know what those "real" issues you mention are. The only one I can think of right now is illegal immigration and Bush is on the wrong side of that issue as far as conservative go.

Fear has never been a motivating factor for me, in how I vote, or what I do.

When I was refering to "real issues" I was simply stating that none of the issues mentioned were important in the first place.

Do I thing Gays should be married? I do think they should have the same rights. But when it comes to it, I dont really care about this issue. What I do care about, is having to explain to me kids why Fred is kissing Tom at the swimming pool.

I dont care for abortion, I think it's a dreadful process. Our focus should be on personal responcibility. Adoption is always an option.

Judges? I dont care what their views are. I just want them to be fair and concise according to the law.

Stem Cell research? I really have not done the research to have an opinion on it.

and live in a mixed neighborhood. We have 2 gay males with a daughter my kids age across the street, 2 lesbians 'aunts' 2 doors down (whom babysit her, another gay couple next to them and 2 mixed ethnicity marriages. My daughter has no issues with any of it. She knows Sarah has 2 daddies, simple.

abortion is dreadful, though making it illegaol would be far worse. didn't stop it from happening in the past, won't in the future.

Personal responisbility? Funny you like to apply that to low income moms and teenage girls but give this admin the HYallPass of the century. When the accept the RESPONSIBILITY for the numerous F ups they've made then you'll have half a leg to stand on.

Stem cell, good on ya. If ya don't know, get informed. Kendle, first thing you need to know. The stem cells they use (or used to) are usually the ones 'leftover' from IVF parents. They harvest and fertilize more eggs than they need. After a couple have the # of kids they need the ones not implanted are/were used for this research. Now that the law has changed, instead of using these to help cure a littany of diseases they are givien a bleach bath and flushed down the drain. So either way the 'little babies' are being 'killed'. Would you rather it for nothing or for helping put an end to numerous human sufferings?

and live in a mixed neighborhood. We have 2 gay males with a daughter my kids age across the street, 2 lesbians 'aunts' 2 doors down (whom babysit her, another gay couple next to them and 2 mixed ethnicity marriages. My daughter has no issues with any of it. She knows Sarah has 2 daddies, simple.

I would have to guess that none of the people you mention are making out infront of your daughter. I'm fine with that, and my standards apply to straight couples too.

abortion is dreadful, though making it illegaol would be far worse. didn't stop it from happening in the past, won't in the future. I dont think it should be banned.

Personal responisbility? Funny you like to apply that to low income moms and teenage girls but give this admin the HYallPass of the century. When the accept the RESPONSIBILITY for the numerous F ups they've made then you'll have half a leg to stand on.
It never fails how people will hijack a statement, and use mis-direction, to blame others.
I have not given anyone a pass, I call it the way I see it. I look at everything objectively and look at each issue seperately.

Stem cell, good on ya. If ya don't know, get informed. Kendle, first thing you need to know. The stem cells they use (or used to) are usually the ones 'leftover' from IVF parents. They harvest and fertilize more eggs than they need. After a couple have the # of kids they need the ones not implanted are/were used for this research. Now that the law has changed, instead of using these to help cure a littany of diseases they are givien a bleach bath and flushed down the drain. So either way the 'little babies' are being 'killed'. Would you rather it for nothing or for helping put an end to numerous human sufferings?
You didnt mention why Bush did what he did. He did not want Federal money involved in this process. Did he not want to prevent people from coming in to dropp off their eggs?
The federal money is not that large a sum. If this stem cell is a viable option, then others will step up and pony up the money.

Flame on... ;)

Flame on... ;)

There is not much money other than federal money which goes to basic biological research. It's like telling the Air Force that their new plane sounds great, but there won't be any federal money to develop it. We both know that plane will not be taking off very soon.

Right now California is in the process of getting stem cell research funding in this state.

This is also not an issue that will be taken up by private industry. There is much too far to go in understanding stem cells, how they work, and if there is even a way to make them cure diseases.

ATP's story on the basics is spot on, unless you get IVF in Louisiana. They are the only state with a clear moral perspective, as they do not allow any stem cells to be eliminated. They are all kept in permanent cryogenic freezing. This misses the point that the embryos will be completely useless in 5-10 years, but it is a slightly better moral position.

Silas

As heard on NPR. The Conservative base of the Republican party is losing faith in GWB. His approval is down to 50%. This is because all the issues they pay lip service to around election time are, for the most part, abandoned after the election is over. So what is going to happen? Well, the old chestnuts like gay marriage, abortion, judges, stem cell research, etc, are going to be trotted out just in time to whip up the faithful to go out and vote republican for the next election. Dog, that's cynical.

jeesh. "Fool me once......uh......Ya fool me you won't get fooled again!"

It seems to me that Bush is trying to please both sides with silly half measures, take his immigration speech last nite. Half measures only tick off both sides. I don't see this helping his numbers in the polls. At the same time I'm not convinced the current media/interest group polls are the whole story of the electorate for '06. But, I can tell you that we are gonna find out in pretty short order.

I'm pretty sure that illegal immigration, gas prices, and the Iraq war will trump the old "chestnuts" as you put it.

is just allowing them to die. neglect trumps the bleach bath.
it's a frickin blastocyst with tons of possibilities, a moral decision would be to not waste it.

is just allowing them to die. neglect trumps the bleach bath.
it's a frickin blastocyst with tons of possibilities, a moral decision would be to not waste it.

I agree with you, but it's not as blatantly hypocritical as the other states which want to ban stem cell research but still give em the old flush.

Silas

I agree with you, but it's not as blatantly hypocritical as the other states which want to ban stem cell research but still give em the old flush.

Silas

Are these eggs fertilized? If not, then WTF is the problem with using them?

Anyone curious if the old 'terror alert' will be raised a few weeks before election time? Been oddly quiet since the 2004 election hasn't it?

Are these eggs fertilized? If not, then WTF is the problem with using them?

They are all fertilized. The ones they freeze just go bad after a long enough time. No longer viable for creating a baby or doing research. They're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, to use an oddly appropriate analogy.

If you're asking why they don't implant them in the first place, most women don't want 20 babies coming out at once...

Silas

Anyone curious if the old 'terror alert' will be raised a few weeks before election time? Been oddly quiet since the 2004 election hasn't it?

That's a GREAT point. It sure seemed that the "terror alert" used to be raised when Kerry was making news. Yes, it has been mostly silent since Bush was re-elected. Talk about using fear to motivate the sheep.

they harvest and fertilize more than they need to have spares because not every one 'takes'. Now they implant sometimes more than 1 which means they have to cull the others. Culling is again another nice word for 'baby killing' in the eyes of a fundicon.
So in reality people who use IVF have more 'baby murders' on their hands than the most horrid 'welfare woman who irresponsibly uses abortion as birth control'. This is the ethical issue with claiming 'life begins at conception' as if the SC ever judged so,IVF would be banned as would many forms of birth control.

Do I thing Gays should be married? I do think they should have the same rights. But when it comes to it, I dont really care about this issue. What I do care about, is having to explain to me kids why Fred is kissing Tom at the swimming pool.

I'm a little confused by this statement. Are you saying that gay rights doesn't come into play when assesing a political candidate's position. However, you feel a little squeamish about talking about homosexuality to your kids? Does this sqeamishness come into play in how you view gay rights in general?

I see a little farther down the thread tree that you don't approve in PDA for anyone, regardless of sexual orientation. Does this include goodbye of hello kisses at the airport or other "standard" greeting or departing places? Do you think it's okay for gays to kiss in these circumstances?

I'm not accusing you of anything, just trying to get a better reading.

I'm a little confused by this statement. Are you saying that gay rights doesn't come into play when assesing a political candidate's position.
I'm not sure what your getting at, but I'll try to answer anyways. I dont vote based on one's position on Gay rights, simply because this issue is not on my "important list".


However, you feel a little squeamish about talking about homosexuality to your kids?


Trust me, I am not squeamish. My oldest is 9, and she does not need to have a talk about sexuallity of any sort. She should just enjoy being a kid...

Does this sqeamishness come into play in how you view gay rights in general?
No

I see a little farther down the thread tree that you don't approve in PDA for anyone, regardless of sexual orientation. Does this include goodbye of hello kisses at the airport or other "standard" greeting or departing places? Do you think it's okay for gays to kiss in these circumstances?

Lets keep it real here. Guys kiss each other all the time in Europe. I was refering to making out.

I'm not accusing you of anything, just trying to get a better reading.

Now let me close this up. Here is my take on the whole Gay rights thing.
I'm taking this back a step. Just because I'm married with kids, why should I be treated better by the Gov? Why should I have to be married to enjoy these extra tax breaks?
Why cant couples who choose to just live together, have the same rights if they so choose?

This is not a Gay rights issue, this is an American rights issue, and I believe all Americans should have the same rights, regardless of who you are living with or what their sexuallity is.

As heard on NPR. The Conservative base of the Republican party is losing faith in GWB. His approval is down to 50%. This is because all the issues they pay lip service to around election time are, for the most part, abandoned after the election is over. So what is going to happen? Well, the old chestnuts like gay marriage, abortion, judges, stem cell research, etc, are going to be trotted out just in time to whip up the faithful to go out and vote republican for the next election. Dog, that's cynical.

jeesh. "Fool me once......uh......Ya fool me you won't get fooled again!"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060518/ap_on_go_co/senate_gay_marriage

with teen pregnancy the way it is you may wanna rethink that 'enjoy being a kid' thing. an 11 year old just gave birth in England.

with teen pregnancy the way it is you may wanna rethink that 'enjoy being a kid' thing. an 11 year old just gave birth in England.

Unlike most of American society, we homeschool our kids.

We live far from family, so we do not have a babysitter.

The TV is not our babysitter.

I take my kids everywhere with me. I dont drop them off at soccer practice, I stay there and watch.

Thank you for your concern, I'm sure your heart is in the right place.

I'm sure my wonderful wife and I will know when it is the right time to have a talk about sexuallity with our children, based on age and level of maturity.