A tourist walks into a curio shop in San Francisco. Looking around at
everything, he notices a very lifelike life-sized bronze statue of a
rat.

It has no price tag, but is so striking that he decides he must have
it.

He takes it to the owner and asks, "How much for the bronze rat?"

The owner replies, "$12 for the rat and $100 for the story".

The tourist gives the man $12 and says, "I'll just take the rat, you
can keep the story."

As he walks down the street carrying his bronze rat, he notices that a
few real rats have crawled out of the alleys and sewers and begun
following him down the street.

This is disconcerting, and he begins walking faster. But within a
couple of blocks, the herd of rats behind him has grown to hundreds,
and
they begin squealing. He begins to trot toward the Bay, looking around
to see that the rats now number in the MILLIONS, and are squealing and
coming toward him faster and f aster.

Concerned, even scared, he runs to the edge of the Bay, and throws the
bronze rat as far out into the water as he can. Amazingly, the
millions
of rats all jump into the Bay after it and are all drowned.

The man walks back to the curio shop.

"Ah ha," says the owner, "you have come back for the story?"

"No," says the man, "I came back to see if you have a bronze Mexican, a
bronze Muslim cleric, a bronze Democrat, & anything French."

clever, but can we can the racist jokes from this board please?

I nominate this for permanent "Asshat" designation.

"Ah ha," says the owner, "you have come back for the story?"

"No," says the man, "I came back to see if you have a bronze Mexican, a
bronze Muslim cleric, a bronze Democrat, & anything French."

Dude, you and me gotta hang out more. That was some funny s-word!

Dude, you and me gotta hang out more. That was some funny s-word!
oh yeah...ethnic cleansing is so funny, isn't it?

oh yeah...ethnic cleansing is so funny, isn't it?

Lighten up Francis. Nobody is suggesting ethnic cleansing. It's a frick'n joke, and not terribly mean spirited btw.

It's healthy to laugh at difficult situations every once in awhile. I mean when are we going to do something about those pesky French?

Lighten up Francis. Nobody is suggesting ethnic cleansing. It's a frick'n joke, and not terribly mean spirited btw.

It's healthy to laugh at difficult situations every once in awhile. I mean when are we going to do something about those pesky French?

I said it was clever, but it's small stuff like this that fuels the bigger stuff. I hope I'm wrong, but you just know that the GOP is going to use "The Mexicans" as a boogyman for the next election. It's already ramping up. What's the diff between that and what Hitler did? Do you think he just opened the gas chambers right away? No...his anti-semitism ramped up a bit at a time. I just get uneasy at hearing stuff like this.

I said it was clever, but it's small stuff like this that fuels the bigger stuff. I hope I'm wrong, but you just know that the GOP is going to use "The Mexicans" as a boogyman for the next election. It's already ramping up. What's the diff between that and what Hitler did? Do you think he just opened the gas chambers right away? No...his anti-semitism ramped up a bit at a time. I just get uneasy at hearing stuff like this.

Shouldnt you be watching Star Trek the next generation where everyone lives in a perfect communist society?

The P.C. stuff has just got to go....

Shouldnt you be watching Star Trek the next generation where everyone lives in a perfect communist society?

The P.C. stuff has just got to go....

I'm about as far from PC as they come if you actually get to know me.

The P.C. stuff has just got to go....

If you had just kept the joke at liberals (an old joke that I've heard a couple or more times retreaded to fit the particular predjudices of the teller), then it would have been nice and funny.

When you made the step to include identifiable ehtnic groups, you stepped over the line. PC? No, just civility. What your joke tells me is that you think the the US would be better off without Mexicans ... that you hold Mexicans in contempt, that exterminating them would be a good thing. While I did note that you said Muslim clerics rather than simply Muslims, it is almost as bad.

Cripes, I'm not telling you that you need to love Mexicans or Muslim clerics. I'm just saying that it is in poor taste to insinuate that exterminating all of them -- as if they all were vermin -- would be a good thing.

If you would have kept it at liberals, then we all would have said ha, ha and wasn't that a hairy dog joke and kind of old too but good one.

If you had just kept the joke at liberals (an old joke that I've heard a couple or more times retreaded to fit the particular predjudices of the teller), then it would have been nice and funny.

When you made the step to include identifiable ehtnic groups, you stepped over the line. PC? No, just civility. What your joke tells me is that you think the the US would be better off without Mexicans ... that you hold Mexicans in contempt, that exterminating them would be a good thing. While I did note that you said Muslim clerics rather than simply Muslims, it is almost as bad.

Cripes, I'm not telling you that you need to love Mexicans or Muslim clerics. I'm just saying that it is in poor taste to insinuate that exterminating all of them -- as if they all were vermin -- would be a good thing.

If you would have kept it at liberals, then we all would have said ha, ha and wasn't that a hairy dog joke and kind of old too but good one.
Yeah...agree with this 100%. It's definately not the most offensive joke I've ever heard, but look at it this way. Is this a joke you'd think was funny or appropriate if GW Bush told it during a press conference? He'd be raked over the coals if he told this joke. That leads me to believe it's not appropriate here either. There are plenty of Mexicans or people of hispanic descent that are over here legally and to suggest we should drown them all based on ethnicity is in poor taste at best.

clever, but can we can the racist jokes from this board please?

I have nothing against Rats.

I am not a rat racist, and indeed some of my best friends are Rats.

I have had relations with Rats of all colors. Some have lived in my house from time to time.

For you to accuse me of being a racist against Rats, deeply offends the integrity of my moral foundation.

Now a mouse on the otherhand is a different story. I feed them to my snake… ;)

I have nothing against Rats.

I am not a rat racist, and indeed some of my best friends are Rats.

I have had relations with Rats of all colors. Some have lived in my house from time to time.

For you to accuse me of being a racist against Rats, deeply offends the integrity of my moral foundation.

Now a mouse on the otherhand is a different story. I feed them to my snake… ;)

I never said YOU were racist. I just said the joke was racist. I don't know you other than from your posts here.

If you had just kept the joke at liberals (an old joke that I've heard a couple or more times retreaded to fit the particular predjudices of the teller), then it would have been nice and funny.

I did not alter the joke, it was emailed to me, and posted, unedited.

I did not alter the joke, it was emailed to me, and posted, unedited.

I've posted stuff on these boards before that someone has called me on and after I realized they were right I've deleted it and apologized. Heck...nobody's perfect and various people are offended by different things so going over the line is going to happen from time to time. I hope I've learned something from experiences like that. Just sayin.

I've posted stuff on these boards before that someone has called me on and after I realized they were right I've deleted it and apologized. Heck...nobody's perfect and various people are offended by different things so going over the line is going to happen from time to time. I hope I've learned something from experiences like that. Just sayin.

I don’t think this joke is a racist joke in the slightest, as there weren’t any disparaging terms used.

This joke is simply a reflection of the problems facing our country. I’m sure I have or will post stuff that will cross the line, but I don’t think this is one of them.

If people are sensitive to this post, then what are they doing in this forum? I’m from Texas, and I’ve seen many jokes here slandering the people of my state. I’m sure the red states get offended from time to time too.

If we tried to appease everyone here, then this forum would suck-as_s.

KendleFox: Pulls is mighty stick out of the ant pile…

I said it was clever, but it's small stuff like this that fuels the bigger stuff. I hope I'm wrong, but you just know that the GOP is going to use "The Mexicans" as a boogyman for the next election. It's already ramping up. What's the diff between that and what Hitler did? Do you think he just opened the gas chambers right away? No...his anti-semitism ramped up a bit at a time. I just get uneasy at hearing stuff like this.

This is below small stuff. It's not even on the stuff radar. I like your earlier hysterical response concerning "ethnic cleansing".

Aren't you the guy with the instant sarcastic quips on this board, and you're O-fen-did by this formula joke?

You were being sarcastic again and I missed it right? Damn! Why didn't I see that?

If you had just kept the joke at liberals (an old joke that I've heard a couple or more times retreaded to fit the particular predjudices of the teller), then it would have been nice and funny.

When you made the step to include identifiable ehtnic groups, you stepped over the line. PC? No, just civility. What your joke tells me is that you think the the US would be better off without Mexicans ... that you hold Mexicans in contempt, that exterminating them would be a good thing. While I did note that you said Muslim clerics rather than simply Muslims, it is almost as bad.

Cripes, I'm not telling you that you need to love Mexicans or Muslim clerics. I'm just saying that it is in poor taste to insinuate that exterminating all of them -- as if they all were vermin -- would be a good thing.

If you would have kept it at liberals, then we all would have said ha, ha and wasn't that a hairy dog joke and kind of old too but good one.

I love your sanctimonious BS tone. Your psyche is obviously way to sensitive to handle the rough and tumble humour of modern American social discourse. Unless of course you are going for the PC mark in the Guiness Book of World Records. Everyone needs a goal, I suppose.

The fact that anybody can read that joke and come up with "While I did note that you said Muslim clerics rather than simply Muslims, it is almost as bad" makes me understand how there can be such a thing as a liberal. Liberalism is obviously a mental disorder.

How can someone go from that joke to suggesting that the teller of it wants to exterminate all the Mexicans? Grow up!

Here's a hint for you. When Benny Goodman said he was thinking, when the gunman told him "your money or your life"? He wasn't really considering suicide.

and a bucket of sh!t?

the bucket.

sorry but jokes that metaphorically/symboloically attach ethnic groups with vermin and have extermination in them are tasteless and bad. The problem with Mexicans is all in your frightened little heads. When you crawl out from under mommies bosom give us a call.

if being liberal is a mental disorder being a NeoCon is pure, unadulterated sociopathy

A tourist walks into a curio shop in Berlin. Looking around at
everything, he notices a very lifelike life-sized bronze statue of a
rat.

It has no price tag, but is so striking that he decides he must have
it.

He takes it to the owner and asks, "How much for ze bronze rat?"

The owner replies, "12 DM for the rat and 100 DM for the story".

The tourist gives the man 12 DM and says, "I'll just take the rat, you
can keep ze story."

As he walks down the street carrying his bronze rat, he notices that a
few real rats have crawled out of the alleys and sewers and begun
following him down the street.

This is disconcerting, and he begins walking faster. But within a
couple of blocks, the herd of rats behind him has grown to hundreds,
and
they begin squealing. He begins to trot toward the Bay, looking around
to see that the rats now number in the MILLIONS, and are squealing and
coming toward him faster and f aster.

Concerned, even scared, he runs to the edge of the river, and throws the
bronze rat as far out into the water as he can. Amazingly, the
millions
of rats all jump into the river after it and are all drowned.

The man walks back to the curio shop.

"Ah ha," says the owner, "you have come back for ze story?"

"No," says the man, "I came back to see if you have a bronze Jew, Homosexual or Gypsy."

ha haa haa hhaaa NOT!

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A tourist walks into a curio shop in Bay St. Louis Missisippi. Looking around at
everything, he notices a very lifelike life-sized bronze statue of a
rat.

It has no price tag, but is so striking that he decides he must have
it.

He takes it to the owner and asks, "How much for the bronze rat?"

The owner replies, "$12 for the rat and $100 for the story".

The tourist gives the man $12 and says, "I'll just take the rat, you
can keep the story."

As he walks down the street carrying his bronze rat, he notices that a
few real rats have crawled out of the alleys and sewers and begun
following him down the street.

This is disconcerting, and he begins walking faster. But within a
couple of blocks, the herd of rats behind him has grown to hundreds,
and
they begin squealing. He begins to trot toward the Ole Miss, looking around
to see that the rats now number in the MILLIONS, and are squealing and
coming toward him faster and f aster.

Concerned, even scared, he runs to the edge of the Ole Miss, and throws the
bronze rat as far out into the water as he can. Amazingly, the
millions
of rats all jump into the river after it and are all drowned.

The man walks back to the curio shop.

"Ah ha," says the owner, "you have come back for the story?"

"No," says the man, "I came back to see if you have a bronze N!$$er."

yeah not racist or ethnic at all. what were we thinking

and a bucket of sh!t?

the bucket.

sorry but jokes that metaphorically/symboloically attach ethnic groups with vermin and have extermination in them are tasteless and bad. The problem with Mexicans is all in your frightened little heads. When you crawl out from under mommies bosom give us a call.

if being liberal is a mental disorder being a NeoCon is pure, unadulterated sociopathy

Actually, being a neocon, which is simply the left's way to re-cast conservativism as something that has morphed into an unacceptable evil, means seeing a situation for what it is, and having the maturity to deal with said situation accordingly. Which brings us back to the joke in question. As a neocon, or con, or fundi, or even anti-christ if you like, nobody suggested ethnic cleasing at any point.

Hey ATP, aren't you the guy that habitually suggests that Ann Coulter needs to be ass raped by you in order for everything to be right in the Universe? Wow, promoting ass rape to align social norms to your liking seems a bit harsh. I mean that's even worse than Nazis.

Or maybe your ass rape fantasies were your unfunny way of trying to be funny. Humor, what a fickle thing. Formula jokes about the current immgration situation are alot less harmless that your own unexplainable comments about all conservatives needing to be violated in the ugliest way. Perhaps you should examine that. I mean what if all of a sudden Hilllary Clinton started to advocate ass raping everyone left of her center?

Oh, wait a minute. Libs are the caretakers of irony, or is it really hypocrisy. I forget which one it is. Jokes make me so confused, that I just don't know what to think.

Shouldnt you be watching Star Trek the next generation where everyone lives in a perfect communist society?

The P.C. stuff has just got to go....

Seriously, you need to get your own shtick. That Star Trek crap has been done to death. ...since the 3rd grade.

/just checking the sand box - must get back to enjoying my time in Manhattan/

I did not alter the joke, it was emailed to me, and posted, unedited.


Oh yeah you're just propagating it so no problem then... Carry on Archie.

All jokes offend someone.

For example, in the following joke which group if offended? It is residents of Arkansas? Is it rednecks? Is it veterinarinans? Is it Baptists? Is it gorillas? Is it females? Is it males? Is it all the above?

Arkansas Gorilla Problem
A small zoo in Arkansas obtained a very rare species of gorilla. Within a few weeks the gorilla, a beautiful female, became very difficult to handle. Upon examination the zoo veterinarian determined the problem. The gorilla was in heat. To make matters worse, there was no male gorilla available.

Thinking about their problem, the zoo keeper thought of Bobby Lee Walton a redneck part-time worker responsible for cleaning the animal cages. Bobby Lee, like most rednecks, had little sense but possessed ample ability to satisfy a female of any species.

The zoo keeper thought they might have a solution. Bobby Lee was approached with a proposition. Would he be willing to mate with the gorilla for $500.00? Bobby Lee showed some interest but said he would have to think the matter over carefully. The following day he announced that he would accept their offer but only under four conditions.

"First", Bobby Lee said, "I ain't gonna kiss her on the lips." The keeper quickly agreed to this condition.

"Second", he said, "You can't never tell no one about this." The keeper again readily agreed to this condition.

"Third", Bobby Lee said, "I want all the children raised Southern Baptist." Once again, it was agreed.

"And lastly", Bobby Lee said, "I'll need another week to come up with the $500.00."

Oh yeah you're just propagating it so no problem then... Carry on Archie.

A tourist walks into a curio shop in San Francisco. Looking around at
everything, he notices a very lifelike life-sized bronze statue of a
rat.

It has no price tag, but is so striking that he decides he must have
it.

He takes it to the owner and asks, "How much for the bronze rat?"

The owner replies, "$12 for the rat and $100 for the story".

The tourist gives the man $12 and says, "I'll just take the rat, you
can keep the story."

As he walks down the street carrying his bronze rat, he notices that a
few real rats have crawled out of the alleys and sewers and begun
following him down the street.

This is disconcerting, and he begins walking faster. But within a
couple of blocks, the herd of rats behind him has grown to hundreds,
and
they begin squealing. He begins to trot toward the Bay, looking around
to see that the rats now number in the MILLIONS, and are squealing and
coming toward him faster and f aster.

Concerned, even scared, he runs to the edge of the Bay, and throws the
bronze rat as far out into the water as he can. Amazingly, the
millions
of rats all jump into the Bay after it and are all drowned.

The man walks back to the curio shop.

"Ah ha," says the owner, "you have come back for the story?"

"No," says the man, "I came back to see if you have a bronze Mexican, a
bronze Muslim cleric, a bronze Democrat, & anything French."

All jokes offend someone.

"And lastly", Bobby Lee said, "I'll need another week to come up with the $500.00."

First of all, let me just say that I almost wet myself laughing at this post. But, then I came to my senses and I realized that you were making fun of me because I have an ape avatar. Needless to say I was greatly offended.

Do you have any idea how many gorillas have been killed because of white man greed? When will this end?

One last thing. I would have paid double the amount to get a chance with that female.

A tourist walks into a curio shop in San Francisco.....

Damn if you aren't right. It's a hundred times funnier the second time around. Comedy is all about context and timing. Brother, you are the master of both. Good on you!

and I never said Ann needs to be ass raped. what I said is she looks an awful lot like a grownup version of a COLLEGE GIRL from years back that LET me go dark side. No rape at all. My insinuation is that there's a possibility that it twas her and it twas consentual. Please try to keep up. The only one who has rape fantasies is Ann herself, usually with Clinton, she's on record as saying such. So this point of yours, like most con points is based on ignorance of the facts and lame stereotyping with a Hilary bomb chaser. That earns you triple lame points.

as far as REAL ass rape fanatsies watch the videos from Abu Gharib, little boys in front of their mothers. You must be sooo proud.


we call you NEo cons because you have abandoned everything it means to be conservative. Pseudo-Con would be more accurate. Where'd the smaller, less obtrusive, spendthrift Govt go? Where did the "Don't trust a Nanny State" go?

better yet, might as well call it like it really is.

I'm absolutely amazed that in the 21st Century we still have this many Crackers in this country. I should invest in Cheez Whizz. Faux News in the last 3 days has had morew Cracker comments than I could imagine. "White people need to brred more" "The white christians are under attack"..... would be funny if it wasn't so sadly true

First of all, let me just say that I almost wet myself laughing at this post. But, then I came to my senses and I realized that you were making fun of me because I have an ape avatar. Needless to say I was greatly offended.

Do you have any idea how many gorillas have been killed because of white man greed? When will this end?

One last thing. I would have paid double the amount to get a chance with that female.

See that was a funny joke. I'm of Southron extraction myself and I certainly appreciate the humor.

Kendle's joke was offesive because it picked out specific ethnic groups and suggested an appropriate solution was extermination -- tossing them into the harbor to drown. the reason this is offensive -- since you have no clue -- is that humanity has this propencity to exterminate types of people (for real) that their type of people don't like. Since a lot of this type of behavior is going on this very minute, it is in bad taste. You wann call this PC? Fine. I found it in pretty bad taste and I thought I'd let Kendle know. I was hoping that perhaps he might have some sensitivity about stuff like that. I guess I was mistaken.

BTW, Snowflake's story (the ape in your avatar) is pretty sad. At least things got a lot better for him later in life once humans actually learned some things about ape behavior and applied them to modern zoos. In fact, you might argue that he was lucky to have been raisde in captivity since his poor eyesight from lack of pigment would have made him less able to survice in the wild.

An African American tourist walks into Madame Laveau's Voodoo shop in New Orleans. Looking around at everything, he notices a very lifelike life-sized bronze statue of a
rat.

It has no price tag, but is so striking that he decides he must have
it.He takes it to the owner and asks, "How much for the bronze rat?"

The owner replies, "$12 for the rat and $100 for the story".

The tourist gives the man $12 and says, "I'll just take the rat, you
can keep the story."

As he walks down the street carrying his bronze rat, he notices that a
few real rats have crawled out of the alleys and sewers and begun
following him down the street.

This is disconcerting, and he begins walking faster. But within a
couple of blocks, the herd of rats behind him has grown to hundreds,
and they begin squealing. He begins to trot toward the Lake Pontchatrain(SP sorry), looking around to see that the rats now number in the MILLIONS, and are squealing and
coming toward him faster and f aster.

Concerned, even scared, he runs to the edge of the Ole Miss, and throws the
bronze rat as far out into the water as he can. Amazingly, the
millions of rats all jump into the river after it and are all drowned.

The man walks back to the curio shop.

"Ah ha," says the owner, "you have come back for the story?"

"No," says the man, "I came back to see if you have a bronze cracker a$$ cracker."

See that was a funny joke. I'm of Southron extraction myself and I certainly appreciate the humor.

Kendle's joke was offesive because it picked out specific ethnic groups and suggested an appropriate solution was extermination -- .

You white people have no problem letting others offend you by letting them degrade your beliefs, and your culture. After all you, you tried to kill all the Jews and made blacks your slaves right?

So I think you should spend some more time feeling guilty about that, and making up for it by pronouncing yourself as the moral police of the world...

Freedom of speech? Yea who cares about that?

t's only important when it serves my agenda...

YFreedom of speech? Yea who cares about that?

You are free to speak it and I'm free to call you a a$$hat moreon racist for saying it.

You are free to speak it and I'm free to call you a a$$hat moreon racist for saying it.

So are you calling me an a$$hat moreon racist?

Or are you just saying you are free to call me an a$$hat moreon racist?

When you dont have the facts to back yourself up, then resort to name calling....
It seems to work for your kind (cracker)

but you should be more prudent with your words. As when you use your right you show yourself as a Cracker A$$(hat) Moreon.
Calling gripped a cracker, funny. You need to look up your definitions.

once again the words of Mark Twain ever ring true....

but you should be more prudent with your words. As when you use your right you show yourself as a Cracker A$$(hat) Moreon.
Calling gripped a cracker, funny. You need to look up your definitions.

once again the words of Mark Twain ever ring true....

I thought you were going to quote the Clash there:

You have the right to free speech...as long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it.

So are you calling me an a$$hat moreon racist?

Or are you just saying you are free to call me an a$$hat moreon racist?

When you dont have the facts to back yourself up, then resort to name calling....
It seems to work for your kind (cracker)

Okay, I stepped away from the computer for a little bit and took a big breath. The joke you told has racist aspects. You decided to distribue the joke here because you thought it was funny and probably thought it would stir things up -- and elicit typical libbie kneejerk reactions.

A joke that insinuates that exterminating a specific ethnicity is racist. How about if I stick up a little poll over in the Lounge asking whether your joke was in good taste or not?

Then you come back and talk about labor camps for Mexicans. You might as well put a target right on your back. Suggesting a specific ethnic group be interned in camps and forced to labor as indentured servants isn't funny. It just isn't. How about if I do a poll about that one too?

And yup, I'm a cracker. Although now that I'm all college educated and living on the left coast, my brethern might not recognize me anymore.

There may be plenty of great topical jokes about illegal immigration that are plenty funny. Find them and repeat them at will. But when a bunch of folks jump on you about a joke, try stepping back for a moment and try to understand what we are saying and think about how the joke might have been offensive. Maybe you could learn something.

All jokes offend someone.

For example, in the following joke which group if offended? It is residents of Arkansas? Is it rednecks? Is it veterinarinans? Is it Baptists? Is it gorillas? Is it females? Is it males? Is it all the above?

Arkansas Gorilla Problem
A small zoo in Arkansas obtained a very rare species of gorilla. Within a few weeks the gorilla, a beautiful female, became very difficult to handle. Upon examination the zoo veterinarian determined the problem. The gorilla was in heat. To make matters worse, there was no male gorilla available.

Thinking about their problem, the zoo keeper thought of Bobby Lee Walton a redneck part-time worker responsible for cleaning the animal cages. Bobby Lee, like most rednecks, had little sense but possessed ample ability to satisfy a female of any species.

The zoo keeper thought they might have a solution. Bobby Lee was approached with a proposition. Would he be willing to mate with the gorilla for $500.00? Bobby Lee showed some interest but said he would have to think the matter over carefully. The following day he announced that he would accept their offer but only under four conditions.

"First", Bobby Lee said, "I ain't gonna kiss her on the lips." The keeper quickly agreed to this condition.

"Second", he said, "You can't never tell no one about this." The keeper again readily agreed to this condition.

"Third", Bobby Lee said, "I want all the children raised Southern Baptist." Once again, it was agreed.

"And lastly", Bobby Lee said, "I'll need another week to come up with the $500.00."

yeah, but did he ever got the $500.00?

Oh man, I'm sorry I really owe you an apology. I didn't know that you only wanted to screw her in the ass because she reminded you of someone else that you screwed in the ass. I originally thought you wanted to anally rape Ms. Coulter. Thanks for clearing that up. Wow, was I way off.

Seems a little un-PC and un-lib like to go around viewing women as your personal sex objects, especially un-natural sex. I thought the old, " I can tell she wants it and wants it rough" was verboten to libs. Thanks for the education.

Maybe Ann talks about Clinton rape, because he was going around raping women. Three of his victums wrote a book about it. Maybe you should read it for some pointers.

Now, I don't know much about the specific charges of anal rape from Abu Gharib, but it sure wouldn't surprise me if you are correct on that. Captured US pilots from the first Iraq war were taken from one Iraq military base to another where the Iraqi officers raped them. Sounds like a little pay back might have taken place at Abu. War is Hell!

We agree on the neo-con stuff. Thanks for the 411 on it, I really didn't know much about what was behind the term. And, like I said I couldn't agree more with you. We need to return to the type of conservatism as you described it here:

Where'd the smaller, less obtrusive, spendthrift Govt go? Where did the "Don't trust a Nanny State" go?

So I guess that I'm not a neocon. I'm more of a radical independant like Jay Severin aka Jimmy Severino. Besides I can't eat Cheez Whiz anymore. I'm on a diet.

the item mentioned below, under penalty of getting your hand chopped off.



[QUOTE=KendleFox]A tourist walks into a curio shop in San Francisco.
"No," says the man, "I came back to see if you have a , a
bronze Muslim cleric,

You white people have no problem letting others offend you by letting them degrade your beliefs, and your culture. After all you, you tried to kill all the Jews and made blacks your slaves right?

So I think you should spend some more time feeling guilty about that,...

foul. :rolleyes:

Okay, I stepped away from the computer for a little bit and took a big breath. The joke you told has racist aspects. You decided to distribue the joke here because you thought it was funny and probably thought it would stir things up -- and elicit typical libbie kneejerk reactions.

Actually at the time I posted the joke, I had no idea anyone would get offended, and it was not my intent. Knowing that people actually were offended by an absurd joke of pure fiction, just made it that much more funny to me.
A joke that insinuates that exterminating a specific ethnicity is racist. How about if I stick up a little poll over in the Lounge asking whether your joke was in good taste or not?

I have in no way advocated the extermination of any race. You are more then welcome to put up a poll, and I’m sure we both know what the outcome of it will be. If you want to get technical, most illegal’s in our country can swim, proof being, many crossed the Rio Grande to get into America. You argument does not hold any water (pun intended)

Then you come back and talk about labor camps for Mexicans. You might as well put a target right on your back. Suggesting a specific ethnic group be interned in camps and forced to labor as indentured servants isn't funny. It just isn't. How about if I do a poll about that one too?

Here is the quote you are referring to

We start putting them in a labor camp jail for 1 year, and pay them 10 dollars a day.

We put them to work, in their new comfy labor camp.

We charge the corporations 20 dollars a day per person for our new labor force

At the end of the year, we give them a choice....

Go back from where you came from, or you can buy a green card for 3,000, which will be good for 2 years....

If they go back, our Gov makes 3,650.

If they stay, our Gov makes 6,650

Note: KendleFox freely admits he is not good at math...

How about reading the words, instead of what you want to see?

Do you see the word Mexican in this quote?

No you don’t, because I wasn’t referring to Mexicans.

I was referring to illegals who have broken the law, just like all the prisoners in AZ who work on chain gangs.
And yup, I'm a cracker. Although now that I'm all college educated and living on the left coast, my brethern might not recognize me anymore.?

Here is the bottom line for you.

I’m not going to apologize for posting a joke.

Now if I was targeting a specific person such as yourself, and I called you something that offended you…

Then I would be more then happy to step back and apologize personally to you.

J have ya ever thought some girls LIKE IT that way?. Going darkside isn't something you break out on a girl, especially on a first meeting. If one does get such an honor so quickly it is always at her reqest. Though you are from the white and uptight side of the coin so I understand that the only way you can ever imagining this happening is by force. So again this is in no way objectifying women as a plaything, it is consensual acts between adults, and again that is from your NeoCon mindset, how sad. Yeah us libbies and all our kinky love. The difference is we're 'all good with it' whereas your side is all closeted and conflicted about it.
This is why so may F-500 types are members to private S&M clubs or dominatrix johns. Or the Jimmy Swaggert type of repressed pervert.
So Ann looks a dead ringer for some dirty girl who took me home from a show. Most likely wanted to get all nasty with a musician cause Daddy would hate it. Much like many "Southern Belle" Co-eds who bang Black athletes before they settle down to Mr.CPA. Ann talks about Bill cause she harbors fantasies about him, which again shows like every uptight con chick, she's a dirty girl inside (which gives my point some legs)

Uh, Mr Gorilla, we're America defenders of Truth and Freedom. We don't get even, we're supposed to be better than our savage enemies. Finally, if we were 'getting even' why wouldn't we rape their officers, what did an 11 year old boy and his mom do?

my guess,it's just more sick, repressed NeoCon sexual behavior

I don’t think this joke is a racist joke in the slightest, as there weren’t any disparaging terms used.



Well there's a certain analogy considering a certain type of rodent and some nationalities etc. for instance. In fact it's the pointe of the joke. Get it?

I was referring to illegals who have broken the law, just like all the prisoners in AZ who work on chain gangs.

With that in mind, I think I'll be more inclined to cut you some slack on your proposed solution. It's still a terrible idea but I will grant you that you didn't intend it in a racist way -- it just comes across that way.

I apologize for flying off the handle -- but that post about labor camps is just attrocious even if you didn't mean it as such.

About the poll ... if you won't take the opinions of your peers, then who are you going to listen to? Societal norms dictate a lot of our behavior. How do you know that your behavior is outside of those norms? People let you know.

With that in mind, I think I'll be more inclined to cut you some slack on your proposed solution. It's still a terrible idea but I will grant you that you didn't intend it in a racist way -- it just comes across that way.

Thank you. I can agree it’s not a great idea. Maybe a work zone within America would be more appropriate? Then stiffer penalties can be applied to those who enter the “no work zone”

I apologize for flying off the handle -- but that post about labor camps is just attrocious even if you didn't mean it as such.

Thank you. I too should not have escalated my post, and I apologize for allowing myself to get worked up to the point to where I wanted to kick somebody in the nuts really hard…

About the poll ... if you won't take the opinions of your peers, then who are you going to listen to? Societal norms dictate a lot of our behavior. How do you know that your behavior is outside of those norms? People let you know.

I always listen to the opinions of others, and I’d like to think that I take with me the best, and leave the rest behind.

I don’t contest that the joke may offend others. What I contest is others thinking that I posted it to offend others.

I don’t contest that the joke may offend others. What I contest is others thinking that I posted it to offend others.

Like I said, I got all worked up about the combo of the labor camps/joke discussion and their close temporal proximity. I don't think you posted the joke to offend people. I'm sure that you would only metaphorically approve of drowning the mentioned groups. We all realize it was a JOKE. Humor is great at defusing tensions or poking fun at ridiculous situations. Still, there are inappropriate jokes and I'll stand by my opinion that that was one of them. Before we both went ballistic, I tried to explain my reasoning. Atp tried explaining by substituting other groups that definitely weren't so funny.

In general you seem to want to be pretty fair about stuff -- even if you talk right out of your butt sometimes. But then again, I've done my fair share of booty talkin' too.

about a little genocide?

let's make one up about infected blankets and the trail of tears. that'll be a real Knee slapper.

Please note:

The words and opinions of KendleFox do not necessarily represent or reflect the words and opinions of this thread and by no means represent an endorsement of the drowning of Rats, Mexicans, Muslim clerics, Democrats, & anything French. :)

Please note:

The words and opinions of KendleFox do not necessarily represent or reflect the words and opinions of this thread and by no means represent an endorsement of the drowning of Rats, Mexicans, Muslim clerics, Democrats, & anything French. :)Has anyone objected to drowning the French?

U-R right. I am missing your point. Given your lengthy explanation I can only come to one conclusion, "good thing you haven't given it much thought."

After your definition of what constitutes a neo-con, which I appreciate, I realize that I am not one, so please resist referring to me as a neo-con from now on. I am a radical independent if you please.

As to the Iraq children and their moms. I don't know! Your earlier post was the first that I had heard about anything of the sort. Maybe the horror that you saw was propganda footage staged by the same types that have been using the mainstream media like soap for a couple of years now. Maybe, but maybe not. Again, I don't know.

Let's suppose that the footage was in fact true, which I have no idea about, but what the hell, I'm feeling generous. So I will stipulate that your premise begs an answer to "why take out previous pain on 11 year olds and their moms?" I can only imagine that it was a case of "proximity of the moment." You know, the phenomenom of a wounded individual placed into a random circumstance that matches a previous past pain, the said individual is likely to lash out in order to assuage its past pain by taking an upper hand and thus reversing the previous victum role.

Could it be possible that this is the case with the dirty little southern gal that took you home at the famous show you so often wax eloquent abou? Were you just reversing the roles by taking advantage of a random girl who wanted to send a statement to her parents as you yourself have suggested? What other dark memories are you "allright with in a libby kinky love way?"

Forget it, I really don't care. However, I would like to know how much in extra taxes you paid last year in order to pay for all of the "do or die" libbie spending plans. Give a dollar amount or a percentage if you want to protect yourself from the IRS.

So how much?

Please note:

The words and opinions of KendleFox do not necessarily represent or reflect the words and opinions of this thread and by no means represent an endorsement of the drowning of Rats, Mexicans, Muslim clerics, Democrats, & anything French. :)

Kendle, babe, c'mon. I never took you for the fold under libbie pressure type.

Keep the faith brother. When you are right you are right. Further more, when a bunch of left wing bed-wetters loose it over a formula joke, you don't fold up the tents and go home.

Libs go all wacky over the slightest perceived transgression of PC. Ignore it. Babies cry in their play pens everyday, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be kept safe and sound by the security of their play area. Surely you are savvy to their women like ups and downs by now.

Put the game face back on man. I'm not so sure about the third person thing, but hey, we all have our own style here.

I've resisted jumping in this long... so I don't know why I'm doing it now. Chalk it up to be being bored and wanting to put off my paper a little bit longer...

Jokes do not just appear out of nowhere.

Jokes do not "not mean anything."

Jokes are produced by people, through culture. And they say MUCH more about culture, the people who find them amusing, and who spread the joke than most people would give credit to. Jokes do not just appear out of thin air.

See: Dead baby jokes, wide mouthed frog jokes, alligator jokes, etc.

Why does British humor suck? Because I'm not British.

All jokes say somethng about culture. Wheather it's something we value, hate, love, or could give a damn about, they say speak to us.

Jokes that make light of killing off ethnic groups are not innocent. They say something about our culture, our values, and how we think.




joe

I've resisted jumping in this long... so I don't know why I'm doing it now. Chalk it up to be being bored and wanting to put off my paper a little bit longer...

Jokes do not just appear out of nowhere.

Jokes do not "not mean anything."

Jokes are produced by people, through culture. And they say MUCH more about culture, the people who find them amusing, and who spread the joke than most people would give credit to. Jokes do not just appear out of thin air.

See: Dead baby jokes, wide mouthed frog jokes, alligator jokes, etc.

Why does British humor suck? Because I'm not British.

All jokes say somethng about culture. Wheather it's something we value, hate, love, or could give a damn about, they say speak to us.

Jokes that make light of killing off ethnic groups are not innocent. They say something about our culture, our values, and how we think.

joe

Thank you Joe.

This is a very good post and I like the perspective you present to it.

If someone had posted something like this in the beginning, I might have reconsidered my position, and edited out portions of the joke.

However, I was attacked by the same ol people with the same ol song and dance, so I took my usual devil’s advocate position, and dug in.

The truth is I don’t care much for debates like this. It’s not like any ideas from this thread are going to change the world.

There are much better ideas and debates to be had elsewhere…

Kendle, babe, c'mon. I never took you for the fold under libbie pressure type.

Keep the faith brother. When you are right you are right. Further more, when a bunch of left wing bed-wetters loose it over a formula joke, you don't fold up the tents and go home.

Libs go all wacky over the slightest perceived transgression of PC. Ignore it. Babies cry in their play pens everyday, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be kept safe and sound by the security of their play area. Surely you are savvy to their women like ups and downs by now.

Put the game face back on man. I'm not so sure about the third person thing, but hey, we all have our own style here.

Your right, and thank you for the kind words of encouragement.

The truth is I grew tired of this debate, as the original intent of my post was just to put up a quick joke I thought was humorous. I posted the joke, because I thought the Democrats here would get a kick out of it.

Little did I know, I’d be tagged as a Mexican racist? Considering I’ve spent most of my life in the South West, I was deeply offended and allowed myself to surpass my own standards of proper etiquette.

I needed to defuse the situation, so moderators like Dr. Hoo don’t have to step in. I truly enjoy this web site and it’s people, and do not wish to be banned from it. At the same time, Gripped stepped in and helped to smooth things out, which made it easier for me to resign from the situation.

The last of me has not been seen.

I still have my stick…

They still have their left-wing nutless ant pile of an army…

And I’m gonna poke that S-H_I_T like atpjunkie pokes Ann Courter :)

I'll say this, the biggest joke of all-time is in the White House. Ba-dump-bump!! Two shows a night, six nights a week.

Just tryin' to keep it political folks...

Kendle, beyond our exchanges here I don't know you from Adam. I don't know what's in your heart of hearts, but I'd like to think you're not a racist. I do believe that people who make racist jokes are racist. Most will go to their grave thinking they're not being racist, that "it's only a joke." But they are venting/practicing their racist thoughts on a semi-subconscious level, where racism tends to flourish.

The "joke" equates groups of people to rats. It wishes those people the same fate as the dirty disease ridden vermin.

Racism is ingrained deep within our society. It rarely comes out in the form of the KKK or other hate groups. It's now much more subtle. There's a commercial on TV that's a perfect example of what racism is about in today's society. Two women are on an elevator, one black the other white. The elevator stops at a floor and two young black dudes get on. The white woman secures her purse. Subconsciously, she is thinking racist thoughts. She feels threatened for no other reason except for the fact that these dudes were young and black. Her friend gives her crap about what she did. The white woman still clueless about her behavior walks away dumbstruck.

Like I said, I don't know you from Adam... We only have our written words to judge the character of the people on this board.

I did happen to see you blow a gasket though. Even that was funnier than the joke.

* As he steps off his soapbox and kicks it aside. *

Now, back to our regular entertainment... Isn't it amazing that the Reps got caught jamming the phonelines at the Democrat offices during the 2004 election? The funding supposedly came from Abramoff and his tribes...

2006 Republican slogan: "We don't need ethics with God on our side."

I did happen to see you blow a gasket though. Even that was funnier than the joke.

* As he steps of his soapbox and kicks it aside. *

Now, back to our regular entertainment... Isn't it amazing that the Reps got caught jamming the phonelines at the Democrat offices during the 2004 election? The funding supposedly came from Abramoff and his tribes...

2006 Republican slogan: "We don't need ethics with God on our side."

Spydy!!!

You seen my gasket lately?

I seem to have developed some anger management issues since participating in the PO

I recall digging through the PO a few months back and thinking it was full of hate and bickering. Little did I know I’d join in on it.

In regards to your usual slam on the republicans, I’m still getting through Al’s book.
He does mention the Fears/Smears/Queers tactics. Right now I’m still on the fears portion of the book (CH 1) so I will hold back my critique until I’ve finished reading the book.

I keep the book in my bathroom, so every time I’m reading it, I’m taking a s_h_i_t at the same time.

I hope you can appreciate the irony ;)

Even if Jesus himself came back and was the Republican nominee in either '06/'08, I wouldn't vote for him.

I'm glad you're relieving yourself of Republican waste while reading Dear Al's book. In with the good, out with the bad. :)

"And lastly", Bobby Lee said, "I'll need another week to come up with the $500.00."

ROTFLMAO! No offense to any of our friends from the south, but that is a nasty.

I've been raised in some amazing multicultural communities, and a few jokes are always great. Here in Canada, you are from somewhere else first and then Canadian. Getting together with a few Indians, Italians, Finns, Ukranians and telling jokes is a great time. It lightens everyone up.

About the OP joke, imagine it being told in Hawaii with a Tiki statue of an WASPy American figurine.

The original version of this, which I probably heard a decade ago, was as a lawyer hoke (wanting a version of one that was a lawyer, bad-dump-bump). The fact that it has been "updated" to mention ethnic groups makes it a little beyond QUESTION that it has racist overtones, seems to me.

And you can bet that if you substituted Christian evangelical for "muslim cleric" , James Dobson, Pat Roberton, and Jerry Falwell would be complaining how oppressed their people are.

The original version of this, which I probably heard a decade ago, was as a lawyer hoke.

Damn, I didn't think the joke could get any funnier, but making it about lawyers is even better. Just imagine how funny it would be if the guy went back into the shop and asked for a gay mexican mulslim lawyer of french descent who votes democratic.

Damn, I didn't think the joke could get any funnier, but making it about lawyers is even better. Just imagine how funny it would be if the guy went back into the shop and asked for a gay mexican mulslim lawyer of french descent who votes democratic.


Yes, well too bad you can't see the difference between silly jokes about Aggies/Lawyers/Blondes/whatever and jokes about racial and ethnic minority groups.

I count this one of the uglier threads we've had in a while, and I feel no need to dive in any further.

Yes, well too bad you can't see the difference between silly jokes about Aggies/Lawyers/Blondes/whatever and jokes about racial and ethnic minority groups.

I count this one of the uglier threads we've had in a while, and I feel no need to dive in any further.

Too Bad indeed. Do me a favor and get extra incensed for me. I love how libs pick and choose their righteous indignation. I also love how they want to see the ignorant, isn't that what you think of all conservatives, pay for their ingnorance otherwise come to ill will. That pretty much sums up the left wing poster child Al Franken's rants, doesn't it?

SO What if there is a joke about illegal immigrants? Is your psyche actually that fragile?Or are you just worried about all those weak minded inviduals out there that upon hearing such a hateful joke will snap and start a new holocaust.

Get real. If you read ethnic cleansing into that joke you are the one with the sick mind.

SO What if there is a joke about illegal immigrants? Is your psyche actually that fragile?Or are you just worried about all those weak minded inviduals out there that upon hearing such a hateful joke will snap and start a new holocaust.

Get real. If you read ethnic cleansing into that joke you are the one with the sick mind.The problem I have with this kind of "joke", aside from it not being that funny, is that it isn't about illegal immigrants. There is no reference to illegal anythings in this

"I came back to see if you have a bronze Mexican, a
bronze Muslim cleric, a bronze Democrat, & anything French."

The butts of the joke are specific groups. It says Mexicans, not illegal immigrants from Mexico. Not only that it uses the Pied Piper story where Hamlin is cleansed of vermin. It's the kind of joke that would go down well with racists, homophobes, and any other group of hateful people.

Anything that dehumanises a specific group of our society in this way, whether they be women, gays, muslims, Chinese, Jewish or Catholic, degrades all of us.

Take the piss out of people for their actions, but when you target or group them together by race, colour or religion etc it is a very slippery slope. If you choose to make the joke be prepared for me to regard you as a racist/sexist/bigot etc.

Well said ultimobici.

Well said ultimobici.

Uh oh, Snap is watching!!!

Hurry up, hide the rigged voting machines. :D .

Too Bad indeed. Do me a favor and get extra incensed for me. I love how libs pick and choose their righteous indignation. I also love how they want to see the ignorant, isn't that what you think of all conservatives, pay for their ingnorance otherwise come to ill will. That pretty much sums up the left wing poster child Al Franken's rants, doesn't it?

SO What if there is a joke about illegal immigrants? Is your psyche actually that fragile?Or are you just worried about all those weak minded inviduals out there that upon hearing such a hateful joke will snap and start a new holocaust.

Get real. If you read ethnic cleansing into that joke you are the one with the sick mind.


You've obviously confused me with either someone else or an exaggerated stereotype of your own making. Before you delve into ad hominem attacks, perhaps you could spend enough time understanding who you are attacking. Or, even better, you could have stuck to your opinions of the issues rather than trying to find a way to attack me personally etc.

Thanks.

Uh oh, Snap is watching!!! :D .

Oh baby, I'm always watching....making my list......

You've obviously confused me with either someone else or an exaggerated stereotype of your own making. Before you delve into ad hominem attacks, perhaps you could spend enough time understanding who you are attacking. Or, even better, you could have stuck to your opinions of the issues rather than trying to find a way to attack me personally etc.

Thanks.

Agree. Man I get tired of the personal attacks, too.

Of course the joke is offensive. Any time you are even implying that people die based upon their race, it's patently offensive, and I think we don't want those kinds of jokes here, because they are overly inflammatory.

Now, substitute "lawyers" for "Mexicans," and I'm sure everyone would think it's hilarious. ;-)

You've obviously confused me with either someone else or an exaggerated stereotype of your own making. Before you delve into ad hominem attacks, perhaps you could spend enough time understanding who you are attacking. Or, even better, you could have stuck to your opinions of the issues rather than trying to find a way to attack me personally etc.

Thanks.

Telling you that your reaction to the joke is direct result of your having a fragile psyche is not an ad hominem attack. It is a direct assessment of your personal weakness.

How is it not a personal attack to say, "just like that are evil and those that spread them are advocating ethnic cleansing"? Is that not a personal attack on the teller because you have adopted the ol' hate the joke not the joke teller mentallity?

Don't slippery slope me. If you read ethnic cleansing into the origianl joke then you are weak-minded, end of story. The reason it is personal is because it is your personal mind that is weak.

Do I really need to explain humor to you? Well, I don't mind doing it. Humor is the explosive mental energy created when an unexpected element is added to a perceived context. The context of the joke was that the man would return to the curio shop and pay to hear the $100 story. The unexpected element did not extoll genocide. It implied that a simple completely out of left field phenomenom could solve serious problems in our culture. Those problems being illegal immigrants, radical muslims, the American communist left, and the french.

You see jokes don't work, meaning that tiny mental explosion can't take place, if there is a long winded "hey this in no way advocates actual murder of said groups" disclaimer attached. Such a disclaimer simply kills the buzz.

I realize any joke that doesn't have as a punch line, Busk did it, or Bush sucks, or anything negative about Bush is going to be hard for a liberal to absorb. Such is the mental disorder that creates liberals.

Cry me a river if you want. Don't get a handle on your own hypocrisy is you must. But, don't go on and on about slippery slopes and degradation of minority groups, because we're still talking about a joke. Don't get the joke. It doesn't matter to me. And don't waste my time telling me that I'm Hitler's bastard stepson either.

Joke's don't kill millions of people, People that don't understand jokes kill millions of people. Grow UP!

Jbrumm,

That's just it. There IS something wrong with making jokes about advocating killing groups of people. Kinda reminds me of how our society handled slavery and the lynching of African-Americans. It dehumanizes people so the weak minded like Kendle, or yourself, look the other way when the serious shat goes down.

Hey, I know, lets make jokes advocating the raping and torture of little girls. Nothing wrong with that because it's just a joke, right?

Jbrumm,

That's just it. There IS something wrong with making jokes about advocating killing groups of people. Kinda reminds me of how our society handled slavery and the lynching of African-Americans. It dehumanizes people so the weak minded like Kendle, or yourself, look the other way when the serious shat goes down.

Hey, I know, lets make jokes advocating the raping and torture of little girls. Nothing wrong with that because it's just a joke, right?

I didn't read anything about rape or torture or even murder for that matter in that joke. Not a single memeber or any group was injured in this joke.

It's not worth discussing anymore. Why don't you continue to cry in your play pen, and I'll get back to work.

How is it not a personal attack to say, "just like that are evil and those that spread them are advocating ethnic cleansing"? Is that not a personal attack on the teller because you have adopted the ol' hate the joke not the joke teller mentallity?

And don't waste my time telling me that I'm Hitler's bastard stepson either.

Joke's don't kill millions of people, People that don't understand jokes kill millions of people. Grow UP!


Like I said, you've obviously confused me with someone else. I said nothing of the things you cite to justify your venom. We have lots of great exchanges, even arguments here, without folks resorting to the level of personal insult you've shown here.

This isn't about your politics (which yes, I don't share) it is about your style. I think there are better ways to contribute to the exchange of ideas in P.O. than to take a name calling blow torch to the room.

Joke's don't kill millions of people, People that don't understand jokes kill millions of people. Grow UP!
Jokes can pave the way for it though.

I didn't read anything about rape or torture or even murder for that matter in that joke. Not a single memeber or any group was injured in this joke.

It's not worth discussing anymore. Why don't you continue to cry in your play pen, and I'll get back to work.

By your inane argument, if it's said as a joke it's meaningless? Well, that's just not true. Lets say you jokingly advocate the murder of the president. You are likely to get a visit from SS/FBI. And, if you're lucky enough, when you stand in front of the judge and say "But your honor I was just joking..." I'm sure you'll get a lot of time in the clink to laugh at such witty humor.

Like it or not, jokes have meaning.

which are the cornerstone of bigotry.

no killing in that joke? wow you must lack implication skills.
here lemme explain. The Rats followed the statue jumped in the river and died
now the guy wants statues of .....

if you can't pick that up I think your avatar probably has better deductive skills.

next you'll tell us the "...the bad news is you are going as soap" joke