currently enjoying an 82% popularity rating, hugo chavez is proving to be an influence in emerging democracy in s. america, much to the expressed chagrin of a certain gen. craddock.

www.venezuelasolidarity.org.uk/ven/web/2006/articles/genie_bottle.html

this is the expression of true democracy in many forms, a region legitamately exerting control over it's own resources, government, banking, and altruistic activities.

this new band of leadership will not stoop to taking marching orders from the bushco petroleum syndicate, a true gesture of freedom and independence.

this turn of events begs the question, what really constitutes a friend of the us (populus, that is, not militarily enforced corporate interest) and the ideals of democracy, freedom, and independence, a region that has a popular democratically elected leadership and influence, as in present day so. america, or ones fabricated under intentionally deceptively premeditated premise, propped up to suit under us military invasion and occupation?

currently enjoying an 82% popularity rating, hugo chavez is proving to be an influence in emerging democracy in s. america, much to the expressed chagrin of a certain gen. craddock.

www.venezuelasolidarity.org.uk/ven/web/2006/articles/genie_bottle.html

this is the expression of true democracy in many forms, a region legitamately exerting control over it's own resources, government, banking, and altruistic activities.

this new band of leadership will not stoop to taking marching orders from the bushco petroleum syndicate, a true gesture of freedom and independence.

this turn of events begs the question, what really constitutes a friend of the us (populus, that is, not militarily enforced corporate interest) and the ideals of democracy, freedom, and independence, a region that has a popular democratically elected leadership and influence, as in present day so. america, or ones fabricated under intentionally deceptively premeditated premise, propped up to suit under us military invasion and occupation?

Are you referring to great democratic leader Chavez? I see many posts here about the Bush administration and the constitution, ever done any reading on Chavez's use of his constitution. In his country, presidents are limited to 12 years (two 6 year terms), he wants to change that to three terms so he can run again although he has stated that he wants to be president for 25 years and may do so. A real beacon of hope in South America.

Democracy is important to South America, especially a democracy free of US influence, but Chavez's government is far too autocratic to be a role model.

Are you referring to great democratic leader Chavez? I see many posts here about the Bush administration and the constitution, ever done any reading on Chavez's use of his constitution. In his country, presidents are limited to 12 years (two 6 year terms), he wants to change that to three terms so he can run again although he has stated that he wants to be president for 25 years and may do so. A real beacon of hope in South America.

Democracy is important to South America, especially a democracy free of US influence, but Chavez's government is far too autocratic to be a role model.

Don't forget the military coup he tried to stage back in 1992...that doesn't sound very democratic. :rolleyes:

was verified by multiple outside oversight groups. W can't claim that for either 2000 or 2004. Oh he can't claim 82% popularity either. If Hugo Nationalizes their oil and goes to OilEuros expect an invasion.

autocratic, as in the people approving the articles of the constitution?
or yearly referendum votes?
at any rate, your objections appear to be an attempt to duck the fundamental issue of supporting the democracy of a region, developed of it's own organic processes, over conversley, imposing a deceptively, fabricated, militarily enforced bastardization of democracy by invasion and occupation.


Are you referring to great democratic leader Chavez? I see many posts here about the Bush administration and the constitution, ever done any reading on Chavez's use of his constitution. In his country, presidents are limited to 12 years (two 6 year terms), he wants to change that to three terms so he can run again although he has stated that he wants to be president for 25 years and may do so. A real beacon of hope in South America.

Democracy is important to South America, especially a democracy free of US influence, but Chavez's government is far too autocratic to be a role model.

and things like that do happen when overthrows are popularly in demand...
you know your history, should this not be allowed? these occurrences are predictable components of any nation and it's organic developments, after all.
if not, how would the us ever have been formed?




Don't forget the military coup he tried to stage back in 1992...that doesn't sound very democratic. :rolleyes:

and things like that do happen when overthrows are popularly in demand...
you know your history, should this not be allowed? these occurrences are predictable components of any nation and it's organic developments, after all.
if not, how would the us ever have been formed?

Military coups? Don't know if they should be or not...but historically, military takeovers don't result in the coming of a democratic savior and an increase in liberalism and human rights.

Just think you sound a little apologetic for a guy who once tried to use force to overthrow the government and install himself as dictator...I recall another person who tried to do that...then came back and won enough seats to have himself installed as chancellor...his name was....

GODWINNED!!!!

i have been accused of histrionics...
this comparison is stretch in terms of relevence to addressing the literal content of the original post, it would seem.

Military coups? Don't know if they should be or not...but historically, military takeovers don't result in the coming of a democratic savior and an increase in liberalism and human rights.

Just think you sound a little apologetic for a guy who once tried to use force to overthrow the government and install himself as dictator...I recall another person who tried to do that...then came back and won enough seats to have himself installed as chancellor...his name was....

GODWINNED!!!!

of the bush syndicate.
wasn't iraq trading in a certain "dinar" currency unholy to us corporate interest?
looks like oppurtunity and motive are clear...



was verified by multiple outside oversight groups. W can't claim that for either 2000 or 2004. Oh he can't claim 82% popularity either. If Hugo Nationalizes their oil and goes to OilEuros expect an invasion.

i have been accused of histrionics...
this comparison is stretch in terms of relevence to addressing the literal content of the original post, it would seem.

You are absolutely correct...perhaps if you re-couch your question without the dripping distaste for our current administration and simply ask the question...

Does the United States owe it to other democracies to back them...even if their vision of democracy is less or different than ours. Using the Hamiltonian maxim of that what makes good government in New England may be less so else where.

This could lead to answers such as...Since when do elections = freedom and liberalism. Remember, that as a person who backs a return to the Republic and an end to Democracy as it is currently defined...you may find some interesting answers to a less biased query.

I believe we should back democracies even if they are a tad unsavory to our palette. So much of the crap we are dealing with today seems to stem from putting business interests in front of our love of democracy. Our Iranian coup and it's horrible fallout being a prime example

I believe we should back democracies even if they are a tad unsavory to our palette. So much of the crap we are dealing with today seems to stem from putting business interests in front of our love of democracy. Our Iranian coup and it's horrible fallout being a prime example


because business interests and economic perspectives are PERMANENTLY intertwined with our understanding of and love for democracy. It will never be otherwise. I know most of the masses on this board seem to have something against big business, but in a capitalist society..that's the way it is. Or at least the way a pragmatist would look at it.

when our business interests turn us into an (economic) imperialist power our 'democracy loving beacon of light' becomes a tad dimmer. It wasn't always this way, this started right after 'big business' had to stop or slow the screwing over of American workers so it went overseas.

So what is more important to see democracy flourish or have really cheap goods?
that is what this boils down to.
If we look at Iran, our siding with business interests gave rise to Islamic Fundamentalism, America Hate and Terrorism which winds us up where we are today. I ask you,was it worth it?

Does that include supporting Hamas, or is that too unsavory?