gee they only overbilled us for 1.87 billion dollars

and that mus be for those unique programs like

a) Spoiled Food for the Troops is Good

and

b) Bath the Troops in water with poop

so why aren't you America Loving and Troop Loving patriots screaming for their heads?

gee they only overbilled us for 1.87 billion dollars

and that mus be for those unique programs like

a) Spoiled Food for the Troops is Good

and

b) Bath the Troops in water with poop

so why aren't you America Loving and Troop Loving patriots screaming for their heads?

"Stay the course &etc"

America hater

it's not as bad as the libbie press makes it look

bad news for libbies



/////have I covered it all?

what's 2 billion bucks among friends. why do you hate amerika ATP? Did TMB steal your fork again?

The thing that bugs me is that if the Clinton admin. had been giving massive no-bid contracts to a company of which Clinton or Gore had been CEO, and then that company was found to be ripping off the American people, the GOPers would be screaming corruption and calling for Clinton's head on a pike. Well, even more, that is.

I keep calling for intellectual honesty from the lefties on this board because that is the only place where I would expect to find it :p

have committed a littany of offenses each of which individually had they been committed by Billary would have been a goldmine compared to Monica-Gate.

I'm sure it's just an honest mistake. A little here, a little there, and pretty soon it adds up to $1.87 billion. It could happen to anybody.

hasn't launched a probe or an oversight committee into any of it, it must be legal of course.

How can a troop supported back this stuff. They gave our boys and girls spoiled food and water contaminated with all kinds of stuff, including e coli. What makes it worse is they OVERCHARGED for providing this type of service.

this is where I get all hard lined. If I was president I'd charge these f'ers with treason during war time and have the entire top level of this company tried, (and if) convicted and shot.

hasn't launched a probe or an oversight committee into any of it, it must be legal of course.

How can a troop supported back this stuff. They gave our boys and girls spoiled food and water contaminated with all kinds of stuff, including e coli. What makes it worse is they OVERCHARGED for providing this type of service.

this is where I get all hard lined. If I was president I'd charge these f'ers with treason during war time and have the entire top level of this company tried, (and if) convicted and shot.

Committee doesn't do any good...they just pack it with people favorable to KBR and then issue a mild rebuke much later to say they did something. By then people will have forgotten all about this.

since they control the commitees nothing gets done and if they did start one it would be toothless. I'm using it to illustrate that this illegal, unethical behavior, like the Presidents doesn't come to light because of the partisanship in Congress,not because it isn't illegal.

hasn't launched a probe or an oversight committee into any of it, it must be legal of course.

How can a troop supported back this stuff. They gave our boys and girls spoiled food and water contaminated with all kinds of stuff, including e coli. What makes it worse is they OVERCHARGED for providing this type of service.

this is where I get all hard lined. If I was president I'd charge these f'ers with treason during war time and have the entire top level of this company tried, (and if) convicted and shot.

But they're Dick Cheney's boys, so perhaps he's doin' some selective shooting? ;)

At least they can hold KBR accountable for $2 billion. $2 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to the $10 billion that's still unaccounted for. I guess the neo-dumb will glaze over this and call it "the cost of war..." or "War is expensive...etc." Why do you hate America???

I guess we're supposed to just look the other way when Dick's war profiteer's rape and pillage and at the expense of our troop's safety, and well-being, on the taxpayer dime? Where is the outrage?

If you are so Pro America and Pro Troops how can you just sit there and not be outraged that they are profitewering WHILE endangering the troops. Just doesn't make sense, but they rarely do

Err, you realize KBR's been doing no-bid military contracts for quite a while, right?

At least as far back as the Kosovar conflict and possibly a lot longer.

Was everyone mad then too? Just asking, is all.

I guess we're supposed to just look the other way when Dick's war profiteer's rape and pillage and at the expense of our troop's safety, and well-being, on the taxpayer dime? Where is the outrage?

Which begs the obvious question: why does Cheney hate America and our troop so much??!? :thumbsup:

Err, you realize KBR's been doing no-bid military contracts for quite a while, right?

At least as far back as the Kosovar conflict and possibly a lot longer.

Was everyone mad then too? Just asking, is all.

but the difference being the present contracts have very little oversight. No congressional inquiries into all the overbillings, no big time audits. If they'd have done such back then they would have received far quicker investigations.

Part of the Military is alreay cancelling their contracts with Hal and KBR at least their auditors know when they are getting robbed

From what I can find, the contracts aren't being cancelled, the term is ending and insteading of just renewing the contract for KBR the Army is allowing bids again, and planning on having more than one contractor doing the work. Halliburton/KBR will be allowed to bid again, along with Grumman and L/P.

And the 2005 contracts appear to have been open-bid, instead of no-bid.

As far back as WWII, Brown and Root was winning bids for the US military, into Vietnam, certainly during the Kosovar conflict, and now in Iraq. The GAO has complained and alleged things after the completion of several of those contracts.

Having personally been on several KBR-run military installations, I can say my personal experience with their work has been very positive. Camp Able Sentry was a virtual playground compared to the USS Trenton.

Having personally been on several KBR-run military installations, I can say my personal experience with their work has been very positive. Camp Able Sentry was a virtual playground compared to the USS Trenton.

For what these things have cost us, they damn well better be good.

Was Able Sentry over budget too? That was built back in 1998/1999 maybe?

From what I can find, the contracts aren't being cancelled, the term is ending and insteading of just renewing the contract for KBR the Army is allowing bids again, and planning on having more than one contractor doing the work. Halliburton/KBR will be allowed to bid again, along with Grumman and L/P.

And the 2005 contracts appear to have been open-bid, instead of no-bid.

As far back as WWII, Brown and Root was winning bids for the US military, into Vietnam, certainly during the Kosovar conflict, and now in Iraq. The GAO has complained and alleged things after the completion of several of those contracts.

Having personally been on several KBR-run military installations, I can say my personal experience with their work has been very positive. Camp Able Sentry was a virtual playground compared to the USS Trenton.

Stop with the facts!!! We'll have no fact here, facts are not allowed, they get in the way of our moronic billowing!

Halliburton and KBR's contracts (from what I can find) were supposedly 5 year deals. They are opening to bids after 3.

I'm glad your experience was positive, again I'll chalk that up to the fact that they used to be a little more under the microscope. I'm sure all those military members who have bathed and possibly ingested contaminated water and been fed spoiled food won't have such glowing revues.

but I just don't recall 8 Billion dollars turning up missing in any other campaigns. I also don't recall contractors playing football with stacks of cash or palettes of dough being dropped off and guys showing up with duffel bags to get paid.

As far as the glowing reviews go, three of my co-workers have returned recently from Iraq, all were stationed at different bases from 2004-2006. All three of them expressed amazement at the amenities and facilities provided at the bases they were on.

I don't know for sure that they were on KBR installations, as I didn't ask. But I assume that since KBR has such a purported stranglehold on military contracts, the bases they were stationed on were KBR-built. It's just anecdotal evidence though. Do you have a link to the contaminated water reports? If not, I'll look it up in a minute, I agree that that's pretty deplorable.

And where did the 8 billion dollar figure come from? I thought they were overbudget 1.8 billion? Your hyperbole about football and palettes and duffel bags is just that, hyperbole. My father's lost two friends so far in Iraq, both KBR contractors that he's known and worked with for a long time. One of them we fished with quite a bit in recent years past.

I bet his wife and kids wish he had brought one of those duffel bags home, or perhaps tossed a football-sized stack of cash to them.

As far as the glowing reviews go, three of my co-workers have returned recently from Iraq, all were stationed at different bases from 2004-2006. All three of them expressed amazement at the amenities and facilities provided at the bases they were on.

I don't know for sure that they were on KBR installations, as I didn't ask. But I assume that since KBR has such a purported stranglehold on military contracts, the bases they were stationed on were KBR-built. It's just anecdotal evidence though. Do you have a link to the contaminated water reports? If not, I'll look it up in a minute, I agree that that's pretty deplorable.

And where did the 8 billion dollar figure come from? I thought they were overbudget 1.8 billion? Your hyperbole about football and palettes and duffel bags is just that, hyperbole. My father's lost two friends so far in Iraq, both KBR contractors that he's known and worked with for a long time. One of them we fished with quite a bit in recent years past.

I bet his wife and kids wish he had brought one of those duffel bags home, or perhaps tossed a football-sized stack of cash to them.

of course huffington is a 2 faced traitor to the GOP, but here is some info from her blog:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-rieckhoff/dirty-water-kbr-negligen_b_17429.html

also read the book Chasing Ghosts by Reickhoff who was a Lt. over there. He had nothing good to say about Halliburton:

http://www.nysun.com/article/619

Note...he was only able to tell his story because he was no longer on active duty so if you hear of a active soldier saying good things that's probably because they have no choice to say otherwise or they'd be court martialed.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-rieckhoff/dirty-water-kbr-negligen_b_17429.html

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/060806Lindorff.shtml


the 8 (or as this article says 9 Billion) that is unnaccounted for (not including the 1.87 billion KBR overcharge) in contractor money. The single largest chunk is about 1.5 billion unaccounted for.

the other 12 billion here was cash payments taken from Iraqi Money that was frozen in our
reserves. so much cash you could se it from space, 363 tons. Dropped off by truck where it was picked up by the contractors in duffel bags and played with.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1734939,00.html

http://www.corporatepolicy.org/topics/warprofiteerstalkingpts.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/dfi/2005/0629appalling.htm

Err, you realize KBR's been doing no-bid military contracts for quite a while, right?

At least as far back as the Kosovar conflict and possibly a lot longer.

You mean back when Cheney was merely CEO of Halliburton/KBR? That's probably not the best example.


From what I can find, the contracts aren't being cancelled, the term is ending and insteading of just renewing the contract for KBR the Army is allowing bids again, and planning on having more than one contractor doing the work.

Yes, and that happens in... 2009. We will all have completely forgotten about this whole KBR ordeal by then. The important thing is that it's a news item now and Joe Sixpack gets the false impression that the Bush admin. is doing something about the problem and "firing" Halliburton. False impressions are what really matter :rolleyes: