View Full Version : Andreu fired from Toyota-United
alem1583 07-26-2006, 08:02 AM Interesting little tidbit on Velonews:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html
What makes it all the more interesting to me is that Andreu, if I recall correctly, was involved in a similar exit as the USPS domestic DS a few years back. I wonder what the problem was...My guess is conflicting reports will come out, we never get the full story on things like this, take Ludwig's (possible) exit from T-Mobile.
Either way, I've been pretty impressed with Toyota-United this year. They definately show up to a lot of races, and they are sometimes the only team set up with a tent with stuff for people to buy and look at, pretty savvy. Oh yea, they win a lot too.
Interesting little tidbit on Velonews:
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10586.0.html
What makes it all the more interesting to me is that Andreu, if I recall correctly, was involved in a similar exit as the USPS domestic DS a few years back. I wonder what the problem was...My guess is conflicting reports will come out, we never get the full story on things like this, take Ludwig's (possible) exit from T-Mobile.
Either way, I've been pretty impressed with Toyota-United this year. They definately show up to a lot of races, and they are sometimes the only team set up with a tent with stuff for people to buy and look at, pretty savvy. Oh yea, they win a lot too.
What an a$$h0l3 -> Sean Tucker
brianmcg 07-27-2006, 04:08 AM I just think its because he sucked at his job. Just because you rode a bike once doesn't mean you will be a good director.
ultimobici 07-27-2006, 04:29 AM As he said himself, he had too much on his plate and wanted to spend some time with his family. Problem was that he elected to not do his job over going to the TdF. He would have known what his responsibilities were when Toyota appointed him and also when the TV station approached him. he could and should have said no to the TV, but didn't. If we took time out at short notice, because outside commitments encroached on our family time, our employers would be within their rights to fire us. Unapproved absense is a fireable offence.
Vel07 07-27-2006, 04:47 AM http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=67745
brianmcg 07-27-2006, 04:55 AM http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=67745
Too many Lance Armstong conspiracies in that thread.
ultimobici 07-27-2006, 05:06 AM http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=67745And what?
LA the bogeyman did it?
From what Andreu said, he made a choice. He had no confirmation from his holidaying colleague that it was ok, yet assumed because his juniors and riders agreed it was acceptable.
I work 5-6 days a week. I only get Sunday off most weeks. Let's say I'm offered a side job on a Sunday when I'm rota'd to work Saturday and my boss tells me to sort it with my supervisor regarding taking the Saturday off. If I can't raise him and ask my co-workers if they're ok with me missing the shift, I haven't got it approved and am wide open to being fired.
Poor Frankie wanted to go and work in France commentating for TV. 3 weeks hard work at the biggest, most exciting race in the cycling calendar. Who wouldn't/ But he made a commitment to Toyota and failed to meet his obligation. I'd have sacked him too.
bonkmiester 07-27-2006, 05:23 AM And what?
LA the bogeyman did it?
From what Andreu said, he made a choice. He had no confirmation from his holidaying colleague that it was ok, yet assumed because his juniors and riders agreed it was acceptable.
I work 5-6 days a week. I only get Sunday off most weeks. Let's say I'm offered a side job on a Sunday when I'm rota'd to work Saturday and my boss tells me to sort it with my supervisor regarding taking the Saturday off. If I can't raise him and ask my co-workers if they're ok with me missing the shift, I haven't got it approved and am wide open to being fired.
Poor Frankie wanted to go and work in France commentating for TV. 3 weeks hard work at the biggest, most exciting race in the cycling calendar. Who wouldn't/ But he made a commitment to Toyota and failed to meet his obligation. I'd have sacked him too.
...full story not out yet, but I am guessing that no one would terminate a "really valuable" employee ... maybe the value was only in Frankies eyes...
also, I find it hard to believe that during the 3 weeks of the TdF there was never any discussion of this, so to me Frankie's claims of surprise are suspect
ziggurat22 07-27-2006, 07:47 AM I'd believe that maybe he wasn't delivering at his job if the team wasn't that good during his tenure as co-director. However, Toyota-United seems to be a pretty damn good team. Frankie had to be doing something right in such a high profile role on a good team. It's kind of hard to slip into the fold and do a poor job in such a role with such good results.
Based only on what I've read here, this Sean Tucker guy is a d*ck. IMO, one unexcused absence is not a firable offense, I don't care what other boss-types think. A series or pattern, maybe two, perhaps, but not one.
JHawkWX 07-27-2006, 08:24 AM This story has about as much substance as Joe Bob's termination from the meat counter at Piggly Wiggly....
angemonkey 07-27-2006, 11:39 AM This story has about as much substance as Joe Bob's termination from the meat counter at Piggly Wiggly....
I see the comparison, they were both missing a lot of work, calling in sick or blowing off work without calling, cutomers were complaining that they smelled like alcohol. Meat cutting band saws are dangerous tools, I'd rather see Frankie find another line of work than walk around with missing digits.
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