So, the SCOTUS tells the Dictator-in-Chief in June that he can't perform military trials which would violate the Geneva Convention. He also can't introduce evidence that was obtained through torture cause that would violate the Constitution.

So, now the Dictator-in-Chief is trying to get Congress to rewrite laws that IMO would effectively be unconstitutional, which would then require them to amend the Constitution.

Anyone think any of this will happen during an election year?

BTW, is Bush just starting to realize that he's got a Republican controlled Congress, and that there are laws preventing him from doing what ever he pleases??? Why didn't he approach Congress like this with his Spying on America plan? Perhaps we'll find out during his impeachment.

Dee DEE Dee!

Bush and the Repubs are going to run these elections on the "war on terror". Makes sense to any Red Stater, no? Bush wants to be able to water board the bad guys but that damned constitution keeps getting in the way.

Rove and Co. are going to be saying, "Elect more Republicans to Congress. Together we can all shove the constitution into the paper shredder."

with the message of "Yer with us or agin us" so that if Congressmen fight this they'll be labeled 'terrorist enablers'. They are banking on the fact that most folks don't realize the things he's asking for have been already ruled Unconstitutional, or they'll spin it saying it was blocked by 'activist judges'. They want Dems to fight it so they can use it against them in campaign advertising. The big chink in the armor is that most of the Dems are running for office against incumbent Republicans, they don't vote on the issue so it can't be used against them.

The Dems need to get on this now, and just publish which SCOTUS members called it unconstitutional. Show how can we trust him on this when he was untrustworthy on this, this and this.

Exactly my thoughts, it's a ginormous red herring.

Sad our fearful leader doesn't have the character that Tony Blair is demonstrating. I wonder if he even understands?

All those nice men in Guantanamo Bay should be released. Preferably in California.

I didn't know that this was part of the move-on.org site. Yeah, those poor slobs at Gitmo, my heart bleeds for them. I've got something to help their pain, though I doubt the bleeding heart libs would appreciate it.

I didn't know that this was part of the move-on.org site. Yeah, those poor slobs at Gitmo, my heart bleeds for them. I've got something to help their pain, though I doubt the bleeding heart libs would appreciate it.

"Unless we all lock step, unless we all follow our leaders blindly there is no possible way we can remain free."

I didn't know that this was part of the move-on.org site. Yeah, those poor slobs at Gitmo, my heart bleeds for them. I've got something to help their pain, though I doubt the bleeding heart libs would appreciate it.

Yeah, they's all guilty. :eek:

How would you feel if someday China invaded the US and took you, or your spouse, and held you for four years without the ability to see a lawyer, or even know what the charges are against you?

You lose your job. You lose your house. Your children/wife/parents...etc. would think you're dead. Your wife would remarry.

Hell, you might as well be dead.

Is that what America is about? :mad:

Walk a mile.

You can blindly follow whoever you want 1201. If you want washington to tell you what to think, when to think, how to think ; be my guest. Everybody likes to rip the republicans but who is raising a fuss over some stupid azz movie; why that would be the liberal democrats. If somebody in government says "we don't like it, pull it" to a private company; isn't that censorship. I'm not sure but doesn't the 1st amendment have something to say about that. I'm tired of the hypocritical bs from the left. I don't trust either side. That is why I own something that can touch you from a long way away.

Well spyderMAN, most of these puke were caught on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq so that rules out the majority as innocent bystanders sitting on a fence, picking their nose, watching their poppy crop grow.
Another group was caught with the cooperation of other Moslem countries and sent to Gitmo because they had ties to Osama. Again, not what you would call innocent.
That leaves the minority that for what ever reason; maybe the wrong last name are locked up. Yes those should have their day in court. The rest of them can rot.

If China ever did invade the US, Yes I'd be dead because I would defend this country and believe me my wife would be right beside me. The question is would you? or would you run to them with open arms and flowers?

If China ever did invade the US, Yes I'd be dead because I would defend this country and believe me my wife would be right beside me. The question is would you? or would you run to them with open arms and flowers?

What country would be foolish enough to think that any invading army would be greeting with strewn flowers.:rolleyes:

You can blindly follow whoever you want 1201. If you want washington to tell you what to think, when to think, how to think ; be my guest. Everybody likes to rip the republicans but who is raising a fuss over some stupid azz movie; why that would be the liberal democrats. If somebody in government says "we don't like it, pull it" to a private company; isn't that censorship. I'm not sure but doesn't the 1st amendment have something to say about that. I'm tired of the hypocritical bs from the left. I don't trust either side. That is why I own something that can touch you from a long way away.

Geez for a second I thought you were talking about "The Reagans".

Need a refresher? (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20031105-122754-8502r.htm)

Okay, okay. Here's a cut and paste from the Washington Times:

"Misleading a smaller audience of viewers is not a noble response to the legitimate concerns raised about this program," said Ed Gillespie, chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC) yesterday.

{Snip}

The decision "does not address the central concern over historical accuracy," Mr. Gillespie said, calling for the series to be reviewed for historical accuracy and categorized "a fictionalized portrayal."

He made a similar request to CBS on Friday, and now suggests Showtime feature an onscreen "crawl" during the broadcast informing viewers that the series was fictional.

and if memory serves me right, they had the Reagan movie pulled correct?

No wonder you can continually lie to these folks, they have no memory.

'stupid movie' hmmmmm the most important moment in our nation's modern history and greatest tragedy and you think it is okay to intentionally rewrite history to defame one group of people while deflecting the blame from another group who is solely responsible.
Using the 5th anniversary to put out a 'fake' documentary to do nothing more than try to save a failing party and its failing policies from getting their pink slips in November.
Sad, truly sad.
I'm glad you think it's okay to use 9-11 for propaganda, really honors the 3000 who died

Yeah, they's all guilty. :eek:

How would you feel if someday China invaded the US and took you, or your spouse, and held you for four years without the ability to see a lawyer, or even know what the charges are against you?

You lose your job. You lose your house. Your children/wife/parents...etc. would think you're dead. Your wife would remarry.

Hell, you might as well be dead.

Is that what America is about? :mad:

Walk a mile.

Exactly, thats why we need to make sure we always win :)

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Well spyderMAN, most of these puke were caught on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq so that rules out the majority as innocent bystanders sitting on a fence, picking their nose, watching their poppy crop grow.
Another group was caught with the cooperation of other Moslem countries and sent to Gitmo because they had ties to Osama. Again, not what you would call innocent.
That leaves the minority that for what ever reason; maybe the wrong last name are locked up. Yes those should have their day in court. The rest of them can rot.

If China ever did invade the US, Yes I'd be dead because I would defend this country and believe me my wife would be right beside me. The question is would you? or would you run to them with open arms and flowers?


Wow, exracer, nice chest thumping. See, it's obvious you know you're wrong. You'd rather be dead than held captive for four years without seeing a lawyer or being charged. Think about what that does to the human soul?

How do you know most of those prisoners were captured on the field of battle? I recall more than a few hundred were released when it was discovered they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Perhaps you should also check into the reward system we were using when we rounded up all those "evil" people. Many were turned in just for the reward money.

So, you think it's the American way to hold someone without charging them for 4+ years? We're supposed to be better than the tyrants of the world. Yet, Bush seems to have put us right on the very same playing field. I mean, torture, kidnapping family members, murder, rape...etc. They're right up there with baseball, hotdogs, and apple pie. Riiight....

BTW, F you and the horse you rode in on! Don't ever again question my patriotism! I love this country more than you'll ever know! I've sacrificed in ways no one here will ever know.

Unlike you, at least I have the courage to stand up and question my government when I see them performing in an unAmerican way. Unlike you, I believe the President should be held to the highest standard.

and if memory serves me right, they had the Reagan movie pulled correct?

No wonder you can continually lie to these folks, they have no memory.

'stupid movie' hmmmmm the most important moment in our nation's modern history and greatest tragedy and you think it is okay to intentionally rewrite history to defame one group of people while deflecting the blame from another group who is solely responsible.
Using the 5th anniversary to put out a 'fake' documentary to do nothing more than try to save a failing party and its failing policies from getting their pink slips in November.
Sad, truly sad.
I'm glad you think it's okay to use 9-11 for propaganda, really honors the 3000 who died
It went from CBS which was airing in 100 million homes to Showtime which had 28 million subscribers. So yeah it was pulled and sent off to Siberia.

Really, I'm wrong, then prove it. Just don't tell me about it. Prove it. Give me facts, figures, names, places, dates. They should release the ones that they have no real evidence on and the ones they do; frankly I don't care about. The ex taliban or Al Qeada are better off at Gitmo than back in their own country. Do you think the Saudis, Jordanians or Afghans want someone with terrorist ties running around their country?

Please don't make the mistake of thinking I don't question the government. I question it every day. Political loyalties change in the blink of an eye. There are just certain things I can live with. Gee, I know, I don't have conscious. When you have done time in he11 then you can judge me.

Really, I'm wrong, then prove it. Just don't tell me about it. Prove it. Give me facts, figures, names, places, dates. They should release the ones that they have no real evidence on and the ones they do; frankly I don't care about. The ex taliban or Al Qeada are better off at Gitmo than back in their own country. Do you think the Saudis, Jordanians or Afghans want someone with terrorist ties running around their country?

Please don't make the mistake of thinking I don't question the government. I question it every day. Political loyalties change in the blink of an eye. There are just certain things I can live with. Gee, I know, I don't have conscious. When you have done time in he11 then you can judge me.

So what about the folks that they did hold there for several years and then released without trying them? Or charging them with anything?

Hey, I don't think anyone on here, regardless of political affiliations, would say let the bad guys go. But if these guys are so "bad", why haven't any of them been tried yet? How come none of them have been charged with anything? Are they going to be charged with anything? What are they there for? I think those are the questions that need to be answered. If they're guilty of something, prove it, collect the evidence, take them into a court of law, try them, convict or acquit them, and then follow the process.

So, the SCOTUS tells the Dictator-in-Chief in June that he can't perform military trials which would violate the Geneva Convention. He also can't introduce evidence that was obtained through torture cause that would violate the Constitution.

So, now the Dictator-in-Chief is trying to get Congress to rewrite laws that IMO would effectively be unconstitutional, which would then require them to amend the Constitution.

Anyone think any of this will happen during an election year?

BTW, is Bush just starting to realize that he's got a Republican controlled Congress, and that there are laws preventing him from doing what ever he pleases??? Why didn't he approach Congress like this with his Spying on America plan? Perhaps we'll find out during his impeachment.

Dee DEE Dee!


I hope you're stopped hyperventilating since you wrote this post. As usual you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

The SC didn't rule that the tribunals were unconstitutional, just that Bush needed Congressional approval for them.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/07/02/congress_hurries_to_create_military_tribunals_for_ detainees/



The Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, said he would introduce legislation on the
tribunals after the Fourth of July recess, which extends through this
week. Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada has said he wants to work
with the White House on crafting a bill to punish terrorists by using
legal procedures.

And the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman, Arlen Specter, Republican of
Pennsylvania, introduced a bill Thursday night, just hours after the
court's decision, that he said would balance the need for national
security with the need for due process.

...

In Thursday's Supreme Court ruling, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that
Congress could legalize the administration's military tribunal system. The
court also kept open the option of using the US court or military justice
systems.

The 'Dictator-in-Chief'.

Who he ?
Do you mean Crown Price Faisal of Saudi ?