This guy, still being held, without charges, has been deemed not dangerous. What is the deal?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15264274/

Yeah but I feel safer and my personal insecurity issues supersede his.

-- Actually, I must concede that the article is rather unclear to me.

This guy, still being held, without charges, has been deemed not dangerous. What is the deal?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15264274/

If the story is correct, he was picked up on immigration violation and does not wish to go back to Iran. What do you do with him?

The article does seem to be somewhat murky for lack of details. The only thing I can gather for sure is that he was tortured, he has filed seven lawsuits and he's still being held in detention.

EDIT: We know he says he was tortured. The article doesn't say whether there is any physical evidence of torture.

If the story is correct, he was picked up on immigration violation and does not wish to go back to Iran. What do you do with him?

Cook him.

The article does seem to be somewhat murky for lack of details. The only thing I can gather for sure is that he was tortured, he has filed seven lawsuits and he's still being held in detention.

I would think that the issue of torture is yet to be proven as well. If he has filed seven lawsuits, he is not exactly in the Tower of London and the situation could well be less than he claims as well as worse than we would like to see. Deportation would seem to be the ultimate solution but to where?

Does he have an asylum case pending?

Cook him.

From the git-go, the word "torture" has been over-worked. It has just been a grab-bag of generalizations (at best). How has any of these detainees been "tortured?" Be specific.
The only torture I'm aware of has been toward Americans without heads or hanging unside down from bridges.

I would think that the issue of torture is yet to be proven as well. If he has filed seven lawsuits, he is not exactly in the Tower of London and the situation could well be less than he claims as well as worse than we would like to see. Deportation would seem to be the ultimate solution but to where?


We don't know if he was tortured or not.

He says he doesn't want to go back to Iran but we don't know from the article if he has an asylum case pending. If it's determined he should be deported then the answer to the where question is easy.

From the git-go, the word "torture" has been over-worked. It has just been a grab-bag of generalizations (at best). How has any of these detainees been "tortured?" Be specific.
The only torture I'm aware of has been toward Americans without heads or hanging unside down from bridges.


"The staff at the jail where he was first held "poured hot coffee on my body, they also poured cold ice water on my body," he wrote in one, claiming that staffers also cuffed his hands and feet, which caused "my ankle and lower extremities to swell abnormally."

"It is my firm belief that I am constantly subjected to physical abuse (because) of my ethnicity, I am Iranian of Persian birth," he wrote in another, filed this summer. In that lawsuit he claimed that immigration officers forced him to kneel while handcuffed, and then kicked and punched his stomach and kidneys.

"As you can imagine, this is very, very painful when you are cuffed from behind," he wrote."

If this is in fact true it is torture.

From the git-go, the word "torture" has been over-worked. It has just been a grab-bag of generalizations (at best). How has any of these detainees been "tortured?" Be specific.
The only torture I'm aware of has been toward Americans without heads or hanging unside down from bridges.

Jeez, if you don't want to cook him, then at least slingshot his ass over the wall.

Cook him.


How would you like your Persian cooked, Sir?

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How would you like your Persian cooked, Sir?

Poached with some curried rice, please.

The only torture I'm aware of has been toward Americans without heads or hanging unside down from bridges.

While you may in fact be unaware, Americans are not the only sort of people who've been tortured and or murdered and your comment is a red herring.

-- Two wrongs don't make a right.

Poached with some curried rice, please.


Hmmmm... I just made poached eggs over some Peruvian style chimichurri rice with organically grown heirloom tomato slices for brunch.

Hmmmm... I just made poached eggs over some Peruvian style chimichurri rice with organically grown heirloom tomato slices for brunch.


Mmmmm... that sounds good. I haven't had a good tomato since I grew them about 5 years ago. :(

If this is in fact true it is torture.

If, if, if..... Kipling was right.
Does this detainee still have his head? Are there any photos of his corpse hanging upside down from a bridge. Was he on the Bataan death march?
You wanna talk torture; you can't handle torture!
When I was 8, I was "tortured" to eat my lima beans...until they were all gone.
I also got paddled in the second grade.
If this is torture, if this is.....if , if, if.....

If, if, if..... Kipling was right.
Does this detainee still have his head? Are there any photos of his corpse hanging upside down from a bridge. Was he on the Bataan death march?
You wanna talk torture; you can't handle torture!
When I was 8, I was "tortured" to eat my lima beans...until they were all gone.
I also got paddled in the second grade.
If this is torture, if this is.....if , if, if.....


OK... :out:

If, if, if..... Kipling was right.
Does this detainee still have his head? Are there any photos of his corpse hanging upside down from a bridge. Was he on the Bataan death march?
You wanna talk torture; you can't handle torture!
When I was 8, I was "tortured" to eat my lima beans...until they were all gone.
I also got paddled in the second grade.
If this is torture, if this is.....if , if, if.....


Do you have anything more to add to the discussion that the rest of us are having here or are you just here to inject hyperbole and red herrings?

Do you have anything more to add to the discussion that the rest of us are having here or are you just here to inject hyperbole and red herrings?

Using the theology of the "if," moves no thought forward.
Make statements; not abstracts.
When your trucks of thought have run off the tracks,
throw in an "if" or two; but, this doesn't get the trucks back on the tracks.
Or attack the messenger.
There is a group of people on this site that is only happy when they are unhappy.
These are the whining weinies; are you in this group?

Using the theology of the "if," moves no thought forward.
Make statements; not abstracts.
When your trucks of thought have run off the tracks,
throw in an "if" or two; but, this doesn't get the trucks back on the tracks.
Or attack the messenger.
There is a group of people on this site that is only happy when they are unhappy.
These are the whining weinies; are you in this group?

If any help :idea:is needed attempting to understand the above :mad2:, please try hanging upside down from your ceiling, wafting in some heavy incense, and singing Kumbaya at the top of your lungs simultaneously:thumbsup:.

HTH HTH HTH!

If any help :idea:is needed attempting to understand the above :mad2:, please try hanging upside down from your ceiling, wafting in some heavy incense, and singing Kumbaya at the top of your lungs simultaneously:thumbsup:.

HTH HTH HTH!

I've gone for the marshmellows.

Using the theology of the "if," moves no thought forward.
Make statements; not abstracts.
When your trucks of thought have run off the tracks,
throw in an "if" or two; but, this doesn't get the trucks back on the tracks.
Or attack the messenger.
There is a group of people on this site that is only happy when they are unhappy.
These are the whining weinies; are you in this group?


Indeed.

Do you have anything germane to contribute to the discussion or are you just here to inject hyperbole and red herrings?

I've gone for the marshmellows.


Don't forget the scalding hot coffee.

Indeed.

Do you have anything germane to contribute to the discussion or are you just here to inject hyperbole and red herrings?

A web-site only Newton Minnow could love. Were Jacks or better needed to open,
this would be a more barren waste land
(of course, that is in the abstract;
facts are a mirage).
Welcome to 8 card no peekie.

If the story is correct, he was picked up on immigration violation and does not wish to go back to Iran. What do you do with him?

Cast him in the movie : Terminal II

A web-site only Newton Minnow could love. Were Jacks or better needed to open,
this would be a more barren waste land
(of course, that is in the abstract;
facts are a mirage).
Welcome to 8 card no peekie.


Sherwood, I'll consider that answer to be a no.

From the git-go, the word "torture" has been over-worked. It has just been a grab-bag of generalizations (at best). How has any of these detainees been "tortured?" Be specific.
The only torture I'm aware of has been toward Americans without heads or hanging unside down from bridges.

umm...didn't you see those Lyndie England pics?

A web-site only Newton Minnow could love. Were Jacks or better needed to open,
this would be a more barren waste land
(of course, that is in the abstract;
facts are a mirage).
Welcome to 8 card no peekie.

So when are you signing up? We need more fodder...aherm...good men in Iraq...nearly 3000 soldiers dead now. Get over there and do your part. I'm sure some of those secret prisons need people like you.

So when are you signing up? We need more fodder...aherm...good men in Iraq...nearly 3000 soldiers dead now. Get over there and do your part. I'm sure some of those secret prisons need people like you.


Only if they have Old Country Buffet.

-- ...but I digress.

umm...didn't you see those Lyndie England pics?

That wasn't torture; that was a little bit of sexed up Twister and Spin The Bottle on a Saturday night.

Using the theology of the "if," moves no thought forward.
There is a group of people on this site that is only happy when they are unhappy.
These are the whining weinies; are you in this group?

I think I just found one.

BTW, the word "if" can be used to note that these are statements that the jury is still out on. It helps the reader seperate the comments that the author feels are useful from the ones that he/she feels are not that useful, but may later be useful once the status of "if" has been removed. It's a way of recognizing a possibility without giving it more credit than it deserves.

Therefore, I agree, "if" moves no thought forward, but that does not make it useless. It was not designed to move thought forward, nor are alot of other words that are useful in making a point.