What's your thought?

From Velonews

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/11070.0.html

What's your thought?
I think you shouldn't steal other people's work and use it yourself. A small pull quote and a link would have been just as effective and given velonews.com the hits they were entitled to.

I think you shouldn't steal other people's work and use it yourself. A small pull quote and a link would have been just as effective and given velonews.com the hits they were entitled to.


LOL, what a grouch.

I think you shouldn't steal other people's work and use it yourself. A small pull quote and a link would have been just as effective and given velonews.com the hits they were entitled to.

the OP added "<b>From Velonews</b>". that's plenty. why would velonews want "hits" anyways? unless you're planning on reading the article and then clicking through their ad links it's just wasted bandwidth.

the OP added "From Velonews". that's plenty. why would velonews want "hits" anyways? unless you're planning on reading the article and then clicking through their ad links it's just wasted bandwidth.

While I agree that "from velonews" is enough, why would they want hits? Ad revenue.

I think you shouldn't steal other people's work and use it yourself. A small pull quote and a link would have been just as effective and given velonews.com the hits they were entitled to.

Chill out dude, the OP said it was from Velonews. There's ton of poster who copy and paste from other links and I bet you've done it yourself. Works better this way for people who doesn't have a fast computer.

BTW- I think TH did his time now let him race. However, I respect Millar more than I could ever for TH. Here in Boulder, everybody loves him just like San Francisco loves Bond. I'm not part of that stat.

There's ton of poster who copy and paste from other links and I bet you've done it yourself. Works better this way for people who doesn't have a fast computer.
There's ton of people who break into houses and steal people's belonging, that doesn't mean it's right even though it's certainly an easier way for them to get money than actually earn it working. Of course, I've never cut an entire article and posted it, just like I've never grabbed an old lady's purse for her welfare check.

I'm with asgelle, excerpt and a link is all that's needed here and avoids theft of Velonews' intellectual property and diminution of its ad revenues.

There's ton of people who break into houses and steal people's belonging, that doesn't mean it's right even though it's certainly an easier way for them to get money than actually earn it working. Of course, I've never cut an entire article and posted it, just like I've never grabbed an old lady's purse for her welfare check.

Do hear burglary bragging "I stole it from a house"? If he did, at least sighted his where he got it from. So now everytime a professer sight his sources on his/her resources your going to accuse him/her of stealing. Everytime an author footnotes his sources your going to accuse him of stealing. Evertime a Espn or Velonews say's from "associated press" you're going to accuss them of stealing. Here's a fine example from Velonews

"Saturday's EuroFile: Ullrich the Austrian? Boonen won't drive.
By Agence France Presse
This report filed October 21, 2006
The Austrian cycling federation is prepared to help former Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich, currently under investigation for doping, by issuing him with a professional license.

Did you noticed Velonews says "By Agence France Presse"

Let me know when you're going to start calling Velonews a thief. Also, I don't see Velonews adding a link so that Agence France Presse can get there hits.

Do hear burglary bragging "I stole it from a house"? If he did, at least sighted his where he got it from. So now everytime a professer sight his sources on his/her resources your going to accuse him/her of stealing. Everytime an author footnotes his sources your going to accuse him of stealing. Evertime a Espn or Velonews say's from "associated press" you're going to accuss them of stealing. Here's a fine example from Velonews

"Saturday's EuroFile: Ullrich the Austrian? Boonen won't drive.
By Agence France Presse
This report filed October 21, 2006
The Austrian cycling federation is prepared to help former Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich, currently under investigation for doping, by issuing him with a professional license.

Did you noticed Velonews says "By Agence France Presse"

Let me know when you're going to start calling Velonews a thief. Also, I don't see Velonews adding a link so that Agence France Presse can get there hits.The beef is not with citing to a source nor with reporting in your own original language the fact that is reported, both of which are appropriate, but with copying the source's article wholesale, which is a copyright violation. Velonews attributed the story to its source, but didn't copy the report in its entirety. The former is OK, the latter is theft (unless you've paid for the privilege of copying).

the OP added "<b>From Velonews</b>". that's plenty. why would velonews want "hits" anyways? unless you're planning on reading the article and then clicking through their ad links it's just wasted bandwidth.

Actually most website with ad space make revenue from impressions (page loads) so yes they would want the hits they are more than set up for the bandwidth, they provided content to draw viewers and that makes it possible to sell ad space. Lifting entire sections of content from a site is actually aginst the copywrite laws (most of which say that the content can't reproduced with out permission) so even siting the source is not tech enough.

Actually most website with ad space make revenue from impressions (page loads) so yes they would want the hits they are more than set up for the bandwidth, they provided content to draw viewers and that makes it possible to sell ad space. Lifting entire sections of content from a site is actually aginst the copywrite laws (most of which say that the content can't reproduced with out permission) so even siting the source is not tech enough.

fair enough, Im sure you're right that they'd take the slight bump in traffic over reduced bandwidth. I don't think vn.com probably loses alot of sleep over people cut and pasting their articles onto webforums though. back on topic, Im happy to see tyler find a ride. looking at cyclingnews.com, it doesn't <a href="http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/oct06/oct21news">look</a> like mcquaid shares my enthusiasm though.
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The beef is not with citing to a source nor with reporting in your own original language the fact that is reported, both of which are appropriate, but with copying the source's article wholesale, which is a copyright violation. Velonews attributed the story to its source, but didn't copy the report in its entirety. The former is OK, the latter is theft (unless you've paid for the privilege of copying).

I admit I'm not an expert in copyright violation but it's clear to me that the OP wasn't trying to steal, getting credit, or make $$ from cuting and pasting the Velonews. The OP cited the source and that's enough. Asgelle is, as Wipeout says, a grouch.

I think you shouldn't steal other people's work and use it yourself. A small pull quote and a link would have been just as effective and given velonews.com the hits they were entitled to.

Obviously you can’t read. I cited my source from Velonews and copied and paste their article like a lot of other posters do. Thanks everyone for your defense, it’s pretty evidence Assgelle is a Grouch.

Obviously you can’t read. I cited my source from Velonews and copied and paste their article like a lot of other posters do. Thanks everyone for your defense, it’s pretty evidence Assgelle is a Grouch.


The upshot is you had no right to reproduce the article citing the source and providing a link is the correct option. Your in the wrong here.

The upshot is you had no right to reproduce the article citing the source and providing a link is the correct option. Your in the wrong here.

I understand that technically i didn't follow all the copyright rules here but I did the best i can to try not violate any copyright regulation. I use this technique, copy, pasting, and citing sources, base on what i learn here in RBR. Asgelle acuse me of stealing but the fact the matter is, i cited the my souce proves that i wasn't stealing anything nor trying to make any money or better yet get credit for it. I will edit the my original post so that we can go back to main topic. Jeez

What's your thought on TH back in racing? Peace!

I understand that technically i didn't follow all the copyright rules here but I did the best i can to try not violate any copyright regulation. I use this technique, copy, pasting, and citing sources, base on what i learn here in RBR. Asgelle acuse me of stealing but the fact the matter is, i cited the my souce proves that i wasn't stealing anything nor trying to make any money or better yet get credit for it. I will edit the my original post so that we can go back to main topic. Jeez

What's your thought on TH back in racing? Peace!

Fair enough we did go massively off topic.

My thoughts on Hamilton racing:
He did his time and according to the rules he shoud be allowed to race. I do wish the UCI would follow their own rules and not try and use ittemidation tactics to keep riders they have issues with off teams.

I'm with asgelle, excerpt and a link is all that's needed here and avoids theft of Velonews' intellectual property and diminution of its ad revenues.


when velonews decides to trash all its old news, at least this thread will still be good.

that happens with alot of websites - news articles dissappear after a couple days.

The upshot is you had no right to reproduce the article citing the source and providing a link is the correct option. Your in the wrong here.

Everybody is not that well informed.

Asgelle was being an outright aggressive schmock.

Everybody is not that well informed.

Asgelle was being an outright aggressive schmock.

Ditto.

I think you shouldn't steal other people's work and use it yourself. A small pull quote and a link would have been just as effective and given velonews.com the hits they were entitled to.

Asgelle, you better give this guy http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=77018 a ticket for copyright violation.